Author Topic: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86  (Read 23427 times)

Offline kitnut617

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #60 on: March 26, 2016, 04:00:10 AM »
Thanks Greg, Jeff ---

OK I've got all the planning done so all that is left is to glue all the sub-assemblies together and then tidy up some parts.

Here's a few pics of how it would look in flight, although after these pics it will be finished and displayed with the slats, flaps and undercarriage all extended.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2016, 04:01:42 AM by kitnut617 »

Offline FAAMAN

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #61 on: March 26, 2016, 06:10:18 AM »
Very believable Kitnut 8) :)
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Offline kitnut617

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2016, 06:48:12 AM »
Thanks mate!

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #63 on: March 26, 2016, 11:08:53 AM »
Is cool that you even thought of this design and cooler that its coming together. 8)
Can mental picture 1950ish in blue flying from Midway class.

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #64 on: March 26, 2016, 01:24:03 PM »
Indeed! And good save ... if parts must be trodden upon let it be something you have spares of  :o
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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #65 on: March 26, 2016, 02:00:56 PM »
Wonderful! :-* do you hear my clapping hands as far as your own country?

Offline kitnut617

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #66 on: March 26, 2016, 11:10:39 PM »
Thanks guys, appreciate the comments

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Offline kitnut617

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2016, 11:40:27 PM »
Is cool that you even thought of this design and cooler that its coming together. 8)
Can mental picture 1950ish in blue flying from Midway class.


I spent a lot of time thinking about what scheme to do it in, the story will go that the USN needed a jet night-fighter as quickly as possible and North American's response was a jet version of their F-82.  However, the Navy rejected it as being a bit too big for their carriers although the possibility of the Marines using it land based was kept in mind.  But also attending the prototype's flying demonstration were officers from the USAAF (soon to be renamed USAF) who were a bit alarmed that the aircraft had just made their premium night-fighter totally obsolete. A month or so after the event the now USAF, ordered the type in large numbers without all the Navy equipment. 

Which put North American in a bit of a spot, as they were max'ed out at their existing production plants.  Coincidently, some RCAF officers were also in attendance at the flying demonstration and they had reported back to their superiors about the performance of the new aircraft, the upshot being, the Canadian Government of the time contacting North American about the possible purchase of a similar aircraft to what the USAF wanted.

An agreement was made that with Government help, a production line would be set up in Canada, and Canadair (which had ex-Canadian Vickers management people) was chosen to be the production center.  But just as the line was set up and had built it's first aircraft, the USAF cancelled their order because more advanced aircraft were being built (and flown).  The Canadian Government were a bit miffed about the outcome and to save face over the expenditure of much need funds wasted, decided to buy the aircraft parts that had been produced so far and finish them for the RCAF. 

As a result, the aircraft went into service not long after and after an extensive test program, were issued to squadron service where they were used to patrol the far northern border.  They were constantly upgraded, until the final version became as is shown below.

So my project will end up looking like this;

http://www.canmilair.com/products.asp?cat=63&pg=29

and I have my decals for it already which have different serial numbers to these.

Offline FAAMAN

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #68 on: March 27, 2016, 06:47:55 AM »
Love the convoluted 'real world' thinking behind the build, very authentic indeed!! :) ;)
This should look great! :)  :D
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Offline kitnut617

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #69 on: March 31, 2016, 09:43:10 AM »
Thanks FAAMAN,

anyway, got the fuselages and wing center sections glued together now.  And I trial fitted the undercarriage to see what the result was.  I had to add a small bit of lead to get it to sit on it's quad-gear.

So here's a pic of it on it's wheels for the first time, I've just temporarily mounted the slats too just to see how it looks.  There's more clearance under the pod than what the F-82 has in it's take-off attitude, and the large tanks are well clear too.

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #70 on: March 31, 2016, 12:20:13 PM »
Hurrah! :-*

Offline kitnut617

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #71 on: April 02, 2016, 10:32:41 PM »
Couple more comparison pics

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #72 on: April 03, 2016, 12:08:49 AM »
Oh, yeah!  That looks real nice.

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #73 on: April 03, 2016, 12:10:36 AM »
Yeah baby!!!
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Offline finsrin

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #74 on: April 03, 2016, 12:23:41 AM »
Enjoyed the comparison pictures.  They add to appreciation of both builds. 
Seen with F-82, really does look like next logical RW step forward in capability.