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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2016, 08:17:23 AM »
Thanks Guys ---

Frank3k, some good ideas there. Having another look at it though, if I move the drop tanks I want to put on it to the middle of the outer wing, or line the center of them where the flaps and ailerons join, I think I can get two AIM-4's between the tanks and the fuselages. I'll play around with it a bit before I decide.

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #51 on: March 06, 2016, 07:38:13 AM »
OK, two AIM-4's per outer wing is quite possible by moving the drop tank a bit further out along the wing.

Undercarriage has been sorted out, I wanted to "hand" the front wheel so the non-leg side faced outward on both sides, and I needed some better wheels for the main gear because of the extra weight I think this thing will have (if it was real that is   ;)  )

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #52 on: March 06, 2016, 01:16:35 PM »
the extra weight I think this thing will have (if it was real that is   ;)  )
It will be real, solid, not a dream anymore... ;)

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #53 on: March 13, 2016, 05:08:00 AM »
Here's the result of the fin extension I wanted to do (top pic). I used the top half off my abandoned Beechnut P-51H to do this.

Next pic is of the kit canopy on the fuselage. I had to do some filing of the bottom edge to try to get it to fit but it's still not great.

The last pic is of the Falcon canopy and as I said earlier, it does not fit the kit fuselage as it is out-of-the-box. The canopy is design to fit the Pegasus, Merlin or RarePlane kits.  I had to do quite a bit of re-work to the cockpit opening and also a slight bit of re-profiling to the fuselage nose to get it to fit

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #54 on: March 13, 2016, 06:56:45 AM »
Nice work  :)
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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #55 on: March 13, 2016, 11:03:41 PM »
Congratulations! When I grow adult, I plan to buy a million Twin-Sabres scale 1... ;) (with taxpayers' money, this is easy)

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #56 on: March 14, 2016, 02:57:59 AM »
I plan to buy a million Twin-Sabres scale 1... ;) (with taxpayers' money, this is easy)

You'll start another revolution Tophe    ;D ;D ;D

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #57 on: March 24, 2016, 07:34:51 AM »
bit of an update

Trimmed the FJ-1 tail-planes so they are same length as a P-51D (top pic)

Pic of a P-51D, P-51H and FJ-1 tail planes to show comparison (second pic)

Trial fit up of the 'big' drop tank I'm going with under the wings, it's a 460 USGal tank which comes in the Airfix A-26 Invader kit. (third pic)

Lastly, I dropped the model but managed to catch it as it bounced off my chair and before it hit the ground. However the loose bits went flying and while looking around for them on the floor, trod on my vac canopy. It got squashed flat and although I managed to pop it back out, there's a huge crease right across the middle of it from side to side.  Luckily I've got three others as spares. (bottom Pic)

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #58 on: March 24, 2016, 08:17:02 AM »
A sacrifice had to be made to the modelling deities in order to see this project through to completion. 

Fortunately you do have the three (now two) spare canopies.  :)
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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #59 on: March 25, 2016, 03:36:46 AM »
Looking good
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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #60 on: March 26, 2016, 04:00:10 AM »
Thanks Greg, Jeff ---

OK I've got all the planning done so all that is left is to glue all the sub-assemblies together and then tidy up some parts.

Here's a few pics of how it would look in flight, although after these pics it will be finished and displayed with the slats, flaps and undercarriage all extended.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2016, 04:01:42 AM by kitnut617 »

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #61 on: March 26, 2016, 06:10:18 AM »
Very believable Kitnut 8) :)
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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2016, 06:48:12 AM »
Thanks mate!

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #63 on: March 26, 2016, 11:08:53 AM »
Is cool that you even thought of this design and cooler that its coming together. 8)
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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #64 on: March 26, 2016, 01:24:03 PM »
Indeed! And good save ... if parts must be trodden upon let it be something you have spares of  :o
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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #65 on: March 26, 2016, 02:00:56 PM »
Wonderful! :-* do you hear my clapping hands as far as your own country?

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #66 on: March 26, 2016, 11:10:39 PM »
Thanks guys, appreciate the comments

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2016, 11:40:27 PM »
Is cool that you even thought of this design and cooler that its coming together. 8)
Can mental picture 1950ish in blue flying from Midway class.


I spent a lot of time thinking about what scheme to do it in, the story will go that the USN needed a jet night-fighter as quickly as possible and North American's response was a jet version of their F-82.  However, the Navy rejected it as being a bit too big for their carriers although the possibility of the Marines using it land based was kept in mind.  But also attending the prototype's flying demonstration were officers from the USAAF (soon to be renamed USAF) who were a bit alarmed that the aircraft had just made their premium night-fighter totally obsolete. A month or so after the event the now USAF, ordered the type in large numbers without all the Navy equipment. 

Which put North American in a bit of a spot, as they were max'ed out at their existing production plants.  Coincidently, some RCAF officers were also in attendance at the flying demonstration and they had reported back to their superiors about the performance of the new aircraft, the upshot being, the Canadian Government of the time contacting North American about the possible purchase of a similar aircraft to what the USAF wanted.

An agreement was made that with Government help, a production line would be set up in Canada, and Canadair (which had ex-Canadian Vickers management people) was chosen to be the production center.  But just as the line was set up and had built it's first aircraft, the USAF cancelled their order because more advanced aircraft were being built (and flown).  The Canadian Government were a bit miffed about the outcome and to save face over the expenditure of much need funds wasted, decided to buy the aircraft parts that had been produced so far and finish them for the RCAF. 

As a result, the aircraft went into service not long after and after an extensive test program, were issued to squadron service where they were used to patrol the far northern border.  They were constantly upgraded, until the final version became as is shown below.

So my project will end up looking like this;

http://www.canmilair.com/products.asp?cat=63&pg=29

and I have my decals for it already which have different serial numbers to these.

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #68 on: March 27, 2016, 06:47:55 AM »
Love the convoluted 'real world' thinking behind the build, very authentic indeed!! :) ;)
This should look great! :)  :D
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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #69 on: March 31, 2016, 09:43:10 AM »
Thanks FAAMAN,

anyway, got the fuselages and wing center sections glued together now.  And I trial fitted the undercarriage to see what the result was.  I had to add a small bit of lead to get it to sit on it's quad-gear.

So here's a pic of it on it's wheels for the first time, I've just temporarily mounted the slats too just to see how it looks.  There's more clearance under the pod than what the F-82 has in it's take-off attitude, and the large tanks are well clear too.

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #70 on: March 31, 2016, 12:20:13 PM »
Hurrah! :-*

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #71 on: April 02, 2016, 10:32:41 PM »
Couple more comparison pics

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #72 on: April 03, 2016, 12:08:49 AM »
Oh, yeah!  That looks real nice.

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #73 on: April 03, 2016, 12:10:36 AM »
Yeah baby!!!
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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #74 on: April 03, 2016, 12:23:41 AM »
Enjoyed the comparison pictures.  They add to appreciation of both builds. 
Seen with F-82, really does look like next logical RW step forward in capability.