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Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #435 on: May 28, 2018, 03:29:14 AM »
If memory serves me correctly, Orange Hobby did one in 1/72.

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Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #436 on: May 28, 2018, 06:02:48 AM »
Anyone know when the F-35C will be available in kit form?   
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Thanks Greg, don't know how or why I missed that.  Have to keep an eye out for that kit at a decent price.  Already have he A and B models and neither kit really does much for boosting my enthusiasm for the subject.    :))
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Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #437 on: May 28, 2018, 08:46:36 AM »
I'll need to research the kits, but I want to do a nominal "F-35D" (D for Dual Refueling Modes), basically a F-35A with the addition of the refueling probe installation from the F-35B and -35C to allow refueling from any tanker out there.  It would look good in the markings of users who otherwise use only probe and drogue refueling but who don't need the extra goodies of the F-35B or F-35C and don't want to buy boom-equipped tankers.

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Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #438 on: May 28, 2018, 05:58:07 PM »
Anyone know when the F-35C will be available in kit form?   
Errr...already:


Thanks Greg, don't know how or why I missed that.  Have to keep an eye out for that kit at a decent price.  Already have he A and B models and neither kit really does much for boosting my enthusiasm for the subject.    :))

I got the Kitty Hawk 1/48 F-35B ---- I'm not to impressed with all the massive ""raised"" panel tape lines, it's worse than the Italeri 1/72 kit.

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Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #439 on: May 29, 2018, 01:47:00 AM »
I got the Kitty Hawk 1/48 F-35B ---- I'm not to impressed with all the massive ""raised"" panel tape lines, it's worse than the Italeri 1/72 kit.
The F-35A kit has the same features.  Almost makes the old Panda kit look like the better choice :)
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Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #440 on: June 24, 2018, 03:56:00 AM »
Random idea:  F-35 in Aggressor scheme.
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Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #441 on: June 24, 2018, 05:59:29 AM »
Even better idea: QF-35 with orange panels on the wings and tail...
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Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #442 on: June 25, 2018, 12:37:07 AM »
That works too... ;)
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Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #443 on: July 12, 2018, 02:58:07 AM »
Extend the wing of the F-35C, turn it into a UAV as a dedicated Reecebird for the USN, IDF.
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Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #444 on: July 23, 2018, 10:20:28 AM »
The F-35 general arrangement is very similar to one of GD's LWF/ADF proposed layouts (Upper left here).  In fact, if it won instead of the F-16 arrangement we know today, the F-35 might be considered a "silent eagle" LO version!  (Although since it's much fatter it would only passingly resemble it and in reality be a completely different aircraft, kind of like Superhornet vs Hornet)



Quick reference comparison between F-35A and F-16C Block 50 (quick wiki)

F-35A Length/Wingspan: 15.67m / 10.7m
F-16C Length/Wingspan: 15.06m / 9.96m

F-35 Empty Weight: 29,000 lbs
F-16C Empty Weight: 18,900 lbs

F-35 Internal Fuel: 18,498 lbs
F-16C Internal Fuel: 7,000 lbs
 
F-35 Thrust (Dry/AB): 28,000 lbf / 43,000 lbf
F-16C Thrust (Dry/AB): 17,155 lbf / 28,600 lbf

The F-35 is nearly the same length and span, but carries ~2.5 times the internal fuel (plus room for ordnance) making it very thick and ~10,000 pounds heavier empty, completely negating the advantage of the significantly better engine.  This is akin to the military obtaining new lightweight gear to shave 10 pounds off a soldier's load, only to go ahead and add 11 pounds worth of other crap.  It's little wonder it's a dog, but it's defended by those saying it's system oriented rather than performance oriented (like the F-22).  The US can get away with this and just say the F-22 will always support operations, but some nations are intending to use these as their primary combat aircraft, so it would be nice if it could perform.

IMO, a more conservative approach with a reduced internal fuel load requirement  of 11,000 lbs (equivalent to F-16C with CFT, plus 10% to help offset the difference in SFC) would allow for a lighter (even when considering the naval requirements) less draggy airframe, and if you kept the 2D thrust vectoring of the F119 when designing the derivative you'd end up with an aircraft that can deliver 2x PGMs like the F-35, but generally outfight other 4 / 4.5 gen aircraft.   You'd be a bit heavier empty than an F-16 with CFTs, but would be cleaner and have a much better T:W.  The end result would be better instantaneous turn rate / nose pointing (with the ability to more rapidly regain lost energy), as well as superior sustained turn rate.

To compensate for the reduction of internal fuel,  plan for LO drop-tank assemblies under the wings as options (2x 4,000 lbs or so) that, when jettisoned, takes the pylons with it.  This would surpass the F-35A's internal fuel, but likely not much extra range since the arrangement is draggier.

I found a picture with a rough idea of what this could look like (guess from some video game fantasy...)



Keep EOTS as a combined IRST / targeting pod, but get rid of the rest of the DAS and revolutionary systems (KISS), just a basic matured HMD.








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Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #445 on: July 23, 2018, 11:43:41 AM »
Yep, here's a photo comparison of my two models

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Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #446 on: July 23, 2018, 12:40:19 PM »
Actually, DAS is worth keeping as it has matured considerably.  I think I'd also want to keep the MADL system with all the antennas (antennae?) because that greatly eases stealthy communication.

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Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #447 on: July 23, 2018, 06:06:24 PM »
F-35 a dog? No one who flies it seems to think so.