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Title: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 05, 2012, 07:22:19 PM
Hi folks,

A thread dedicated to your Lockheed Martin F-35 ideas and inspiration.

To start, something silly:  Since it seems the only kit of the aircraft in 1/48 are various iterations of the PANDA MODELS kit.

(http://www.modelworld10.it/images/uploads/PANDA%2048003-1.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TGS61dlat8U/TPi0SBWWkdI/AAAAAAAADGg/jR009Fzyze8/s1600/02+Panda+F-35K.jpg)(http://www.kitreview.com/reviews/images/f35previewcm_1.jpg)

How about an F-35 in a "panda" scheme.

(http://www.konicaminolta.com/kids/endangered_animals/library/field/img/g-panda_img01-l.jpg)


Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 05, 2012, 07:22:57 PM
Speaking of F-35 Whiffs, here's one straight out of the box:

(http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm425/yesfan62/IMG_3743.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Stargazer2006 on January 05, 2012, 07:52:30 PM
Here's the Lockheed Martin YF-45A Starbolt, a small fighter derived from the F-35...

(http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/081/3/3/lockheed_martin_f_45_starbolt_by_bispro-d3c7g5h.jpg)


And here is the QF-35D, an unmanned variant of the basic F-35.

(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/176/3/2/Lockheed_Martin_QF_35D_UCAV_by_Bispro.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 07, 2012, 10:45:18 AM
F-22 style fins:

(http://www.fas.org/man//dod-101/sys/ac/jsf-rn.jpg)

(http://f00.inventorspot.com/images/jsf200c.img_assist_custom.jpg)

Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 07, 2012, 11:49:38 AM
I like that kind of subtle change - would have people scratching their heads knowing something was wrong, but not quite sure just what...
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on January 08, 2012, 01:12:42 PM
The QF-35 isn't that far off.   Replace the cockpit with another equipment bay and that pain of a canopy with an access panel and you've got it.  The "pilot's associate" that's part of the baseline design takes it lot closer to a UCAV than most designs are.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on January 09, 2012, 08:41:44 AM
A F-35A derivative that could be done in RL if there was demand would have either dual mode flying boom or probe and drogue in-flight refueling capability or just probe and drogue for those nations without flying boom tankers.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChrisF on January 10, 2012, 12:22:24 AM
I was considering a "Panda" scheme for something in my stash.... A permanant winter scheme basically, When i get around to it... Possibly sometime in the next ten years i still might :D
Title: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: simmie on January 11, 2012, 09:38:03 AM
With the US budget deficite the way it is and the size of cuts being planned, the F-35 is now in very real danger of being culled.

So, who will order what to furfill the outstanding requirements????

For the first suggestion, how about the HAL Tejas for the Fleet Air Arm!?!?!

Any other ideas!???
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: Maverick on January 11, 2012, 10:40:33 AM
(very carefully making comment on the F-35... :icon_ninja:) A year or so ago, Joe (TSR) asked me to do a run of 'alternate F-35' profile options.  These included JAS-39s and F/A-18Es.

Regards,

John
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: elmayerle on January 11, 2012, 12:45:59 PM
(very carefully making comment on the F-35... :icon_ninja:) A year or so ago, Joe (TSR) asked me to do a run of 'alternate F-35' profile options.  These included JAS-39s and F/A-18Es.

Would USAF "Super Bugs" have been on that list?  'Twould seem an obvious approach.  I could also see further F-15 and F-16 developments incorporating appropriate low observables technology (for the F-15, perhaps a step beyond the Silent Eagle) and whatever systems and technology they could from the F-35 (for example, a new block of the F-16 with the F-35's engine and the JIST inlet adapted for production and the requisite airflow).
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 11, 2012, 03:52:07 PM
With the US budget deficite the way it is and the size of cuts being planned, the F-35 is now in very real danger of being culled.

*Real World Mode On* Sorry to disappoint some, but there is absolutely NO chance of the F-35 being culled!  Anyone who seriously thinks this will happen doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.*Real World Mode Off*

Now in the fantasy whiff-verse:

Options to play with, in various iterations:

F/A-18E/F and developments thereof ( see what was offered to India recently)
F-15E and warmed over developments such as the Silent Eagle
Raffle
Typhoon
Su30/35
Su-?? (T-50)
F-16 developments
JAS-39E/F and developments
UCAVs
...

Regards,

Greg


Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on January 11, 2012, 04:34:08 PM
F-18E and F-18F in USAF markings instead of more lawn darts. 
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: Maverick on January 11, 2012, 09:06:17 PM
Evan, I did do a couple of Es and one F Super Bugs in USAF markings but they were for another request.

Greg, one could suggest there have been many times throughout history where 'definite' things haven't happened regardless of all intentions.  Time will tell obviously and I suspect at least the CTOL variants will enter service, but to say definitely is brave.

Regards,

John
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: LemonJello on January 11, 2012, 09:28:19 PM
Odds are in the F-35s favor, since jets are sexy, but you never know. The only thing harder to kill than a jet program is probably a ship program.

Marines will still be riding in the old tuna boats since the EFV got the axe. (no, not bitter about that at all...)
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: tsrjoe on January 11, 2012, 09:46:43 PM
... options looked at by the Finnish Ilmavoimat as probable legacy F.18C/D Hornet replacements were the Saab Gripen NG, Boeing F.18E Super Hornet and Lockheed's F.35A Lightning. The F.35A has been provisionally chosen altho the Russians have recently offered the Indian backed Sukhoi T.50 'Fitbird' for the same unit price as the Lockheed aircraft ! unfortunately a long shot (aka. not a snowballs chance !) but the lure of an F.22 Raptor equivalent coming onto the export market is an interesting development indeed, i know the Finnish delegation which evaluated the proposals came away very impressed !

John prepared some really neat artwork showing the possible contenders in Finnish markings for a little speculative piece i put together for an article on the F.35 decision

hmm, i agree it (probably) wont be cancelled (altho i can foresee a definate reduction in numbers) but  what happens when the F.35C gets delayed now that the UK. has dropped the STOVL. F.35B ? we already have one carrier going straight into mothballs prior to modification as it was planned for the initial type, the second vessel being optimised for the CTOL. carrier version !
Typhoon is a definate nono due to its internal structure not being suitable for carrier type operations, so i guess the possibility is either the F.18E Super Hornet or Dassault Rafale M as interim (or replacement) equipment. The UK. already has pilots on exchange both in the US. and France potentially covering both options

cheers, Joe
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: deathjester on January 12, 2012, 01:00:22 AM

Typhoon is a definate nono due to its internal structure not being suitable for carrier type operations, so i guess the possibility is either the F.18E Super Hornet or Dassault Rafale M as interim (or replacement) equipment. The UK. already has pilots on exchange both in the US. and France potentially covering both options

cheers, Joe
Joe:  I thought I'd read somewhere that the Eurofighter folks had already deisigned a navalised version of the jet?  Is that so?

Greg:  If I'm ever cynical about anything, it's defence procurement!  And I have a sneaking suspicion that, what with loads of countries paying towards the development costs of the jet, the unit price will strangely end up being too high for anyone but the USA to afford...
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: tsrjoe on January 12, 2012, 01:32:54 AM
... as far as im led to understand there were feasibility studies carried out a few years back and again recently (re an Indian Navy requirement) a few drawings of a proposed revised undercarriage arrangement have been posted online from the original study, there was also a neat painting from AVPRO showing a naval Typhoon with arrestor hook and twin nosewheels widely circulated at the time of the go ahead for the new Royal Navy CVF.
From a colleague working on the type, Typhoon itself would have to be redesigned completely to take the stresses of an arrested landing as normal practice. The Dassault Rafale was designed from the outset with a 'keel' giving a very stong longitudinal structure wheras the Typhoon's strength is laterally, and when originally proposed there was no need for a naval mission requirement so was never seen as an issue

Its interesting to note the F.35C has had recent problems re arrested landings, the whole mounting having to be resited aft as the previous position was deemed unsuitable, unfortunately again this will probably encrue further strengthening in the resited area to cope with increased airframe stresses

cheers, Joe
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: deathjester on January 12, 2012, 02:01:50 AM
Ah, cheers mate - I thought I'd heard about that somewhere - though the article never mentoned 'complete redesign'!

Have to say, the Rafale is a beautiful, highly capable jet - I think it would be an excellent choice for the FAA.

Alternatively, both the Aussies and the Canadians, our Commonwealth partners, and not least the US Forces, use F-18 variants, so would it be better for us to maintain commonality with our 'main allies'?
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: jcf on January 12, 2012, 03:11:15 AM
Anything other than a French Rafale is about to become a permanent what-if as the
French government is ready to pull the plug on the production line. Evidently they
are tired of keeping the program going only for Dassault's benefit. So Dassault
better make an overseas sale PDQ.

One wonders if the Rafale is the aviation equivalent of the Citroen DS:
fun to drive
great to look at
technically and technologically advanced
reliable engine

an absolute nightmare to maintain and operate on a regular basis
expensive to own (see above)
 ;D
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 12, 2012, 03:49:30 AM
Yep, the last chance for the Rafale is the current Indian contest.  I suspect that it will go th the Typhoon though.

Based upon my own experience (and those of colleagues) I would definitely back up the nightmare to maintain issue too.  Not trying to sound anti-French (it is after all, a beautiful design, like many of theirs), but the sustainment support from French companies has left an awful lot to be desired when compared to some of their US competitors.
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: Pellson on January 12, 2012, 03:55:51 AM
I'd place my money on a russian machine for India.  ;)
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 12, 2012, 04:07:38 AM
Already rejected.  The competition is down to either the Rafale or Typhoon.
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: Stargazer2006 on January 12, 2012, 04:15:37 AM
Just for the fun of it...

(http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/304/3/3/u_s_navy_dassault_f_28a_rafale_by_bispro-d31w6rs.jpg)
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 12, 2012, 04:26:30 AM
We all know i am very pro F-35 and Greg and I are in the same mode. I am not going to get too "real world" on the F-35 (that's for another for another time)  :icon_music:

...But I will say, we need to think "more outside the box!!" We aren't being whiffy enough about this! Stop worrying about more of the same old Super bugs with USAF instead of USN. Lets think "new design" because if the F-35 gets canceled, its need for 21st century missions still exists.

Its going to need to be stealthy and with advanced sensors.

Redoing or rehashing a teen fighter means serious expense and development to the point that you might as well start anew.

(http://26.media.tumblr.com/NAJN8JTZ6meczls1HA2UruzSo1_r1_500.jpg)

(http://www.kempart.com/sgallery/concept/pics/wordup.jpg)
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: Paul Wagner on January 12, 2012, 11:23:05 AM
Alternatively, both the Aussies and the Canadians, our Commonwealth partners, and not least the US Forces, use F-18 variants, so would it be better for us to maintain commonality with our 'main allies'?

Nope, you should get the best plane regardless of compatibility. Who knows what the world will look like in 20 years? Who your (useful) allies will be? Interoperability might be a consideration, but not a determining factor....

...so for us I'd go for the Typhoon over more Hornets. It's just reaching full development in regards to strike capability, BAe has done a lot of work on a possible carrier variant (again, for when/if the F35 gets cancelled) with increased range and tougher landing gear (good for us), and given Europe's financial woes, we could negotiate a really good price....

BTW, history shows us anything can get cancelled - another financial crash could send the US into a deep depression, or a change in Government (Ron Paul for President?!?!), or really bad publicity (like an F35 falling out of the sky)... anything can happen...!

Paul
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 12, 2012, 12:04:02 PM

...so for us I'd go for the Typhoon over more Hornets. It's just reaching full development in regards to strike capability, BAe has done a lot of work on a possible carrier variant (again, for when/if the F35 gets cancelled) with increased range and tougher landing gear (good for us), and given Europe's financial woes, we could negotiate a really good price....


But The Hornet does already have strike capability, carrier capability, and I would hazard a guess and say stronger airframe and landing gear to land on ships in the first place. Not trying to nitpick just pointing out that all the stuff the typhoon might get "someday" the Hornet has already.

BTW the latest defense review in the US are showing even more reliance on the F-35 and selling it to allies. The F-35 is getting more and more bulletproof everyday. just sayin'
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: Doom! on January 12, 2012, 12:09:43 PM


([url]http://www.kempart.com/sgallery/concept/pics/wordup.jpg[/url])

I'd sure as heck like to have a dozen or so of whatever the heck this thing is in my stash!
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: sotoolslinger on January 12, 2012, 12:45:34 PM
OH HECK YEAH :-*
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: Paul Wagner on January 12, 2012, 01:23:37 PM
all the stuff the typhoon might get "someday" the Hornet has already.

I suspect the Typhoon is just (half-a-)generation ahead of the Super Hornet, especially in the air-to-air role - but if I were defence minister I'd want a fly-off between them to actually find out for sure. If there wasn't much in it, sure get the Hornets for compatibility reasons, but if the Typhoon was significantly better as an interceptor/air superiority*, that'd trump it for me.

BTW the latest defense review in the US are showing even more reliance on the F-35 and selling it to allies. The F-35 is getting more and more bulletproof everyday. just sayin'

...and speaking personally, I find that utterly horrifying... (still waiting for the "sparring room" to get going on this ;) !)

Paul

* Ah, now I remember why: The outcome of the JOUST Simulation which compared the effectiveness of different aircraft in BVR combat “against an upgraded Su-27 Flanker (comparable to an Su-35 Super Flanker and its equivalents)” resulted in the Rafale achieving an exchange rate of 1 to 1, the F-22 an exchange rate of 10.1 to 1, the Typhoon had an exchange rate of 4.5 to 1, F-16C Falcon 0.3 to 1, F-15C Eagle 0.8 to 1, F-18C Hornet 0.3 to 1, and the F-18+ Super Hornet 0.4 to 1. So, according to this, the Typhoon is better than the Super Hornet
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 12, 2012, 05:47:47 PM
Folks,

I want to keep this discussion civil.  Please keep that in mind in your responses.  Please also try to avoid simply throwing unsupported opinions.  If you don't like the F-35 then fine, just say so - just as I personally don't like the TSR.2 then I also don't expect others to like the F-35.

Most importantly though, focus on providing whiff ideas.  Ben has the right idea in this regard.

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: simmie on January 12, 2012, 07:09:11 PM
When I started this thread I expected the usual Rafale V Typhoon V Hornet thing.

But nobody has  passed comment on the HAL Tejas as an option!!!

The Indian Navy ve4rsin is in flight test, it could be supplied as knockdowns assembled by Bae Systems at warton.  The cockpit and weapon systems would be lifted straight off the Typhoon to simplify the technian training and provide some economies of scale in the spares purchase.

Just putting it out there for discussion.
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: Empty Handed on January 12, 2012, 08:22:32 PM
OK, this could be interesting.

Typhoon cannot be navalised without several billion appearing out of essentially nowhere.

Tejas is at least a generation behind everything else. It has nearly a whole development programme to go.

Rafale has political strings attached (Dassault).

JSF at this rate will enter service when all our (UK) current naval exchange pilots have retired (or died of old age). Tongue only slightly in cheek.

We could have Super Hornet today with AESA, JHMCS, advanced cockpit, a plethora of targeting pods, Growler, the list goes on. Just like I was explaining the Saudi F-15 buy to a friend the other day: Legacy platform, kickass avionics.

I don't pretend to know what's best for the US, Australia et al but I know which option I'd prefer for the UK. Get SH now. Buy JSF when it's mature (that ain't yet).

All IMVHO.

Whiffy option: Taranis successor.



Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 12, 2012, 11:09:05 PM


(http://agent44.com/blog2/wp-content/images/stealth_gripen.jpg)

Stealthy Gripen!

There are few things to keep in mind with Legacy platforms:

1. In order to succeed the JSF has to fail. Legacy planes can't win on merit by themselves, they can only win "by default" if the JSF fails. They are not comparable.

2. They will need a huge amount of avionics upgrades. IT will increase their cost, and their weight. They will need all the sensors and datalinks and other gizmos to do what the JSF would have done. This means whatever legacy platform you were looking at will have to have significant upgrades.

3. Lack of stealth. I guess to conquer this you have to redesign the aircraft (again super expensive) but maybe you can at least do some "small changes" that reduce RCS a little.

4. Technology marches on. The F-22 isn't for sale. And if the F-35 was causing you sticker shock the F-22 will make you go blind! In the mean time Russia and China are developing fifth gen aircraft. so whatever legacy machine you upgrade and spend all that money on is still behind the competition in only about ten years. Legacy aircraft are still only going to be place holders until the "JSF II" can be developed.

So whatever Hornet, Typhoon, HAL, You are looking at is going to be in serious need of a new variant as it is to "hold the line" for a small time until the next fifth gen platform is up.

I am saying all this not to be rude but to kinda get the creative juices flowing. Think about the parameters above and see what you can come up with. I think the E/F/A-18Z could look interesting  8)

Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: Stargazer2006 on January 12, 2012, 11:14:55 PM
Absolute beauty!!! *respect*
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 12, 2012, 11:19:12 PM
(http://www.kempart.com/sgallery/concept/pics/MV-36moneyshot~0.jpg)
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: Stargazer2006 on January 12, 2012, 11:32:56 PM
I've always loved the MV-36 project... I've got several pics on my HD but don't know who did it. Do you know who created it? Was it someone from one of the forums?
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 13, 2012, 02:07:01 AM
Quote
HAL Tejas as an option

First up I will say that I don't like the Tejas - for multiple reasons - yuck!!!! 

Now that's that's out of the way, does anyone actually have a line drawing that could be used for profiles?  I know there isn't a kit available, which does surprise me.

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 13, 2012, 02:09:43 AM
The MV-36 looks like a ageing middle aged F-22 -i.e. it has developed a serious paunch and added a lot of weight, picked up a few tricks along the way and also changed drastically from the original plan... :D
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 13, 2012, 02:40:22 AM
My only acceptable replacement for a F-35:

(http://www.ufo-contact.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/NAVY-UAV.jpeg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on January 13, 2012, 03:35:35 AM
With an aircraft that will be used by more than one service it is often difficult to discern who is driving what vehicle.  My own solution to the problem would be to add external stores pylons that would be peculiar to that branch of service.  In the case of land based air forces using the stores pylons from the F-16 Yard Dart along with the wing mounted fuel tanks that are most often seen on that aircraft.  The same approach would be applied for the carrier based aircraft such as those to be used by the Royal Navy, US Marine Corps, and US Navy where the stores pylons and fuel tanks from the F-18 Hornet/Super Hornet would be used. 

With that mediocre Panda JSF kit you really need to do something other than straight out of the box.  Even the later release with the weapons bays leaves much to be desired.  Of course I will also be adding wing tip mounted missile launch rails :^)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 13, 2012, 04:08:56 AM
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Thursday, January 12, 2012
Marines Take Delivery of F-35B STOVL

The first two Lockheed Martin production model F-35B short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft were delivered to the U.S. Marine Corps on Wednesday, the company announced. The two jets are now assigned to the 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing's Marine Fighter/Attack Training Squadron 501 residing with the host 33d Fighter Wing at Eglin Air Force Base (AFB) in Florida.

The aircraft, known as BF-6 and BF-8, flew separately arriving at 3:13 p.m. and 4:39 p.m. CST, respectively, after their approximate 90 minute ferry flights from Fort Worth, Texas. U.S. Marine Corps Maj. Joseph Bachmann piloted BF-6 while U.S. Marine Corps Lt. Col. Matt Taylor flew BF-8. Both fighters will be used for pilot and maintainer training at the new F-35 Integrated Training Center.

“Today marks the beginning of a new era of advanced capabilities for the U.S. Marine Corps,” said Larry Lawson, Lockheed Martin’s F-35 program executive vice president and general manager. “The F-35B’s versatility, as demonstrated onboard the USS WASP last fall, will revolutionize our nation’s expeditionary combat power in all threat environments by allowing operations from major bases, damaged airstrips, remote locations and a wide range of air-capable ships. This aircraft will give our warfighters the ability to accomplish their mission, wherever and whenever duty calls.”

In October, F-35Bs conducted their first set of ship trials, known as Developmental Test 1, 20 miles off the coast of Wallops Island, Va. During the 19-day testing period, BF-2 and BF-4 conducted 72 vertical landings and short takeoffs, accomplishing all of its test milestones during the mission. For the year, F-35Bs accomplished 333 System Development and Demonstration test flights and 268 vertical landings.
BF-6 and BF-8 are the first two F-35 deliveries to the Department of Defense in 2012 and the seventh and eighth F-35 aircraft delivered to Eglin AFB since July 2011. Previously, six U.S. Air Force F-35A conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL) jets were delivered to the base.




Source (http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/military/Marines-Take-Delivery-of-F-35B-STOVL_75529.html)
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: Paul Wagner on January 13, 2012, 05:59:19 AM
does anyone actually have a line drawing that could be used for profiles?  I know there isn't a kit available, which does surprise me.


A quick google image search throws up a few

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f5/Tejas_3_view.gif (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f5/Tejas_3_view.gif)

http://www.aviationfans.com/images/flca_vl.jpg (http://www.aviationfans.com/images/flca_vl.jpg)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xEPY/TKXOh695jII/AAAAAAAALT8/GVwA37bPjcc/s1600/lca20tejas20topgunchenar4-726756.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xEPY/TKXOh695jII/AAAAAAAALT8/GVwA37bPjcc/s1600/lca20tejas20topgunchenar4-726756.jpg)

Interesting plane. Aesthetically, at least, I do like it - looks like the love child of a Mirage 2000 and and Avro Arrow! Should be pretty zippy!

Paul

Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: Daryl J. on January 13, 2012, 07:00:19 AM
I'm sure it will be some kind of Flying Frito.
That's what replaced the Farley Fruitbat back in the future.   
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: dy031101 on January 13, 2012, 09:12:36 AM
Quote
HAL Tejas as an option

First up I will say that I don't like the Tejas - for multiple reasons - yuck!!!!

Tejas was like, you know, MiG-21/F-5 of the 21st Century (it has none of the Fishbed's aesthetic shortcomings, I'll give 'em that; and IAF could have put the danged thing in service as soon as the flight envelop issues are taken care of and still benefit from the improvement over their MiG-21).  It does fleet air defence and some surface strike with a couple of anti-ship missiles or (unless the Tejas has some really good iron bomb delivery aid, more likely of the precision kind) bombs.  Perfect for a defensive navy like that of India but hardly half of what the Americans want to do with their carrier jets.
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: Litvyak on January 13, 2012, 09:43:53 AM
F-35 is cancelled... order new-build Sopwith Camels made with composites etc. Materials stealth coupled with being too slow for most legacy platforms to engage...
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on January 13, 2012, 09:45:55 AM
Of course I will also be adding wing tip mounted missile launch rails :^)
Well, you'd be better off using the production outboard hardpoints for missiles (as it's intended that way).  The wingtips are aerodynamic and not structural given the differences between the three wings (though I understand that the outboard wing tips of the A and B variants are very similar, the C variant wingtips are bigger and longer).
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: elmayerle on January 13, 2012, 11:24:10 AM
There are some interesting things which could be done with the F-16 combined with systems and other developments of the F-35.  Start with the more extreme variant that was proposed to the UAE (they went with a rather tamer variant), add the F-35's engine and a production version of the F-35 concept inlet tested on the JIST testbed.  Replace the existing Vulcan with the F-35A's gun but retain the larger ammo drum (might as well, be way more expensive to design a smaller one in its place).  Replace the Sparrows in the wells with AMRAAMs, or Meteors, and add IR-guided short range missiles of choice.  Replace the mechanically-scanned radar with an AESA unit (there are several available, including one that uses the same technology as the F-35's radar).  It's not as stealthy unless you use lo weapons pods under the wing (much like those proposed for under the Super Hornet's fuselage) but it's still a decided improvement on what's out there.  With that for the land-based aircraft and some of the interesting additions and upgrades proposed for the Super Hornet, you'd retain a fair edge in conflicts.  Depending on just how far you wanted to go, there's lots that could also be done, beyond the Silent Eagle, to upgrade the F-15 to continue to fight effectively (F-35 engines, anyone?) including wing changes and inlet upgrades to reduce signature.  The F135 engine already builds on the results of the LOAN (Low Observable Axisymmetric Nozzle) experimental program and adding in the vectoring of the AVEN (Axisymmetric Vectoring Exhaust Nozzle) would help there (not as stealthy as the F-22's nozzles but better than most of what's out there - there are some very interesting high-temp L-O finishes out there).
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: Paul Wagner on January 13, 2012, 11:26:22 AM
But nobody has  passed comment on the HAL Tejas as an option!!!

The other obvious one no-one has mentioned - if you can't beat 'em, join 'em and get Flankers! They're rugged and reliable, and remarkably cheap for a big, twin engined plane, so even those of us on a budget could afford lots of them. It has 14 hardpoints to carry a huge load of weapons, lots of range, and is probably more agile than any other fighter on the planet. If you want “commonality” between different roles and forces, it comes in a variety of types including single seat air defence fighter, two-seat multi-role fighter, naval version, two seat dedicated strike jet, and super-agile thrust-vectoring models.

If you can't get a licence to make them yourselves, I'd go for Chinese-made over Russian (who have some, er, quality control issues...), and you could either get just the airframe and engines and put in your own avionics, or just go the whole hog and take them as they are, since most of our electronics come from China anyway...

The other major advantage of getting Flankers is we would then know exactly what potential enemies can do. It creates a level playing field, and given the West is always claiming to have better training and tactics (and I don't doubt it) we'd be pretty secure we'd win any clash.

Paul
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: Stargazer2006 on January 13, 2012, 04:12:57 PM
FLANKER POWAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: tsrjoe on January 13, 2012, 09:05:45 PM
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-16571-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-30.html (http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-16571-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-30.html)
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 14, 2012, 07:17:45 AM
But nobody has  passed comment on the HAL Tejas as an option!!!

The other obvious one no-one has mentioned - if you can't beat 'em, join 'em and get Flankers! They're rugged and reliable, and remarkably cheap for a big, twin engined plane, so even those of us on a budget could afford lots of them. It has 14 hardpoints to carry a huge load of weapons, lots of range, and is probably more agile than any other fighter on the planet. If you want “commonality” between different roles and forces, it comes in a variety of types including single seat air defence fighter, two-seat multi-role fighter, naval version, two seat dedicated strike jet, and super-agile thrust-vectoring models.

If you can't get a licence to make them yourselves, I'd go for Chinese-made over Russian (who have some, er, quality control issues...), and you could either get just the airframe and engines and put in your own avionics, or just go the whole hog and take them as they are, since most of our electronics come from China anyway...

The other major advantage of getting Flankers is we would then know exactly what potential enemies can do. It creates a level playing field, and given the West is always claiming to have better training and tactics (and I don't doubt it) we'd be pretty secure we'd win any clash.

Paul

Again (and I'm a Flanker fan,) Cheap is a relative term you need to add a lot of avionics and equipment. the JSF sensor suite is nothing to sneeze at.

 Air to Air is not what worries me, its integrated air defenses. Duke Cunningham, the USN's only Ace in Vietnam was downed by a SAM after getting his fifth kill.  The Majority of American Aircraft from Nam to today have been downed by stuff "fired up" from the ground. You can win clashes and still take serious losses. 1/4 of all Vietnam missions from about 1970 onwards were SEAD. Still lost scores of machines.  Great pilots can fall to SAMs and triple A (and many have)

I love Flankers but even the Russians see the need to replace them, hence the T-50.  I like the thought though, even if I disagree with the logic behind it  ;)
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 14, 2012, 08:32:44 AM
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/695515/posts (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/695515/posts)

Article by retired Navy Admiral and Grumman Exec about Americanizing the Flanker. Its the "dry version" no pretty pictures but a fun read  :)
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: ChernayaAkula on January 14, 2012, 11:51:37 AM
What gets ordered when (if) F-35 is cancelled? The F-15 Active II, of course!  >:D

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/WhIf/F-15Active.png)

None of that promotional "Silent" Eagle mumbo-jumbo. To paraphrase Thomas Conolly: Senator, there is not enough RAM in all of Christendom to make the Eagle stealthy!

I thought the M61 Vulcan could be moved to the aircraft's belly, with parts of the gun faired-in much like the F-4E's six-shooter. It'd loose a little ammo drum capacity in the process, though.
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: elmayerle on January 14, 2012, 01:20:36 PM
No, but there's some design approaches you can take to reduce the signature much like the Super Hornet inlets have rather lower signatures than the basic Hornet inlets and, in the process, incorporate some changes that reduce the airframe signature further.  Really reducing the inlet signature require a redesign to be more like the F-22 or T-50 inlets but there's still a fair bit that can be done with the existing inlets.  Given how the F-15 wing attaches, you've also got room for design there.  I'm not sure if going to 2-D vectoring nozzles is worth the cost difference between those and incorporating nozzles to the existing engines that embody the results of the LOAN and AVEN programs (the F-35's engine, for example, definitely incorporates aspects of the LOAN program).
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 15, 2012, 03:40:11 AM
Hi folks,

Would everyone be happy if we merge this thread with the  "F-35 Ideas and Inspiration" (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=273.0) one?  PM me if need be so as to avoid clogging up this discussion - unless I receive negative replies, I will assume it is approved.

Kind Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 15, 2012, 07:08:02 AM
A photo to salute the story above about the USMC getting their first F-35Bs:

(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/1171/11p00639131.jpg) (http://www.marines.mil/unit/hqmc/PublishingImages/2011/11P00639_13%5B1%5D.jpg)

Click on the pic for a hi-Rez version.

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Empty Handed on January 15, 2012, 07:27:06 AM
([url]http://www.fas.org/man//dod-101/sys/ac/jsf-rn.jpg[/url])


Now that is sexy!  >:(
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 15, 2012, 07:32:49 AM
Something done by someone ages ago:
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn308/Kypchakturk/f35ehb2.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: dy031101 on January 15, 2012, 09:29:18 AM
Yes, maybe laws of aerodynamics left little room for variations, but it's hard for a new comer to come up with a F135-class turbofan in the first few tries.  So what do you do?  Make it twin-engined of course.  ;)

Where I found the pic. (http://www.china-defense.com/smf/index.php?topic=5390.msg172796#msg172796)
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: Paul Wagner on January 15, 2012, 03:23:21 PM
Air to Air is not what worries me ...The Majority of American Aircraft from Nam to today have been downed by stuff "fired up" from the ground.

Well that all depends on whether you want an Air Force to defend your homeland, or to bomb the crap out of other people's homelands :)

If the former, Air to Air is paramount, if the latter, then yeah you have to worry about "stuff fired up from the ground".....

Paul
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: elmayerle on January 15, 2012, 04:00:01 PM
Paul, that's one of the useful aspects of the all-aspects vision of the F-35's DAS, your sensors are scanning the full volume around the aircraft for things coming up from the ground or elsewhere.  Combine that with the "Pilot's Associate" to help manage the workload for the pilot (think of it as a very early R2 approximation) and you've got a very effective aircraft.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 17, 2012, 04:04:04 AM
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 17, 2012, 04:34:27 AM
Whoa! That F-22/F-35 hybrid is interesting!

Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: simmie on January 20, 2012, 09:18:19 AM
This thread was started after I read an article in the January issue of Air International about the US and its slight budget problem.
The article referred to the KC-X, LAS and F-35 programmes, and the degree of risk that each is under.

The highlights are as follows: (some of you may well now all this already, so sorry if I am boring you)
Budget cuts of $1.2 Trillion from Jan 2013, half of this from the defence budget.

USAF COS General Norton Schwartz priorities are KC-X and F-35, not LAS.

KC-X
Boeing has stated that it will exceed the cost ceiling by $500 Million.  They will have to absorb this as it is a fixed price contract ($4.8 Billion).

There are no technical problems with the aircraft and Boeing say they are on track to assemble 7 aircraft in 2015, 12 in 2016 and 15 a year thereafter.

F-35
The 33rd Fighter Wing at Eglin AFB was supposed to have started training flight and ground crews in November 2009, this has still not started.  They received their first aircraft July 2011 (08-0747).  By mid October they had half a dozen aircraft, the 6th being 08-0751.  However, they haven’t flown a single sortie as the Air Force Test and Evaluation boss has decreed only test pilots are allowed to fly the aircraft.  Thus 08-0746, 08-0748, 08-0749 and 08-0750 are not expected to fly for another year.

Air Force ground crew are not allowed to touch the aircraft, but they can watch civilian contractors.

The 33rd were supposed to get 107 aircraft, but are now getting 59 due to noise concerns!!  The F-35A is 9 db louder than an F-15 on mil T/O power, or twice as loud.

The Programme was estimated to cost $276 Billion, now it is projected to cost $623 Billion.  It is the most expensive American weapon system of all time.  The average cost per aircraft was $82 Million is now $95 Million, and some say it will eventually reach $195 Million or more.

In 2010 Robert Gates fired the programme manager and said that he would with-hold a $614 Million payment to Lockheed Martin.  However, once the fuss had died down, no one told the Pentagon not to pay the money.

The F-35B is in greatest jeopardy as Schwartz would let it die to save the A model.

LAS
LAS is in disarray after USAF disqualified the AT-6 Texan II.  Hawker Beechcraft has made 2 attempts to find out why, no response from the Air Force.  The rival team of Sierra Nevada and Embraer say that they have not been informed of the program’s status.

The programme is for 20 aircraft for the Afghan Air Force to be delivered this year.  The USAF hopped to obtain 100 aircraft for use by USAF Special Ops.  A $17 Million request to evaluate the Super Tucano in-theatre by US Central Command (under Combat Dragon II) was rejected by lawmakers.  There is also no funding to continue the AT-6 flight trials.

Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 21, 2012, 10:46:49 AM
Folks,

I have merged the "what gets ordered if the F-35 gets cancelled" topic into this one.  If anyone finds the ordering of the replies a little confusing, that is why. 

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 22, 2012, 04:08:53 AM
A comparison between the X-35 and the F-35 from CodeOne Magazine:

(http://www.codeonemagazine.com/images/media/01_XtoF_Front_1267828237_3499.jpg)
(http://www.codeonemagazine.com/images/media/02_XtoF_side_1267828237_8155.jpg)
(http://www.codeonemagazine.com/images/media/03_XtoF_Top_1267828237_6635.jpg)
(http://www.codeonemagazine.com/images/media/04_XtoF_Bottom_1267828237_8824.jpg)
(http://www.codeonemagazine.com/images/media/05_XtoF_Back_1267828237_6057.jpg)
(http://www.codeonemagazine.com/images/media/06_XtoF_cockpit_1267828237_1051.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 29, 2012, 08:01:31 AM
(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3142/f35c.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5289/5213252636_0b71194168.jpg)

(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/839/28067.jpg)

(http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2011/07/14/F35abc.JPG)

All three variants^ (So far  ;) )
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 29, 2012, 08:03:46 AM
I like the Super- F-35 with twin engines.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 04, 2012, 04:11:43 AM
(http://www.codeonemagazine.com/images/media/2011_Spotlight_F35_P38_BD7_2997Xf_1267828237_4715.jpg)
(http://sobchak.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/lightnings.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 05, 2012, 04:36:48 AM
Scan of a poster I actually have on my office wall at work:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/ALT%20RAN%20FAA/page0000025_4.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 05, 2012, 04:46:11 AM
F-35 First Night Flight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-hqmeXxu5E#ws)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 21, 2012, 02:26:48 AM
External Weapons trials (Better Pictures):

(http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/5/5b769d91-7281-47da-85ac-bbd5fc63217b.Full.jpg)
(http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/1/7/419ca751-ff55-4044-871b-daa387107b10.Full.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 21, 2012, 02:31:24 AM
Assembling a F-35...a tad more than glue required (and this doesn't even cover all the subcontractor work that is needed beforehand):

Production F-35 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qvWkdZ2jso#ws)

regards,

Greg
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 21, 2012, 02:41:00 AM
One day...maybe:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/image010.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 24, 2012, 03:45:55 PM
More external weapons trials, this time with the Bravo (note the external gun pod):

(http://www.navair.navy.mil/img/uploads/20120222_O_GR159_001.jpg)
(http://www.navair.navy.mil/img/uploads/20120222_O_GR159_002.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Maverick on February 24, 2012, 04:14:50 PM
Nice to see hangy things breaking up the outline.  The pod is certainly an odd looking beast.  I'm quite surprised as to how big the pylons are in comparison to the wings.

Thanks for sharing.

Regards,

John
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChernayaAkula on February 24, 2012, 10:00:42 PM
That pic of the F-35 with AIM-9X and black tails with red lightning bolt - damn, from some angles it's a really sexy beast!  :-*

Wow, just noticed how much an outward slant there is to the AIM-9 pylon and launcher!  :icon_surprised:
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on February 25, 2012, 03:54:24 AM
Anyone with a set of conformal fuel tanks for the F-16?  How about performing a check-fit to see what they would look like attached to the F-35.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 03, 2012, 03:25:23 AM
View showing some of the details of the F-35B lift system:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7021/6831892599_a431dd5871_b.jpg) (http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7021/6831892599_1f971a45f4_o.jpg)

Click on image for High Res version.

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 04, 2012, 01:23:56 PM
Maybe one day:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/Picture1.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/Picture2.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/Picture3.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/Picture4.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/Picture5.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/Picture6.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/Picture7.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/Picture8.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/Picture9.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Cliffy B on March 04, 2012, 01:25:51 PM
You have to admit, it does look GOOD in those colors!


I'll bite, is the "5" supposed to be viewed while the plane is inverted or did the guy goof?
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: upnorth on March 04, 2012, 05:57:51 PM

Tejas was like, you know, MiG-21/F-5 of the 21st Century (it has none of the Fishbed's aesthetic shortcomings.....


I don't have any real opinions on the F-35, but you did not say that about the MiG-21, did you?

I'll grant you that she lost a bit in the looks department in later versions, but you can't say she didn't have looks early on:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/Kunovice%20air%20museum/2008_0802Kunovice0339.jpg)
 :-*

As for the Tejas, I always saw it as a bit of an unispired bash of F-16XL and Legacy Hornet features.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Alvis 3.1 on March 05, 2012, 12:16:17 AM
Blue Angels AND Thunderbirds version:
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal6/5601-5700/gal5700_F-35_Petrie/00.shtm (http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal6/5601-5700/gal5700_F-35_Petrie/00.shtm)


Alvis 3.1
Title: Re: What gets ordered when (if) F-35 cancelled
Post by: dy031101 on March 05, 2012, 12:45:11 AM
I don't have any real opinions on the F-35, but you did not say that about the MiG-21, did you?

I'll grant you that she lost a bit in the looks department in later versions, but you can't say she didn't have looks early on......

As for the Tejas, I always saw it as a bit of an unispired bash of F-16XL and Legacy Hornet features.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree here since to me only the tailless delta wing planform (used by the Analog-144) or significant relocation of air intake (used by Ye-8, some proposed model of J-7, and forerunners of FC-1) fixed the look.  8)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Doom! on March 05, 2012, 12:53:01 AM
Blue Angels AND Thunderbirds version:
[url]http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal6/5601-5700/gal5700_F-35_Petrie/00.shtm[/url] ([url]http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal6/5601-5700/gal5700_F-35_Petrie/00.shtm[/url])


Alvis 3.1

Alvis, this is completely awesome!!!  :-*
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 05, 2012, 02:21:48 AM
Blue Angels AND Thunderbirds version:
[url]http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal6/5601-5700/gal5700_F-35_Petrie/00.shtm[/url] ([url]http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal6/5601-5700/gal5700_F-35_Petrie/00.shtm[/url])


Alvis 3.1

Alvis, this is completely awesome!!!  :-*


Ditto
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on March 14, 2012, 06:34:07 AM
This story has just appeared on google news---  :o

http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/jets+purchase+guaranteed+Fantino/6294963/story.html (http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/jets+purchase+guaranteed+Fantino/6294963/story.html)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Alvis 3.1 on March 14, 2012, 09:25:40 AM
The F-35: The most maligned and disliked plane since, well, I can't remember when!

Despite all the issues surrounding it, I actually like the looks of it.

Alvis 3.1
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: KiwiZac on March 14, 2012, 09:35:19 AM
I'm still very much a fan of the type. When the kits of production B models finally hit shelves, I'll be there.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on March 14, 2012, 09:24:32 PM
I've said before that I think it's a really neat looking plane, just waiting for some good representatives of it to appear in 1/72 scale, even though I do have a couple of the Italeri rendition of it (which have a lot of work to correct it)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: tsrjoe on March 15, 2012, 01:07:23 AM
JSF with JSM ...

http://aviationweek.typepad.com/ares/2007/04/restoring_trini.html (http://aviationweek.typepad.com/ares/2007/04/restoring_trini.html)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 24, 2012, 04:23:00 AM
Yes, the JSM is one of the few weapons which is purpose designed with the F-35 in mind.  I have seen some mockups - will try and find the photos.  By all accounts it looks very promising and I hope to see it do well.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 24, 2012, 04:23:57 AM
just some cool photos:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/F-35LightningIIJointStrikeFighter2.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/5998327047_13e6ed5063_o.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/6726150329_6bacb85f68_o.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Stargazer2006 on March 24, 2012, 09:56:21 AM
First pic in the last set looks pretty much like CGI to me, not a real photo...  ???
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 01, 2012, 12:28:18 PM
Some profiles done for me a while back:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/ca15/RAAFF-35A3_03.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/ca15/f-35a_34.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/ca15/f-35a_35.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/ca15/f-35a_36.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/ca15/RAAFF-35A3.jpg)

The last one is one my office wall at work!
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on April 14, 2012, 11:33:34 AM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yMQ4LhKMn-A/T2Mc31A6_7I/AAAAAAAAFYQ/Sd0rMt9GiTE/s1600/F-35.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 15, 2012, 03:09:32 AM
Well that's different.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 15, 2012, 03:10:41 AM
First pic in the last set looks pretty much like CGI to me, not a real photo...  ???

Maybe...maybe not.  Either way, I love the dark grey look.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on April 15, 2012, 06:21:36 AM
([url]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yMQ4LhKMn-A/T2Mc31A6_7I/AAAAAAAAFYQ/Sd0rMt9GiTE/s1600/F-35.jpg[/url])

Clearly the long-range ferry configuration.  With a spot of work, you could also add dual-mode (both flying boom and probe and drogue) inflight refueling.  The F-35A has the 'real estate" for the probe kept clear to keep a common systems configuration across all the variants.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Silver Fox on April 15, 2012, 09:02:04 AM
I think Stargazer is right... the shadows from the antenna on the spine and the port V-stab don't originate at the structures. It's like the shadow-model is based on an older exterior model or a more primitive version, it's something you see in FlightSim all the time.
 
Still, a cool shot.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 17, 2012, 06:40:23 PM
Note the roundel:

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/assets_c/2012/04/F12-16157-155123.html (http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/assets_c/2012/04/F12-16157-155123.html)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Litvyak on April 17, 2012, 08:27:06 PM
Note the roundel:

[url]http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/assets_c/2012/04/F12-16157-155123.html[/url] ([url]http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/assets_c/2012/04/F12-16157-155123.html[/url])


Pretty.

But what is that? British? Greek? Italian? Peruvian?

They need to keep the pink & powder blue roundels/flash!
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 18, 2012, 02:14:21 AM
Note the roundel:

[url]http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/assets_c/2012/04/F12-16157-155123.html[/url] ([url]http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/assets_c/2012/04/F12-16157-155123.html[/url])


Pretty.

But what is that? British? Greek? Italian? Peruvian?

They need to keep the pink & powder blue roundels/flash!


It is the first UK F-35.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on April 18, 2012, 03:36:39 AM

It is the first UK F-35.

I thought the Brits cancelled their order Greg
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 18, 2012, 04:05:13 AM

It is the first UK F-35.

I thought the Brits cancelled their order Greg

Nope. In fact what they have recently done is go from the F-35B (STOVL) version to the F-35C (Carrier) and then back again to the F-35B.  They are still in there though. 
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on June 26, 2012, 06:29:33 AM
(http://cencio4.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/j18.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: raafif on June 26, 2012, 06:41:01 AM
not a whif, taiidantomcat ....... the Chinese KGB are outside your door right now :) ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 26, 2012, 06:14:05 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on June 27, 2012, 05:39:32 AM
(http://kennwith2nz.com/images/gallery-art-01-(c)-kennwhite.gif)

http://kennwith2nz.com/gallery-01.html (http://kennwith2nz.com/gallery-01.html)

So pretty  :-*
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 04, 2012, 02:31:13 AM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Artic/136086_1.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 11, 2012, 04:29:52 AM
(http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/5023fa48eab8ea2a2e000000/f-35-b-lightening-bomb-drop.jpg) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbSinROAtHI)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 14, 2012, 03:03:13 PM
(http://cencio4.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/rnlaf_f35_solo_display_2.png)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on August 14, 2012, 10:00:18 PM
Any plans for a trainer version?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 15, 2012, 02:02:35 AM
In the real world?  No.  In the whiff verse...well...
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on August 15, 2012, 07:58:21 AM
Whoa!! On the Netherlands bird!!!  :-*

(http://www.aerotechnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/LM-UK-F35.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on August 19, 2012, 05:06:53 AM
Any plans for a trainer version?
Not that anyone will admit, though LMAero-Fort Worth's AD group has some concepts (I've seen a rendering of one).  At the present time, though, the plan is to use the full networking capabilities of the single-seater to effect training in conjunction with simulators.  If they did do a two-seater, it would require a change out of the forward section.  The most interesting question would be whether they would keep the forward hinged canopy (which would be a bit of a chore to wrestle with for a two-seater) or go with an alternate approach.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on August 24, 2012, 08:19:31 AM
(http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed/data/aero/photos/aero-home/aerohome_6.jpg)

 :-*
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 25, 2012, 04:15:54 AM
Nice - strong possibility that South Korean ones will be the next to become reality... ;)

Anyway, here is another nice (IMHO anyway) shot of the F-35.  I really like the dark look.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8004/7552624006_3f83928e87_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lockheedmartin/7552624006/sizes/o/in/photostream/)

Click on picture to go to larger version.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 25, 2012, 05:41:12 AM
A different sort of stores configuration for the F-35:

(http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt271/SpudmanWP/f-35_VRC-droptest.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 25, 2012, 05:44:42 AM
Quote
Denmark’s Terma is showing off, for the first time here at the show, the multi-mission pod (MMP) it has developed for the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The MMP began life as the gun pod for the F-35, which Terma designed and developed on behalf of General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products, but the company has developed it into a more versatile pod that should prove attractive, in particular, to overseas operators of the JSF.


(http://i.imgur.com/S9z7o.jpg)

Hmmm...possibilities - I can't wait to see if these are in the new Kittyhawk kit.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChernayaAkula on August 25, 2012, 09:27:02 AM
Britmodeller has a REVIEW (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=234924464) of the Kitty Hawk F-35B. No gun pod, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 25, 2012, 09:41:13 AM
Bugger!!!
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 14, 2012, 02:11:47 AM
Maybe something for the future:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/jsf-laser.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on September 14, 2012, 02:36:43 AM
Apparently you are not supposed to hot-link images from F-16.net :)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 14, 2012, 02:38:40 AM
Apparently you are not supposed to hot-link images from F-16.net :)

Doh!!! Fixed! :-[
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on October 03, 2012, 08:25:04 AM
Annoy everyone:  Sand the Kitty Hawk kit smooth and paint it with all its plywood panels in clear varnish.   Install analogue guages.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Litvyak on October 03, 2012, 12:23:26 PM
A different sort of stores configuration for the F-35:

([url]http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt271/SpudmanWP/f-35_VRC-droptest.jpg[/url])


Nice colour scheme. Is a pale pink or powder blue variant also available?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on October 08, 2012, 10:10:07 AM
::chuckle:: That's just unpainted structure there.  The general finish of the panels is that color.  As the aircraft is constructed it makes an interesting contrast with this assemblies that arrive pre-colored.  It is also clearly not a fully mission equipped airframe; between the "boomed" nose and the blank panels where the DAS windows would be in a fully fitted out aircraft.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on October 08, 2012, 11:51:31 PM
(http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7037/6982681131_4121f91476.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on October 09, 2012, 12:30:23 AM
([url]http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7037/6982681131_4121f91476.jpg[/url])


Funny. A nice cross between Disney Pixar and Hank Caruso.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on October 12, 2012, 11:18:10 PM
(http://community.warplanes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/jsf-f-35.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 14, 2012, 04:28:30 AM
Ok, so it is only a full-scale model built by Lockheed Martin to measure the antenna performance of the F-35 Lightning II....still, it does have cool markings:

(http://www.codeonemagazine.com/images/media/08_F35_PoleTest_UpsideDown_W_1267828237_8547.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on October 15, 2012, 10:27:58 AM
Even with Full scale models the Jolly Rogers are done to death  ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChernayaAkula on October 15, 2012, 11:29:04 AM
Even with Full scale models the Jolly Rogers are done to death  ;D


Bwahahahaha! (http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/Emoticons/hammer.gif)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on November 05, 2012, 10:42:54 AM
(http://nickdwyer.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/f-35xl2.jpg?w=717&h=510)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 05, 2012, 05:48:17 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChrisF on November 06, 2012, 12:38:42 AM
I LIKE that twin engine !!
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on November 09, 2012, 10:06:33 AM
(http://aviation-art.net/Gallery2012/F-35C.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChernayaAkula on November 09, 2012, 12:44:33 PM
Yeah! Very nice! :)

More Reapers, less Rogers!  ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on November 24, 2012, 01:16:58 AM
DreamModel —— 1:48th scale replacement/substitute photo-etch brass exhaust nozzles for the F-35A/B/C

Apparently a very recent arrival to the aftermarket/accessory producers.  Available only by eMail correspondence via a gMail and Yahoo address.  The two products they currently offer are both for the F-35 engine exhaust as direct replacement photo-etch brass for the plastic part included in the kit. 

See this link for images of the two parts and other details in the ARC Forums: ------> DreamModel —— 1:48th scale replacement/substitute photo-etch brass exhaust nozzles for the F-35A/B/C (http://s362974870.onlinehome.us/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=257422)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 24, 2012, 03:51:06 AM
Very nice...if a little dangerous looking.  Might order some...may not all make it onto F-35s though. ;)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on November 24, 2012, 03:56:17 AM
Very nice...if a little dangerous looking.  Might order some...may not all make it onto F-35s though. ;)


Thanks to Moritz for providing a link to the actual web page for this company.  Navigate at your own risk as it has no options other than Chinese by which to browse. 
They do have a website (LINK ([url]http://www.dreammodel.com.cn/[/url])), but it's rather clumsy to navigate and kinda incomplete (or I just haven't found the right buttons on their page).
You can get their stuff on eBay, too.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 24, 2012, 04:37:27 AM
I get virus warnings with that website, so be careful.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Diamondback on November 24, 2012, 06:10:15 AM
Yeah, working with that part means the Modeling Gods will demand a blood sacrifice...
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 24, 2012, 06:11:42 AM
Most definitely... ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Diamondback on November 24, 2012, 09:12:19 AM
Seriously, that part looks like, with a little reinforcement, I could replace the strike-bezel on a SureFire flashlight with it and have a lethal weapon... I think I felt every orifice puckering and most muscles trying to contract on themselves at first sight.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on November 24, 2012, 12:59:12 PM
([url]http://nickdwyer.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/f-35xl2.jpg?w=717&h=510[/url])

Nice, 'cept the engines are too big.  Using two F135s would give you more power than the F-22 has.  I'm thinking the J-31 has the right of it with two F414-size engines.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Diamondback on November 24, 2012, 01:03:00 PM
Nice, 'cept the engines are too big.  Using two F135s would give you more power than the F-22 has.
You say that like it's a BAD thing, LOL... unless it's more power than the structure can take. (Like I said elsewhere, my idea of "enough power" is being able to accelerate straight up, fully loaded. LOL :D )
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on November 24, 2012, 01:14:47 PM
Well, it's more like it's going to make certain problematic systems on the current aircraft (yes, they are being dealt with, but...) more problematic.  The other aspect is simply that to fit two engines the size of the F135 with decent aerodynamics and other considerations gives you an aircraft that's once again the size and weight of the F-22.  The F-35 is intended as a mid-size fighter, not a heavy fighter.  Mind you, a new heavy fighter combining the best of the F-22 and F-35 would be a very dangerous beast indeed; might be interesting to see what might happen if a "scrapped" F-22 was salvaged and a whole lot of upgrades from the F-35, and various other aircraft, were added.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on November 25, 2012, 05:05:48 AM
That PE Nozzle is unreal  :-* Great find!
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 13, 2013, 04:25:56 AM
An F-35C painted for its future assignment to US Navy Fighter Attack Squadron 101 (VFA-101) at Eglin AFB, Florida, is shown in the paint facility at the Lockheed Martin facility in Fort Worth, Texas, on 7 January 2013. The original Fighter Squadron 101 (VF-101), nicknamed Grim Reapers, was established 1 May 1952 and flew various fighter aircraft including the F-4 Phantom and F-14 Tomcat. VF-101 was disestablished in 2005. To support the Navy version of the F-35, VFA-101 was reestablished in May 2012 at a new hangar and training facility at Eglin. The unit will serve as the Fleet Replacement Squadron, training Navy Lightning II aviators and maintainers. This aircraft (Bureau Number 168733) is scheduled for delivery later his year.

(http://www.codeonemagazine.com/images/news/2013_CF6_Paint_00392PR_1269967624_4482.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on January 13, 2013, 06:09:16 AM
That looks very much like LM-Aero's Fort Worth facility.  I believe I've read elsewhere that this aircraft is C/N CF-06 which would make it one of the first LRIP "C" models.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 18, 2013, 10:05:54 AM

2012 F-35 Year in Review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts8Q6LwDMcs#ws)

From Naval Air Systems Command.

Just meant to show the aircraft in operation (pictures don't do any aircraft enough justice) If you don't like the F-35 or don't want to hear anything positive about it, mute the video or plunge your fingers into your ears and hum real loud.  :)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on January 18, 2013, 03:59:07 PM
An F-35C painted for its future assignment to US Navy Fighter Attack Squadron 101 (VFA-101) at Eglin AFB, Florida, is shown in the paint facility at the Lockheed Martin facility in Fort Worth, Texas, on 7 January 2013. The original Fighter Squadron 101 (VF-101), nicknamed Grim Reapers, was established 1 May 1952 and flew various fighter aircraft including the F-4 Phantom and F-14 Tomcat. VF-101 was disestablished in 2005. To support the Navy version of the F-35, VFA-101 was reestablished in May 2012 at a new hangar and training facility at Eglin. The unit will serve as the Fleet Replacement Squadron, training Navy Lightning II aviators and maintainers. This aircraft (Bureau Number 168733) is scheduled for delivery later his year.

([url]http://www.codeonemagazine.com/images/news/2013_CF6_Paint_00392PR_1269967624_4482.jpg[/url])


Is that picture distorted or is it really that stubby/tubby?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on January 18, 2013, 11:14:04 PM
I think perspective is distorting it a bit, it's not that stubby when seen in RL.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Doom! on January 18, 2013, 11:57:39 PM
She's not stubby/tubby, she's full figured!  ;)  looking forward to the first time I get to see one of these in person.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 19, 2013, 01:19:06 AM
Cheap wide angle lens?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 19, 2013, 02:18:06 AM
(http://www.igorstshirts.com/blog/conceptrobots/ben_procter_15.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on January 19, 2013, 03:23:09 AM
Looks like I'll get to see one of these for real in March down at USMC Yuma
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 19, 2013, 03:31:15 AM
Its not tubby...its pugnacious. ;)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Caveman on January 19, 2013, 04:44:18 PM
Looks like I'll get to see one of these for real in March down at USMC Yuma
They really are amazing in the metal(composite)! Enjoy it!
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 23, 2013, 04:01:32 AM
(http://www.codeonemagazine.com/images/news/2013_F35C_Refuel_P00022_11_1269967624_6321.jpg)

Something cooly bizarre about a half century old propeller plane refueling 21st century stealth jets.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 27, 2013, 12:19:46 PM
(http://www.eglin.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/2013/01/121015-f-zz999-448.jpg)

Clean and new
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on January 27, 2013, 12:21:26 PM
Photograph or CGI? 
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Cliffy B on January 27, 2013, 01:08:33 PM
Why on Earth didn't they make those panel lines the same color as the rest of the airframe?  Yick!!!!  Is it "too stealthy" to paint?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Litvyak on January 27, 2013, 01:10:05 PM
Is there some technical reason those panel(?) lines are painted(?) in a lighter colour that makes it all stick out so?

Kinda gives it an unfinished appearance.

Last two pictures, great shots, it looks super. The fully side-on view, yeah... looks like it got scrunched up a bit.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on January 27, 2013, 02:07:44 PM
I'd say that, if real, those two aircraft have been photographed prior to paint, with just the basic markings appliques in place for the initial flight testing.  That doesn't look that different from a pre-painting F-16.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Litvyak on January 27, 2013, 08:53:35 PM
But how about that side view of the C?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 28, 2013, 01:51:07 AM
Photograph or CGI?


Its credited to the USAF at Eglin, but its just unreally sharp!!

(http://www.codeonemagazine.com/images/media/20130108_F35A_Edwards_SM_1267828237_9916.jpg)

Something different! Parachute attached at Edwards AFB for high AoA testing

 :)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on January 28, 2013, 11:22:48 AM
But how about that side view of the C?
Most of the differences I see there are due to parts being painted at the component level and the mixes not matching exactly and the different reflective properties of some seals.  I notice that the pic of the two C-models refueling from a KC-130 doesn't show any of that.

Further note, as far as I can tell, the panel lines you're seeing are outlines of removable or open-able panels and I'm thinking that the sealant tape over the edges shows a bit different light reflective properties.  At least, that's my best guess.  Heck of a note when I can still identify most of the panels and some of the visible equipment fit on the forward fuselage, even though it's been nearly five years since I left LM-Aero.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Cliffy B on January 28, 2013, 11:40:16 AM
Another paint question; these are supposed be USN and USMC birds, so where are the USN and USMC colors?!  They look more USAF than anything else with that dark gray.  Where are the Ghosts and Light and Medium Gray Blues?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on January 28, 2013, 12:09:51 PM
Honestly?  I have no idea what the markings intentions are for these, though I expect they are reasonably standardized across the fleet because some prior finished components are installed in all variants of the aircraft.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 29, 2013, 04:58:17 AM
Another paint question; these are supposed be USN and USMC birds, so where are the USN and USMC colors?!  They look more USAF than anything else with that dark gray.  Where are the Ghosts and Light and Medium Gray Blues?


(http://dmn.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/VMA-211-Harrier-01.jpg)

Marines have been going dark on the attack aircraft anyway.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 07, 2013, 02:16:24 AM
First F-35A four-ship flies over Eglin (http://www.eglin.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123335153)

Photos - warning Hi Rez

http://www.eglin.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/2013/02/130201-F-zz999-804.JPG (http://www.eglin.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/2013/02/130201-F-zz999-804.JPG)
http://www.eglin.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/2013/02/130201-F-zz999-805.JPG (http://www.eglin.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/2013/02/130201-F-zz999-805.JPG)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on February 07, 2013, 02:49:53 AM
Countdown to first claim of Photochop has started ...

10-9-8-7 ...

  :-X  :-\
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 07, 2013, 06:46:57 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on February 08, 2013, 03:53:40 AM
(http://www.flightglobal.com/Assets/GetAsset.aspx?ItemID=49485)

(http://www.flightglobal.com/Assets/GetAsset.aspx?ItemID=49490)

Some sharp images
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 08, 2013, 05:10:08 AM
Does anyone know if you can get any 1/350 F-35Bs yet.  I could use a couple.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on February 08, 2013, 05:34:31 AM
Does anyone know if you can get any 1/350 F-35Bs yet.  I could use a couple hundred.

 ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 08, 2013, 07:01:54 AM
Well, that proves there is a market... ;)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on February 17, 2013, 02:48:01 AM
(http://www.fas.org/man//dod-101/sys/ac/jsf200.jpg)

(http://www.fas.org/man//dod-101/sys/ac/jsf200b.jpg)

(http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/160/7/1/the_modern_ninja_hinja___lm_f_35_jsf_for_japan_by_ghufranali-d52u5d9.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 17, 2013, 03:47:10 AM
Oh, I do like the Japanese one. 
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on February 17, 2013, 08:10:41 AM
Oh, I do like the Japanese one.

Same here, it looks right, as would a JMSDF F-35B over a ski jump equiped DDH-22 8)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 26, 2013, 05:33:28 AM
Some info on the F-35 Cannon Pod (click on the pretty picture to go to the presentation):

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/A9RsgHxJq_zps65a34ebb.jpg) (http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2010armament/TuesdayLandmarkADouglasParker.pdf)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Scooterman on February 26, 2013, 11:13:49 AM
LOVE the teeth on the pod!  :icon_ninja:
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on March 01, 2013, 04:50:57 AM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tr8PnTc_Bk4/UPd4Xz90w3I/AAAAAAAAAiE/a1T3_DinCcc/s1600/F35+AOA.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8218/8368832656_68bb49da76_k.jpg)

AoA
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on March 15, 2013, 03:27:00 AM
F-35B at Yuma 2013 Airshow.  The show announcer said that a forth F-35B was to be delivered to Yuma in the next week or so.


(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Yuma%20Airshow%202013/Yuma2013028_zps97b3a81a.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Yuma%20Airshow%202013/Yuma2013029_zpsa93c521e.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Yuma%20Airshow%202013/Yuma2013032_zps6dd053e5.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Yuma%20Airshow%202013/Yuma2013027_zps2414a3a2.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Yuma%20Airshow%202013/Yuma2013051_zpsbd9a9b52.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on March 15, 2013, 03:31:14 AM
Some detail shots:

(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Yuma%20Airshow%202013/Yuma2013030_zps9318c889.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Yuma%20Airshow%202013/Yuma2013033_zps253a31d1.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 15, 2013, 12:35:46 PM
 :)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 23, 2013, 01:15:16 PM
From new brochure promoting the F-35 for Canada:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/photo_zps0fe5a31f.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 23, 2013, 01:16:58 PM
I was just thinking.  We're leaving someone out.  The USAF, USN AND USMC are all getting F-35s.  But what about the US Army.  We talk about Harriers and A-4s etc for the US Army in the whiff verse, but what about the F-35?? 
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Litvyak on April 23, 2013, 09:15:38 PM
For the US, Lightning II makes sense (P-38; but that's also why I think if it can't be F-24, it should be F-38). For the UK, Lightning makes sense (EE/BAC Lightning). Canada never had anything called Lightning - so why Lightning II?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 24, 2013, 01:58:00 AM
so why Lightning II?

Err...because that's the name of the plane?   I'm sure if Canadians want they can call it something else once its in service.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on April 24, 2013, 02:28:26 AM
One thing I could see Canada, and some other countries who use probe and drogue refueling, do is add in, for a certain cost and weight penalty, that refueling capability, too.  The layout of the F-35A leaves that area clear for maximum commonality and it would be possible to fit the retractable probe in addition to the flying boom receptacle.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChernayaAkula on May 01, 2013, 05:49:11 AM
Well, at least the Israelis seem to be happy with the F-35:

Times of Israel: Jet’s name is just plane ‘Awesome’ - LINK (http://www.timesofisrael.com/jets-name-is-just-plane-awesome/)
Quote
The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is not only one of the most advanced fighter jets in the world — it now has a Hebrew name, and it’s literally awesome.

On Wednesday, the Israeli Air Force christened the plane Adir, which in modern Hebrew denotes awesomeness, radness and all-around cool (the dictionary definition is a bit more sober).


 ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 07, 2013, 04:44:31 AM
Some interesting reading on potential exports from Wikipedia:

Quote

Belgium - In 2009 Belgium suggested that they might buy some F-35s in the 2020s.[177]
Brazil - The Brazilian Air Force recently has added the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter to the list of aircraft under consideration for its relaunched new fighter procurement, called F-X2. The F-35 replaces the F-16, which was in contention for the previous F-X BR program, shelved in 2003 and finally abandoned in 2006.[178][179][180] Lockheed Martin did not offer the F-35 and instead bid the F-16BR in 2008.[181]
Finland - The Finnish Air Force has expressed its interest in the F-35, and other "advanced aircraft", as the replacement for its F-18C Hornets. An eventual purchase decision would be taken around 2015.[182]
Greece - Lockheed Martin is offering the F-35 to Greece's Hellenic Air Force as a replacement for F-4E Peace Icarus 2000 and F-16C/D Block 30 aircraft.[183]
 Republic of China - Taiwan has requested to buy the F-35 from the US. However this has been rejected by the US in fear of a critical response from China. In March 2009 Taiwan again was looking to buy U.S. fifth-generation fighter jets featuring stealth and vertical takeoff capabilities.[184] However, in September 2011, during a visit to the US, the Deputy Minister of National Defense of Taiwan, confirmed that while the country was busy upgrading its current F-16s it was still also looking to procure a next-generation aircraft such as the F-35. This received the usual critical response from China.[185]
 Romania - The Romanian Ministry of Defense has expressed interest in buying the F-35 for its air force sometime after 2020.[186]
 South Korea - South Korea is considering the F-35 amongst several other competitors for the third stage of its F-X program.[187][188] South Korean officials have said that the F-35 would only be available after 2018, but Steve O'Bryan, Lockheed's vice president for F-35 business development has said that Lockheed can deliver the F-35 to South Korea by 2016.[189][dead link] Some South Korean Air Force officers have considered possible missions for the stealth fighter such as surprise raids deep into nuclear armed North Korea.[190] Lockheed has refused to allow South Korean pilots access to the aircraft to test it prior to the selection.[191] However the simulation tests to be used are more extensive that the processes used by other customers such as Israel and Japan.[192]
 Spain - The Spanish Navy ship Juan Carlos I (L61) is adapted to carry JSF and AV-8B Harrier.[193] JSF Program Executive Officer, Air Force Major General Charles Davis, said in 2008 that discussions had been held with Spain, which could eventually lead to the F-35B replacing the Spanish Navy’s EAV-8B Harrier fleet.[194]
 UAE - The United Arab Emirates has requested information about a possible sale of F-35s, however the United States has delayed for months on the response.[195][196]
 Saudi Arabia - The Saudi Defence Ministry is said to be keeping all the options open to buy more fighter jets, including notably the Boeing F-15 Silent Eagle and the Lockheed Martin F-35 JSF (Joint Strike Fighter).[197]

Now whilst some of these are very likely (e.g. Sth Korea), others are less so (e.g. Greece).  Either way, it certainly provides some whiff potential...I for one am very tempted to do a Romanian, UAE or Saudi F-35A and/or a Spanish F-35B.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 09, 2013, 05:00:47 AM
Classic from Clave:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/photo_zpsd33ce932.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on June 09, 2013, 08:38:58 AM
that suggests the possibility of the Thunderbirds and the Blue Angels flying the same aircraft.  That could get most interesting.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Alvis 3.1 on June 09, 2013, 02:06:41 PM
1/72 F-35A United States Armed Forces
 
Air Demonstration Composite Unit
 
In the 2020s, severe economic issues both at home and abroad caused some extreme measures to be undertaken by US military organizations. Two such units where the US Air Force and the US Navy Blue Angels Aerial Demonstration Squadrons. Since the F-22 had turned out to far too expensive to purchase for the Thunderbirds, the USAF turned to the hot new jet, the F-35, which was already under evaluation by the US Navy as well. However, restrictions on the overall numbers was pushing both groups to very small teams of perhaps 2 or 3 aircraft. In the midst of this dilemma, a nameless accountant at the GAO (General Accounting Office) came up with the perfect solution:

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g102/Alvis3_1/BlueAngel1_zps3014a613.jpg) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/Alvis3_1/media/BlueAngel1_zps3014a613.jpg.html)
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g102/Alvis3_1/ThunderBirds1_zps60261929.jpg) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/Alvis3_1/media/ThunderBirds1_zps60261929.jpg.html)

Amalgamate the two teams!

It was said you could hear the screaming from orbit once this idea got out. "It will never work" screamed the brass. "We can't train the same way" said the pilots. "What are THOSE wrenches for?" asked the airframe techs. "How do we do the paperwork?" cried the paperpushers. "I'm not wearing THAT #$@!*&% uniform!!!" said more than one Navy pilot. But, in the end, the teams were forced together, and in the spirit of traditional shotgun weddings, the new team, the "Thunder-Angels" (or "Blue-Birds" if seen from below) was based in Arkansas!
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g102/Alvis3_1/TopTop_zps4b5b5544.jpg) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/Alvis3_1/media/TopTop_zps4b5b5544.jpg.html)
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g102/Alvis3_1/FrontOn_zps4ed0ec75.jpg) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/Alvis3_1/media/FrontOn_zps4ed0ec75.jpg.html)
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g102/Alvis3_1/TopFront_zps882ef823.jpg) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/Alvis3_1/media/TopFront_zps882ef823.jpg.html)
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g102/Alvis3_1/Bottom_zpsf42caf3b.jpg) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/Alvis3_1/media/Bottom_zpsf42caf3b.jpg.html)

Ok ok, it's the X-35 that I used, but hey, it WAS 2007 when i did this!

Alvis 3.1
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on June 10, 2013, 12:15:08 AM
LOL nice  :) :)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 23, 2013, 05:43:00 AM
Ok Super Detailers...go Crazy!  This is inside the F-35 Weapon's bay:

(http://media.jrn.com/images/660*422/b9933928z.1_20130616220506_000_g1e16ak6.1-0.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on June 23, 2013, 10:04:25 AM
Ok Super Detailers...go Crazy!  This is inside the F-35 Weapon's bay:

([url]http://media.jrn.com/images/660[/url]*422/b9933928z.1_20130616220506_000_g1e16ak6.1-0.jpg)


Just close the doors and walk away slowly...
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kim margosein on June 24, 2013, 07:16:16 AM
actually, coat the bay interior with some stickum glue, like Goop.  Get all those tiny pieces at the bottom of the spares box and shake them over it.  Shake out the excess, wait until dry, and paint.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Cliffy B on June 24, 2013, 07:17:27 AM
 ;D ;D ;D

I like how you think!!!  All it needs is a weathering wash afterwards and no one will notice  ;)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChrisF on June 25, 2013, 08:38:07 AM
It worked for industrial light and magic back at the begining... lol   ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 30, 2013, 04:18:52 AM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/F-35s002_zpscd0fdd2djpgoriginal_zps3ff8bac1.jpeg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/F-35s001_zps87180c52jpgoriginal_zps48e31d81.jpeg)

Ignore the comment regarding these being the most likely colour schemes - it's pure fantasy.  More likely al will be like these latest Dutch F-35As:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/DutchF35AF002_zpsdedd005c.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/DutchF35AF002A_zps43c1167d.jpg)

Though of course don't let that stop you in your modelling of them in all sorts of schemes... ;)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on June 30, 2013, 05:39:55 AM
QF-35 Target Drone in high-visibility red-orange.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on June 30, 2013, 06:13:34 AM
Like button pushed!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on July 19, 2013, 06:09:02 AM
OK, I've got a question, why is the Canadian F-35A getting different wheels.

http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/RAAW72308 (http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/RAAW72308)

F-35A standard wheels.

http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/RAAW72305 (http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/RAAW72305)

And where does this information come from
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on July 19, 2013, 06:37:36 AM
Beavers Robert.

The number one cause of landing and taxing accidents at RCAF bases is the "runway"beaver.

This sub-species of Castor canadensis landing gear collapsis crosses the runways and taxiways at the most inopportune times. The wheels and brakes are designed to sustain a direct impact with a 40 LB beaver.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on July 19, 2013, 07:12:18 AM
Beavers Robert.

The number one cause of landing and taxing accidents at RCAF bases is the "runway"beaver.

This sub-species of  Castor canadensis crosses the runways and taxiways as the most inopportune time. The wheels and brakes are designed to sustain a direct impact with a 40 LB beaver.

Save a tree and an F-35 by eating more beaver. . .
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on July 19, 2013, 09:23:12 PM
LMAO!
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 20, 2013, 03:56:52 AM
OK, I've got a question, why is the Canadian F-35A getting different wheels.

[url]http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/RAAW72308[/url] ([url]http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/RAAW72308[/url])

F-35A standard wheels.

[url]http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/RAAW72305[/url] ([url]http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/RAAW72305[/url])

And where does this information come from


News to me - I suspect the true reason is because someone thinks there are enough fools out there who will buy aftermarket bits...
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChernayaAkula on July 31, 2013, 10:27:43 AM
Isreali F-35A built from the 1/48 Kitty Hawk kit-  LINK (http://www.themodellingnews.com/2013/07/coloured-lightning-kittyhawk-148th-f.html) to more images on "The Modelling News".

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gcNJsFXaaT4/UfdMXc5FS8I/AAAAAAAAleg/R_AY0DEVoSM/s640/KittyHawk+F-35A+1+48th+scale+Pic+25+%2819%29.JPG)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 02, 2013, 02:34:52 AM
Stick with all grey I say...
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 02, 2013, 02:35:09 AM
The Future is coming...

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-w9Qw2G4dH2w/Ufhy1HrZyeI/AAAAAAAACc8/4Oav0QZxFK4/s1600/F-35-Future-Coming-Fast.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChernayaAkula on August 02, 2013, 03:39:42 AM
Photoshopped F-35s to counter Iranian photoshopped missiles?  ;D

Reminds me of the wooden bomb dropped on the wooden airfield decoy!  ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on August 02, 2013, 03:54:43 AM
 :-* at the F-35I

 ;D at the photo.

Someday there will be a PR shoot of every country's F-35 out of Eglin flying formation. betcha, betcha.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on August 02, 2013, 05:51:19 AM
The Future is coming...

([url]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-w9Qw2G4dH2w/Ufhy1HrZyeI/AAAAAAAACc8/4Oav0QZxFK4/s1600/F-35-Future-Coming-Fast.jpg[/url])


Is this a still shot from Ender's game?

At IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1731141/?ref_=sr_1), more stills from the movie.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 15, 2013, 02:35:28 AM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-K79j2Qm6R54/UbZ_aqv5H6I/AAAAAAAAMds/la34bgphVEo/s1600/israeli_f35b.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on November 15, 2013, 02:58:34 AM
Hmm, that one suggests doing it's predecessor, the F/AV-8I.  'Twould look good sitting next to a Harrier FGR.11 at an airshow.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: mrvr6 on November 15, 2013, 03:34:59 AM
:-* at the F-35I

 ;D at the photo.

Someday there will be a PR shoot of every country's F-35 out of Eglin flying formation. betcha, betcha.

has anybody flown a 6 ship formation before apart from the red arrows?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 15, 2013, 04:41:31 AM
has anybody flown a 6 ship formation before apart from the red arrows?

Yes, quite a few in fact, and I think the Thunderbirds do for one. Others would be the Frecce Tricolore and the Patrouille de France as well.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: mrvr6 on November 15, 2013, 05:47:55 AM
has anybody flown a 6 ship formation before apart from the red arrows?

Yes, quite a few in fact, and I think the Thunderbirds do for one. Others would be the Frecce Tricolore and the Patrouille de France as well.

it was a joke
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 15, 2013, 07:33:18 AM
has anybody flown a 6 ship formation before apart from the red arrows?

Yes, quite a few in fact, and I think the Thunderbirds do for one. Others would be the Frecce Tricolore and the Patrouille de France as well.

it was a joke

Ah right. Perhaps a smiley afterward may have clarified that?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: mrvr6 on November 15, 2013, 04:39:35 PM
has anybody flown a 6 ship formation before apart from the red arrows?

Yes, quite a few in fact, and I think the Thunderbirds do for one. Others would be the Frecce Tricolore and the Patrouille de France as well.

it was a joke

Ah right. Perhaps a smiley afterward may have clarified that?

yeh sarcasm is a bugger on tinternet  :P
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 16, 2013, 02:20:50 AM
Chill guys ...and have a laugh:

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1NGuj1icdxXuXH0d8i1MLBhhq1SHsrIN0gPyx87W6DrkZRzW2nA)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: nils on November 16, 2013, 04:59:26 PM
i actually seen that F-35 jr. in real life.
its really tiny, perhaps no bigger then a compact car  ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on November 16, 2013, 05:08:22 PM
Be a blast as flyable kit build !
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 12, 2013, 05:39:45 AM
Real World Whatif-ing in action… ;)

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/JSF-Patch_zps48802a2a.jpeg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on January 27, 2014, 02:17:15 AM
Would this scheme be something close to what the F-35 will get ?

Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 27, 2014, 02:49:29 AM
Possibly, though I think they will look much more like these:

RAF F-35B:

(http://malaysiaflyingherald.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/air_f-35b_raf_bk-1_inaugural_flight_lmco_lg.jpg)

RNLAF F-35A:

(http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx%3Fitemid%3D50085)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on January 27, 2014, 03:08:32 AM
Hmm! I thought that all the panel edges wouldn't be like that on an in-service aircraft.

Another question, do the tailplanes cant upwards a bit ?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 27, 2014, 03:31:31 AM
Hmm! I thought that all the panel edges wouldn't be like that on an in-service aircraft.

I may be wrong, but I suspect they will be.  It isn't really an issue though since if one is close enough to see them, your close enough to see the aircraft... ;)

Another question, do the tailplanes cant upwards a bit ?

I believe you are right.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on January 27, 2014, 03:38:33 AM

Another question, do the tailplanes cant upwards a bit ?

I believe you are right.

I had wondered, I had partly assembled the Fujimi F-35B kit I just got and found that the kit tailplanes canted upwards.  It didn't look right and my photos of the 'B' I saw in Yuma don't really show it too well, the elevators were turned slightly downwards so you couldn't see the dihedral
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 27, 2014, 03:48:28 AM
If you look closely in the attached pics you can just see the slight upward cant.

Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on January 27, 2014, 03:56:57 AM
That head-on photo is interesting Greg, have the insides of the intakes been censored ?  Reason I ask is that on the kit, the intakes are blanked off a few mm's inside the duct which sort of looks like that --
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 27, 2014, 04:06:00 AM
That head-on photo is interesting Greg, have the insides of the intakes been censored ?  Reason I ask is that on the kit, the intakes are blanked off a few mm's inside the duct which sort of looks like that --


Can't talk about the kit, but I don't believe typhoons is censored.  Here is another:

(http://www.aviationnews.eu/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/F-35A-front-taxi1.jpg)

Do remember that they have some pretty severe internal bending though.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 27, 2014, 04:09:28 AM
And another
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on January 27, 2014, 04:11:47 AM
Awesome pics   :)  It looks like my plan to build my kits OOB has just gone out the window, I need to make some intake ducts for them    ;D

These photos seem to emphasize a comment I have made on another thread that I don't see why the kit manufacturers have gone to the bother of producing parts to make the complete engine when there's nothing to see of the fan front --
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 27, 2014, 04:15:22 AM
Or cheat and put intake covers on them. ;)

(http://flores.house.gov/images/user_images/photogallery/Lockheed_Picture.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 27, 2014, 04:47:01 AM
Just a nice image:

(http://www.sldinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Grim-Reapers.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Cliffy B on January 27, 2014, 04:55:43 AM
That is nice!  Plus, it wearing the Grim Reapers livery!!!!  Glad to see them back 8)

Just needs two more wearing these schemes for a family portrait  ;)
(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd126/andymullenuk/misc/BM/f14-photo-vf101-04xl.jpg~original)
(http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/attachments/military-aviation/5746d1159553496-f14-tomcat-retires-grim-reaper3.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 27, 2014, 04:59:22 AM
And one for the "Rivet Counters"  (http://www.sldinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/27-copy.jpg) ;)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on January 27, 2014, 05:18:37 AM
If you look at the F-35B, the intakes on all the variants curve around where the 'B's fan is.  I could see most kits blanking them off there to simplify production.  The real inlets are composite assemblies fabricated by Northrop-Grumman and build on some R&D work done during TSSAM with regard to replacing a metallic casting with a composite assembly.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 27, 2014, 05:37:05 AM
And one for the "Rivet Counters"  ([url]http://www.sldinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/27-copy.jpg[/url]) ;)


WHAT is that? The doors alongside the aft exhaust on a 'B'?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Cliffy B on January 27, 2014, 05:55:03 AM
Can someone explain the patchwork exterior to me please?  The differing colors are due to differing materials correct?  Are those panels and lines not to be painted?  Are they painted with some fancy new RAM paint or something along those lines?

Are there plans to apply camouflage to these birds?  The USN Ghost Gray scheme and the USMC Harrier scheme would look rather nice on them and help break up the solid gray scheme they're currently wearing.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 27, 2014, 07:56:08 AM

WHAT is that? The doors alongside the aft exhaust on a 'B'?

Yes
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 27, 2014, 08:41:12 AM
An old one by a couple of our members:

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b301/damian2/Profiles/My%20Profiles/F-35/F-35A310EsqPoAF.png)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on January 27, 2014, 09:31:34 AM
And one for the "Rivet Counters"  ([url]http://www.sldinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/27-copy.jpg[/url]) ;)


Is there a single door covering the rear exhaust or is that the port side of a split door?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on January 27, 2014, 10:27:30 AM
Split door; they've found that single doors, like that on the nose gear of AA-1 expose a bit too much surface to the wind.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on February 17, 2014, 02:19:34 AM
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By "Doctor who"
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on February 22, 2014, 05:05:33 AM
Something I've found on the internet

(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Misc%20Photos/TF-35A_zps30627daf.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/kitnut617/media/Misc%20Photos/TF-35A_zps30627daf.jpg.html)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on February 22, 2014, 02:26:34 PM
Something I've found on the internet

([url]http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Misc%20Photos/TF-35A_zps30627daf.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s200.photobucket.com/user/kitnut617/media/Misc%20Photos/TF-35A_zps30627daf.jpg.html[/url])

Looks nice, but wouldn't work in real life, the rear seat is too far aft, behind the break between the forward and center sections.  If they did a two-seater, the whole nose would be extended forward with the back seat where the front seat on the single-seater is in relation to, for reference, the inlets.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on February 22, 2014, 07:05:23 PM
Rear seat occupies the space reserved for the lift fan, perhaps?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on February 22, 2014, 10:33:37 PM
Looks nice, but wouldn't work in real life, the rear seat is too far aft, behind the break between the forward and center sections.  If they did a two-seater, the whole nose would be extended forward with the back seat where the front seat on the single-seater is in relation to, for reference, the inlets.

That eliminates that idea then ---   ;D  back to Plan B Evan   ;)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on February 23, 2014, 02:00:19 AM
Rear seat occupies the space reserved for the lift fan, perhaps?
It might, but that's fuel tankage in the other variants and, really, that's a major bulkhead between the LM-Aero-Ft. Worth forward section and the Northrop-Grumman center section.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on February 23, 2014, 09:19:53 AM
Rear seat occupies the space reserved for the lift fan, perhaps?
It might, but that's fuel tankage in the other variants and, really, that's a major bulkhead between the LM-Aero-Ft. Worth forward section and the Northrop-Grumman center section.

Yeah, I know there is a fuel tank there.   If it is a major structural bulkhead then it makes sense to put it in front.  Designing a completely new nose section makes considerably more sense than trying to stuff the cockpits either side.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on March 06, 2014, 02:38:48 AM
(http://atlanticsentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/F-35-Joint-Strike-Fighter.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on March 06, 2014, 02:46:19 AM
I remember reading somewhere that the B model was seen to be particularly suited for use in the future for special models due to the volume and weight of the lift fan.  Remove that and fit a ctol f-135 and you have lots of space and weight for all sorts of goodies.  The was mention of a laser :icon_ninja:

Although an astromech Droid would be interesting too!
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on March 06, 2014, 08:30:03 AM
I remember reading somewhere that the B model was seen to be particularly suited for use in the future for special models due to the volume and weight of the lift fan.  Remove that and fit a ctol f-135 and you have lots of space and weight for all sorts of goodies.  The was mention of a laser :icon_ninja:

Although an astromech Droid would be interesting too!

Yeah, there has been talk of using the turbofan clutch to power a laser firing out of a turret top or bottom.

I'd still go with a C wing.   Better fuel and CTOL take off/landing handling.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 06, 2014, 12:49:17 PM
([url]http://atlanticsentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/F-35-Joint-Strike-Fighter.jpg[/url])

It's been nigh unto six years since I've worked on the F-35 and I can still identify most of those panels on the forward section.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on March 11, 2014, 04:15:59 AM
(http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/F-35-armed.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on March 11, 2014, 07:30:06 AM
Is that the centreline gun pod?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on March 11, 2014, 11:57:16 AM
Am I really seeing a purple canopy frame?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 11, 2014, 05:01:28 PM
Is that the centreline gun pod?

Yes.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 12, 2014, 11:38:03 AM
Am I really seeing a purple canopy frame?
that's seen through the tinted canopy, so I doubt the actual color is purple.  I'd hazard a guess that it's some shade of gray.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 13, 2014, 02:45:55 AM
(http://www.codeonemagazine.com/images/media/2014_F35A_6GBU12_Load_14J00011_18_1267828237_5213.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on March 13, 2014, 06:37:40 AM
Hmmm....judging from that photo, the best way to show off a F-35 model may be gender side up. 
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on March 13, 2014, 07:35:08 AM
What are the tubes out the back of the stores pylons for?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 13, 2014, 10:21:20 AM
What are the tubes out the back of the stores pylons for?
Not sure, but the stores use pneumatic ejection rather than electro-explosive and they may be related to that.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on March 13, 2014, 08:59:05 PM
What are the tubes out the back of the stores pylons for?
Not sure, but the stores use pneumatic ejection rather than electro-explosive and they may be related to that.

Flare dispenser perhaps, or chaff  ----
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 14, 2014, 02:10:19 AM
What are the tubes out the back of the stores pylons for?


Which tubes?

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/F-35BweaponUnder_zps0b118a3f.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/F-35-pylons-closeup_zps29aaf3a4.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/f_35weaponexternalunderzoom2_119_zpsf04778a2.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/f_35weaponexternalunderzoom_321_zpscb8b885b.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on March 14, 2014, 06:07:37 AM
The little holes right at the end of the pylon Greg, only in these pics we can see they're not tubes ---  :-X

They actually look like the location hole for the rear support sprag on a fuel tank
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on March 14, 2014, 12:17:10 PM
Correct me if I am wrong.  I suspect the little holes you are referring to at the tail end of each stores pylon is for the pivot point on the drop tanks that can be carried on those four stations.  By pivot point I am referring to the part of the fuel tank that has a device that insures the tank fully pivots away from the airframe when the fuel tanks are jettisoned.  Same devices are used on the F-15, F-4 (with F-15 centerline tank), and the F-18 for good examples of this feature.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on March 14, 2014, 04:25:29 PM
So, an optical illusion, hey?  Obviously part of the stealth features?  ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChernayaAkula on March 15, 2014, 02:08:52 AM
Correct me if I am wrong.  I suspect the little holes you are referring to at the tail end of each stores pylon is for the pivot point on the drop tanks that can be carried on those four stations.  By pivot point I am referring to the part of the fuel tank that has a device that insures the tank fully pivots away from the airframe when the fuel tanks are jettisoned.  Same devices are used on the F-15, F-4 (with F-15 centerline tank), and the F-18 for good examples of this feature.


My thought as well.  ;)

This drawing seems to confirm that idea.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HOlLLVx2yIM/URl6FftMkbI/AAAAAAAAB9E/-x2cd6NJ3Co/s1600/f_35externalfueltank_177.jpg)
SOURCE (http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.de/2013/02/combat-air-situation-f35.html)

Although I find it interesting that they didn't go the F-22 route and developed a tank with its own integral pylon that comes off with the tank.
Then again, with all the internal fuel, maybe the thinking is that these tanks will be used for ferry flights only. In case of which developing and  testing (especially separation) such a tank/pylon combo that would leave a clean wing would be a waste of money.

Speaking of F-22 and drop tanks, here's a nice sequence of shots:

(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4846/04e0130006qm0.jpg)
(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1518/04e0130007pu4.jpg)
(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9716/04e0130008uk8.jpg)
SOURCE (http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=141015&sid=df079257dbb8923cd0346b436f3dfcf8#p141015)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 15, 2014, 02:48:27 AM
I think part of it is that the two aircraft use different stores ejection systems and the pneumatic one for the F-35 needs to retain the pylons (pneumatic vs. electro-explosive reduces potential hazards; EED's come with some real concerns about both static electricity and other sources).
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 15, 2014, 03:09:10 AM
Robert asked me about the F-35 landing gear retraction sequence - I figured others might also be curious so am posting this here:

Lockheed Martin F-35 JSF gears up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfD63we7Ptw#ws)

Note that the main wheels do twist as they retract:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/xu-an/f-35_af3_low.jpg)

I also understand that the legs shorten during retraction but perhaps Evan can confirm this.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on March 15, 2014, 03:56:31 AM
Thanks Greg, and that's really interesting.  The forward diagonal strut points in the other direction to an F-14 or A-6, but the wheel still turns upwards --- hmm!  think about this I will ----  :icon_meditation:


Unless the strut folds away above the leg instead of along side the leg --- hmm!  maybe that's how it's done ---
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 15, 2014, 04:42:47 AM
I also understand that the legs shorten during retraction but perhaps Evan can confirm this.
Sorry, didn't have much to do with the landing gear.  I was mainly involved with the forward fuselage, especially the equipment bays.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 12, 2014, 05:12:31 AM
Don't you just love the low viz RAF markings... ;)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/01/article-2594439-1CBE758900000578-223_964x685.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/01/article-2594439-1CBE773600000578-808_964x601.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on April 13, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7343/11820126394_4ed3201147_c.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on April 15, 2014, 12:26:38 AM
Are there any good photos of the cockpit anywhere, just need to see what colours the cockpit is ---
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 15, 2014, 02:25:35 AM
Are there any good photos of the cockpit anywhere, just need to see what colours the cockpit is ---


Plenty of photos if you do a Google image search on "F-35 Cockpit" - it is mostly black and grey (almost TIE Fighter like) though as seen here:

(http://www.darkgovernment.com/images/f35-interface.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on April 15, 2014, 03:10:00 AM
Thanks Greg, I'll do a search.  The Fujimi kit has 'all' the cockpit flat black and also the instrument panel decals are mostly black too.  I had a thought the tub etc, would have been a grey of some sort which your pic seems to show.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Diamondback on April 15, 2014, 03:13:14 AM
Looks like the standard US military cockpit combo of FS's 36231 (standard interior gray) and 17038 ("interior black"/"cockpit black") to my eye... then again, my eye ain't perfect. LOL
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on April 16, 2014, 11:04:34 PM
Looking at my Humbrol 'Colour System' book Diamondback, FS 17038 converts to H21 which is Gloss Black.  The photo of the cockpit doesn't really show gloss black, maybe satin black but I really suspect it's flat black 
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 25, 2014, 02:51:45 AM
(http://nickdwyer.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/f-35d.jpg)

Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Diamondback on April 25, 2014, 03:02:04 AM
OOPS! Said 17038 which is Gloss, was thinking 37031, which is a little more gray than 37038 but even less reflective. Brainfart on my end.

*eats humble pie*
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: mrvr6 on April 25, 2014, 04:46:56 AM
i hope it works but its still fugly!
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on April 25, 2014, 10:18:38 AM
([url]http://nickdwyer.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/f-35d.jpg[/url])

Looks nice but won't work as depicted.  Given the way the aircraft breaks down, you need to move the front cockpit and nose forward to allow the second cockpit to be in front of the major break frame between the LM-Fort Worth-built forward section and the Northrop-Grumman-built intake section.  Seriously, though, I'd love to see them do a two-seater but if they go with a single-piece canopy like the single-seater aircraft, the mechanism is really going to be beefy for the longer canopy.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 26, 2014, 03:04:22 AM
Yeah, I know.  I didn't actually do the image - I simply found and posted for inspiration. ;)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on April 26, 2014, 04:10:23 AM
Reality be damned!  That two seater looks damned good!  :)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 26, 2014, 04:17:04 AM
Hmmm…maybe we need to do one using the forthcoming KittyHawk F-35C kit.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on April 26, 2014, 02:30:55 PM
Yeah, I know.  I didn't actually do the image - I simply found and posted for inspiration. ;)
Oh, I agree and the prelim. concepts I saw while there looked even better.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on April 26, 2014, 02:32:41 PM
Yeah, I know.  I didn't actually do the image - I simply found and posted for inspiration. ;)
Oh, I agree and the prelim. concepts I saw while there looked even better.

You sir, are a cruel tease 
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on April 26, 2014, 02:49:34 PM
Who is also bound, beyond a certain point, by security oaths.  I will point out, though, that the "hump" contours of the F-35B could give you a good start toward the aft cockpit, even if you have a fuel cell in place of the lift fan.  Also, consider the "swoop" of the cockpits of the F-5F as a guide to a suitable configuration that would maintain the chine line.  The two-seater doesn't necessarily need to have the back seat higher (I don't think the Hawk back seat is much higher than the front and the MB.326 is the same way).
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on April 26, 2014, 06:31:52 PM
Why not simply graft a longer nose on the F-35, in front of the bulkhead.   You'd have your lift-fan and the "hump" would be similar to the F/A-18s.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on April 26, 2014, 08:48:12 PM
Something I've been trying to do Brian, but there's a lot of compound curves which means a total new forward fuselage to get it right.

To add to Evan's comment about two-seaters not having to have a raised rear seat --- F-14, F-15, F-18, Tornado, Typhoon, Jaguar, Gripen -----
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on April 27, 2014, 01:35:23 AM
Who is also bound, beyond a certain point, by security oaths.  I will point out, though, that the "hump" contours of the F-35B could give you a good start toward the aft cockpit, even if you have a fuel cell in place of the lift fan.  Also, consider the "swoop" of the cockpits of the F-5F as a guide to a suitable configuration that would maintain the chine line.  The two-seater doesn't necessarily need to have the back seat higher (I don't think the Hawk back seat is much higher than the front and the MB.326 is the same way).

Oh I understand  :) And thank you for the ideas
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 17, 2014, 03:31:41 AM
Quote
Jump jets on Defence radar
NICK BUTTERLY CANBERRA
The West Australian
May 17, 2014, 2:10 am

Australia could buy "jump-jet" Joint Strike Fighters to base aboard new landing ships, giving the nation its first aircraft carrier since the early 1980s.

Defence Minister David Johnston told The Weekend West _the Government was considering buying the "B" model of the F-35 - a specialised variant of the stealth jet being built to operate from aircraft carriers.

Last month, Australia committed to buying 72 of the conventional model F-35s from US aircraft manufacturer Lockheed Martin at a cost of almost $20 billion.

But the Government has left the door open to buying more F-35s and the minister says the F-35B will be considered.

"Now that aircraft is more expensive, does not have the range but it's an option that has been considered from day one," Senator Johnston said.

The F-35B has a shortened take-off distance and can land vertically, just like the legendary Harrier jump jet.

The British Navy and the US Marines are buying the F-35B to station aboard aircraft carriers.

Australia is soon to bring into service two large ships called landing helicopter docks. Though they resemble small aircraft carriers, the Government has maintained until now they would be used only to deploy helicopters and troops.

Senator Johnston said stationing the F-35 aboard an LHD would be costly and technically challenging, but it could be done.

"The deck strength is there for such an aircraft," he said.

The Hawke government mothballed Australia's last aircraft carrier, HMAS Melbourne, in 1982.

Commissioning an aircraft carrier is considered a significant strategic statement of military might by a country.

China recently launched its first aircraft carrier. The sea trials are being watched closely.

The F-35B has less range than the conventional F-35 owing to the complex systems of jets used to allow it to land vertically.

The B variant has been the most trouble-plagued of the three F-35 models. Testing was stalled this year after cracks were discovered in the aircrafts' bulkheads.

The F-35 will replace Australia's fleet of F/A-18A/B Classic Hornet aircraft, due to be withdrawn in 2022.

 Damn!  Maybe that KittyHawk F-35B I have will become a real world build after all...;)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on May 17, 2014, 05:39:52 PM
Very interesting and considering Chinas sabre rattling of late.  Maybe my postulations that Australia should look at a couple of Hyuga type DDHs as replacements for the Adelaide Class FFGs or some of the ANZAC Class FFGHs will get up next.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 18, 2014, 03:07:09 AM
(http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/4648/f35eda.jpg)
 ;)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 18, 2014, 03:07:50 AM
(http://fsbrasil.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/fab_iris_f-35_poster-b.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on June 27, 2014, 09:46:21 PM
http://media.dma.mil/2013/Sep/16/2000711569/-1/-1/0/130620-D-FW736-029.JPG (http://media.dma.mil/2013/Sep/16/2000711569/-1/-1/0/130620-D-FW736-029.JPG)

http://media.dma.mil/2014/May/30/2000798432/-1/-1/0/140521-F-SG137-060.JPG (http://media.dma.mil/2014/May/30/2000798432/-1/-1/0/140521-F-SG137-060.JPG)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 16, 2014, 02:50:28 AM
Not a plane but a car painted to match:

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/dmm6ucislpbor8ol7nw0.jpg)
(http://www.aviationnews.eu/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/F-35C-Navy.jpg)

Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on July 21, 2014, 07:48:01 PM
Smallest model of F-35C?

(https://images2.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/625x465_359725_143473_1401123082.jpg)

1/285 scale, printed at shapeways.   :D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on July 21, 2014, 08:49:12 PM
Nope! 1/350 I think is the smallest

Model 1/350 QE built by Davecov on The Airfix Tribute Forum
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: mrvr6 on July 22, 2014, 04:30:39 AM
they look like cgi
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Flyer on July 22, 2014, 11:06:44 AM
Here's the Lockheed Martin YF-45A Starbolt, a small fighter derived from the F-35...

([url]http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/081/3/3/lockheed_martin_f_45_starbolt_by_bispro-d3c7g5h.jpg[/url])



Where is the intake/s on this?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on July 22, 2014, 03:38:20 PM
I knew we forgot something...  ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on July 22, 2014, 09:42:06 PM
they look like cgi

It does too, but I assure you it isn't.  This model was on the table in the VIP room when the Queen named the ship last week (or was that the week before)

link to the build:

http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=331&t=25252 (http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=331&t=25252)

1/350 F-35C:

http://www.freetimehobbies.com/1-350-orange-hobby-lockheed-martin-f-35c-2-groups/ (http://www.freetimehobbies.com/1-350-orange-hobby-lockheed-martin-f-35c-2-groups/)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Flyer on July 23, 2014, 10:34:46 AM
I knew we forgot something...  ;D
Lol OK so it's a modified picture, rather realistic though as I thought it was a real aircraft to be whiffed, with hidden intakes ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on July 24, 2014, 01:00:20 AM
(http://th07.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2012/220/9/c/f_35a_splinter_1_by_agnott-d5abith.jpg)
WMD scheme found on Deviantart

(http://th07.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2012/227/7/e/f_35c_tomcatters_1_by_agnott-d5b6r7n.jpg)

(http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2012/225/3/3/f_35c_jolly_rogers_1_by_agnott-d5ayfvb.jpg)

more from the same person
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 24, 2014, 04:36:29 PM
Quote
RAAF F-35 previewed ahead of AU-1 rollout

Lockheed Martin has previewed the second F-35A for the RAAF a day ahead of a formal rollout of Australia’s first aircraft in a ceremony due to take place at the company’s Fort Worth facility on Thursday.

The second jet, AU-2, was previewed to media on Wednesday ahead of the formal rollout of aircraft AU-1, and wears the standard F-35 grey paint scheme with ‘low vis’ RAAF roundels, serial number A35-002 and tail markings for the RAAF’s 2 Operational Conversion Unit (2OCU).

AU-1, meanwhile, will be formally unveiled on Thursday in a ceremony due to be attended by Chief of Air Force Air Marshal Geoff Brown, F-35 program executive officer LtGen Chris Bogdan, US Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics Frank Kendall and Lockheed Martin’s executive vice president and general manager of the F-35 program, Lorraine Martin.


(http://australianaviation.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/IMG_1919-crop.jpg)
(http://australianaviation.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/IMG_1906-crop.jpg)
(http://australianaviation.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/IMG_1903-crop.jpg)

http://australianaviation.com.au/2014/07/raaf-f-35-previewed-ahead-of-au-1-rollout/ (http://australianaviation.com.au/2014/07/raaf-f-35-previewed-ahead-of-au-1-rollout/)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on July 26, 2014, 10:59:37 PM
 :-* Gorgeous  :-*


(http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/F_35_RAF_Engine_Burn_Wide.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 12, 2015, 02:00:34 AM
Cool photo:

(http://alert5.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/F-35A-Weapons-Carriage.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on March 12, 2015, 11:38:45 AM
Those aren't cluster bombs, are they?  :o
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on March 12, 2015, 10:11:56 PM
Those aren't cluster bombs, are they?  :o


Looks like GBUs, JDAMs and SDBs. Cluster bombs have fallen out of favor by the west at least. They are a monster to clean up

(http://www.codeonemagazine.com/images/media/2015_F35C_15P00124_08_1267828237_5866.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: mrvr6 on March 13, 2015, 05:57:22 AM
is the stealth instantly buggered when they hang stuff off it externally?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on March 13, 2015, 08:04:59 AM
For the umpteenth time, the all internal weapons 'stealth-mode' was only ever intended for the
opening phases of a conflict, once 'the balloon is up' the aircraft switches to standard eternal
weapons heavy hauler mode. The Low Observability aka 'stealth' features/capability being
built in eliminates the need for a specialized, and otherwise basically useless, 'pure stealth' machine
like the F-117.

This is old info that has been repeatedly stated going back to the original JAST and
JSF concept stages well over twenty years ago.
 :-X
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on March 13, 2015, 09:44:45 AM
is the stealth instantly buggered when they hang stuff off it externally?

Depends on what they hang off, while JCF is correct, the F-35 and the F-22 were never intended to be stealthy all the time, they were intended to be stealthy at least part of the time.  The more facets the object hanging below the wing has, the less stealthy the object (ie F-35) will be.  Hanging a single AIM-9X off the wing will make it still semi-stealthy compared to a JDAM.  Which is why it will be stealthy on day one and by day three, it won't.   ;)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 13, 2015, 11:55:35 AM
Hmm, wonder if you could develop LO pylons for carrying JASSM rounds which are already somewhat stealthy themselves (not as much as the cancelled TSSAM, but reasonably so, from the front and sides).
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on March 18, 2015, 12:09:08 AM
is the stealth instantly buggered when they hang stuff off it externally?

Its flexibility.  :) F-35 can do both, few other fighters have the option at all

Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 03, 2015, 05:17:16 AM
A couple of close up shots in case anyone wants to super detail:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-u4bhbb-I5qA/VSu8kLBAvvI/AAAAAAAAFI0/wX-5RMX6EgY/s1600/1625988.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YLmjbNES4-M/VPeSfKDd0hI/AAAAAAAAFBY/imXCliJWC2Q/s1600/573raytheon-sdb-ii-pic-1.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FzjITIrpyaY/VMERGPdF6SI/AAAAAAAAE4k/MHms3-HX_D4/s1600/fuel%2Bimpressed.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-O8Yh22jRvSk/VOtAQwTZChI/AAAAAAAAE_Q/HIf8ME30ig0/s1600/F-35A-Front.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 03, 2015, 05:19:12 AM
:-* Gorgeous  :-*


([url]http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/F_35_RAF_Engine_Burn_Wide.jpg[/url])


I have this one on a poster on the wall of my office at work. ;)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on May 03, 2015, 08:50:43 AM
In case anyone is wondering, the access panel in front of the inlet and under the cockpit canopy is the boarding ladder.  There are panels forward of that which give access to the forward equipment bays.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on May 13, 2015, 07:28:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ2uqgpTIC0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ2uqgpTIC0)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on June 07, 2015, 02:37:35 AM
(http://www.janetairlines.com/vlb2/data/images2/f35_vx9_cu.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 07, 2015, 03:24:16 AM
 :)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 20, 2015, 02:49:53 AM
F-35C carrier trials:

https://youtu.be/STWQh4NTurg
https://youtu.be/QA4vpvQR_m0
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on September 08, 2015, 01:29:14 AM
http://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=21510&t=1 (http://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=21510&t=1)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: arkon on September 08, 2015, 08:55:44 AM
How about skyhook and f-35 or did I miss that already
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on October 12, 2015, 11:13:39 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yrtMkdMGiYA/Veh-lVaXtPI/AAAAAAAABb4/_L7nXF7Z-t0/s1600/Lightning%2BII.bmp)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Alvis 3.1 on October 13, 2015, 04:48:17 AM
Cool image, the numbers on the plane don't match up though. The nose numbers should be the final 3  of the tail numbers, anything beginning with 100 is a CF-100, and we'd likely just call it the CF-35, like we call the CF-188s "CF-18s" and the CF-116 the "F-5" or "CF-5"


Other than that though, it's great!
 :D


Alvis 3.1
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on October 15, 2015, 03:26:37 AM
Looks pretty sharp indeed (other than those little details you noted Alvis)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5614/15771424831_f37682b9d9_c.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/287/19472915425_04cd37bccf_b.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3882/18850514114_f2f84a3565_b.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/513/19477527641_e4e0d05fd8_b.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 17, 2016, 07:20:26 AM
Anyone want to super detail their F-35 kit?  If so, check out these:  http://www.shop2000.com.tw/KASLHOBBY/product/p12540286 (http://www.shop2000.com.tw/KASLHOBBY/product/p12540286)

As an example, here is their 1/48 weapons bay: 

(http://61.63.55.131/54143/product_10651257_o_5.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on January 17, 2016, 08:49:26 AM
The rumour is that the Canadian F-35A's will be cancelled, and the money spent on new ships for the Navy.  But it might not be as simple as what the new Government thinks it is, so what-if the Government bought ships like Australia did, the new aircraft carriers (I know they're not really aircraft carriers, just look like one). Then Canada would get the F-35B -------------
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 30, 2016, 04:37:03 AM
The rumour is that the Canadian F-35A's will be cancelled, and the money spent on new ships for the Navy.  But it might not be as simple as what the new Government thinks it is, so what-if the Government bought ships like Australia did, the new aircraft carriers (I know they're not really aircraft carriers, just look like one). Then Canada would get the F-35B -------------



Ha! I like that


Italeri has announced a 1/32 F-35A!!


(http://londonist-static.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/A-Lot-of-Hot-Air-by-Roy-Huxley-GAvA-496x500.jpg)

(http://digital-art-gallery.com/oid/120/1600x860_20602_F_35_Ulix_2d_sci_fi_spaceship_aircraft_picture_image_digital_art.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 30, 2016, 05:30:04 AM
 :-\ ???
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 30, 2016, 05:33:28 AM
New kit coming for those who like to play big:

(http://data6.primeportal.net/models/thomas_voigt10/italeri/images/italeri_02_of_12.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 30, 2016, 05:40:17 AM
The rumour is that the Canadian F-35A's will be cancelled, and the money spent on new ships for the Navy.  But it might not be as simple as what the new Government thinks it is, so what-if the Government bought ships like Australia did, the new aircraft carriers (I know they're not really aircraft carriers, just look like one). Then Canada would get the F-35B -------------



([url]http://digital-art-gallery.com/oid/120/1600x860_20602_F_35_Ulix_2d_sci_fi_spaceship_aircraft_picture_image_digital_art.jpg[/url])


What is this butt ugly beast with F-18 and TSR.2 landing gear?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 06, 2016, 04:20:37 AM
One to drive some people crazy...

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxNjAw/z/tKQAAOSwmmxW2kAY/$_57.JPG)

Available here (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Custom-Made-RCN-Royal-Canadian-Navy-Lockheed-F-35-HMCS-Bonaventure-Resin-1-200-/172122976775?hash=item2813543207:g:tKQAAOSwmmxW2kAY)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on March 06, 2016, 04:38:28 AM
Saw my second F-35B last Saturday while down in Yuma AZ.  Not flying but on static display as the base had an open day. It looked 'well-used' too, judging by the grime on the u/c legs and any of the bay doors that were open.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on March 06, 2016, 04:39:29 AM
Italeri has announced a 1/32 F-35A!!

([url]http://londonist-static.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/A-Lot-of-Hot-Air-by-Roy-Huxley-GAvA-496x500.jpg[/url])



But that is a F-35B   ???
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on March 06, 2016, 04:49:38 AM
Italeri has announced a 1/32 F-35A!!

([url]http://londonist-static.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/A-Lot-of-Hot-Air-by-Roy-Huxley-GAvA-496x500.jpg[/url])



But that is a F-35B   ???


unrelated!  ;D

Figured someone else would post the box art
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 15, 2016, 05:06:25 AM
Gratuitous gun firing shot...

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/F35%20firing%20gun.jpg~original)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: KiwiZac on May 20, 2016, 12:49:08 PM
Wicked!!!
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 21, 2016, 04:09:45 AM
A pair for you Zac:

(http://combatace.com/uploads/monthly_06_2014/post-59028-0-01092800-1403326555.jpg)
(http://combatace.com/uploads/monthly_06_2014/post-59028-0-24335600-1403326560.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 21, 2016, 04:25:07 AM
A different scheme - somewhat retro:

(http://pre14.deviantart.net/5cef/th/pre/f/2012/225/a/c/f_35b_raf_2_sqn_cammo_by_agnott-d5ayfqv.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 21, 2016, 04:41:06 AM
(http://orig09.deviantart.net/94cc/f/2012/123/4/6/red_arrows_fly_f_35_lightening_ii_by_ghufranali-d4yh14w.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 21, 2016, 04:54:59 AM
Some more retro ones:

(http://pre14.deviantart.net/b7eb/th/pre/f/2012/225/9/a/f_35c_jolly_rogers_2_by_agnott-d5ayfxu.jpg)
(http://pre13.deviantart.net/c0ae/th/pre/f/2012/227/7/e/f_35c_tomcatters_1_by_agnott-d5b6r7n.jpg)
(http://pre12.deviantart.net/085f/th/pre/f/2012/225/0/3/f_35c_sundowners_1_by_agnott-d5ayg11.jpg)
(http://pre03.deviantart.net/9492/th/pre/f/2012/223/9/4/f_35a_faa_899sqn_by_agnott-d5apzoz.jpg)
(http://pre06.deviantart.net/bfa6/th/pre/f/2012/224/2/d/f_35a_idf_by_agnott-d5at70h.jpg)
(http://pre10.deviantart.net/ca30/th/pre/f/2012/224/4/4/f_35a_idf_by_agnott-d5at6yp.jpg)
(http://pre10.deviantart.net/3928/th/pre/f/2012/220/9/c/f_35a_splinter_1_by_agnott-d5abith.jpg)
(http://pre11.deviantart.net/1693/th/pre/f/2012/223/7/9/f_35a_jasdf_aggressor_blue_by_agnott-d5apzlu.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on May 21, 2016, 07:11:14 AM
Some of those are deja vu all over again.  ;D

http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=273.msg75196#msg75196 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=273.msg75196#msg75196)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 21, 2016, 07:13:59 AM
 :-[
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Kelmola on May 22, 2016, 01:23:44 AM
"Fields & Meadows" looks particularly good on the F-35 :)

Then again, it looks particularly good on anything... :P
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 23, 2016, 02:38:15 AM
(https://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/F-16-Thunderbirds-F-35.jpg) (https://youtu.be/Wwne-CM4sf4)

Click on image to see video of same.  The ending is quite inspiring.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 24, 2016, 02:25:52 AM
First Israeli F-35

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/image.jpg1_2.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on June 26, 2016, 09:11:21 AM
Whenever I see a upper 3/4 view from slightly behind, I think this should be Bruce Wayne's new Batplane!
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on July 20, 2016, 10:14:17 PM
(http://www.iaf.org.il/SIP_STORAGE/FILES/1/71201.jpg)

IDFAF tail design, by Ra'anan Weiss


Quote
Stealth Tail
The "Adir" will be the first stealth fighter in the IAF and upon its landing it will bring new abilities to the force. In order to design a tail for a stealth fighter, while considering its different characteristics and without damaging its unique abilities, careful work with suitable means is necessary.

Ra'anan Weiss, a graphic designer that has been working with the IAF for many years and that has designed many squadron symbols and aircraft tails in the past 25 years, explains the story behind the design of the "Adir" tails. "The squadron approached me to design a new symbol for them in preparation for the arrival of the jets and afterwards it was decided that I would design the jets' tail as well", Weiss shared. "Because it is a stealth fighter, it cannot be painted in regular colors that are usually used. The Americans defined one hue of grey, which doesn't damage the jet's stealth, with which we will paint all of the markings. They are currently developing more hues which will be usable on the jets".

The background of the "Golden Eagle" Squadron's symbol is colored in black and in the center of the symbol there is a yellow bird and behind it green lines that create a 3-D sensation, so it looks like the bird is coming closer. The frame of the symbol is grey and indicates the color of the "Adir" jets. "The artistic background for the tail design was the squadron symbol that I designed. The bird in the symbol is the same bird from the squadron's old symbol, which we modernized. I kept its general guidelines but sharpened the wings and feathers and created ‘shoulders', so it would look like the F-35I. The new bird has elements that imply to fighter jets and attack".


http://m.iaf.org.il/2392-46855-en/IAF.aspx (http://m.iaf.org.il/2392-46855-en/IAF.aspx)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 23, 2016, 02:57:47 AM
Just a nice photo:

(http://images.defence.gov.au/fotoweb/cache/5003/DefenceImagery/2016/S20161721/20160710raaf8485160_0092.t578303e6.m2400.x6aedd880.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on July 26, 2016, 03:40:40 AM
(http://home.bt.com/images/dambusters-136406127847103901-160516152159.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on July 30, 2016, 10:32:21 AM
(http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s750x750/sh0.08/e35/13721141_1752220831726774_914561713_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTI5MzY3Nzg2OTQ0NDM5MDE3MQ%3D%3D.2)

(http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s750x750/sh0.08/e35/13694716_317738391895045_1708560311_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTMwMzExNTA2Nzg5ODA0NjQ5MA%3D%3D.2)

(http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s750x750/sh0.08/e35/13744072_1746795938920553_234520776_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTMwNTExODkxNzY1NTYxNzMzMQ%3D%3D.2)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on July 30, 2016, 08:25:36 PM
I see that top pic is the Brit one, I wondered when they would use the weapons bay doors as a down thrust deflector strake ----
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 30, 2016, 10:54:36 PM
Despite the dreams of some that Israeli F-35s might look like this:

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/image.jpg1_5.jpg)

The Israelis have stuck to the mantra of "you can have any colour you like so long as it is grey":

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/image.jpg2.jpg)
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/image.jpg3.jpg)
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/image.jpg4.jpg)
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/image.jpg5.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: CiTrus90 on August 02, 2016, 12:11:47 AM
Despite the dreams of some that Israeli F-35s might look like this:
The Israelis have stuck to the mantra of "you can have any colour you like so long as it is grey":

I BAKED YOU A PIE (https://youtu.be/hgV8mB-M9po)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on August 19, 2016, 01:25:12 AM
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8354/28412573513_f8418d99f9_b.jpg)

3 of the 6 F-35s out on ship trials for DT III
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Logan Hartke on August 19, 2016, 01:44:45 AM
It'll never work.  ;)

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on August 19, 2016, 02:09:42 AM
It'll never work.  ;)

Cheers,

Logan

LOL :)  its pretty cool with that many aircraft in frame and all the sailors mulling around, it already looks like its in regular service  ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 19, 2016, 02:26:29 AM
Damn glue got everywhere... ;)

(http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/lockheed/us/news/features/2015/f-35-climatic-testing.image.1170.400.high.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 19, 2016, 02:47:20 AM
3 of the 6 F-35s out on ship trials for DT III


Here's 5:

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/28431774153_3bcd7954dd_o.jpg)

And a video showing some of the operations:

http://c.brightcove.com/services/mobile/streaming/index/master.m3u8?videoId=5085121044001&pubId=77374810001 (http://c.brightcove.com/services/mobile/streaming/index/master.m3u8?videoId=5085121044001&pubId=77374810001)

More pictures here (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lockheedmartin/sets/72157669446446264)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 19, 2016, 02:50:26 AM
First Japanese F-35:

(http://www.janes.com/images/assets/957/62957/1684106_-_main.jpg)

Yep, all grey again...
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChernayaAkula on August 19, 2016, 03:23:19 AM
"Ugh, guys? I'm tryna land here! Do you wanna get out of the way?"

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8354/28412573513_f8418d99f9_b.jpg)

Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 19, 2016, 03:28:31 AM
I seem to recall an early painting of the JSF looking exactly like that photo
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 20, 2016, 06:36:24 AM
More video:

https://youtu.be/t98FRkIRFks
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on August 20, 2016, 07:17:37 AM
The more I look at the F-35A from the top, the more I see an anime crustacean of sorts.   :icon_surprised: ;D ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 20, 2016, 07:17:46 AM
And yet another - much longer and more detailed this time.

https://youtu.be/aBP1wU6lHE4

I really like the appearance of the F-35C. :)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 28, 2016, 05:45:36 AM
More of the first Japanese F-35:

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/Japans%20first%20F35.jpg)
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/Japans%20first%20F35JASDF%20AX-1%20FF1.jpg)

Yep, still all grey! ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on August 28, 2016, 08:50:12 AM
Last picture clearly taken in Fort Worth, I believe I recognize the area in the background.

Be interesting to see who else buys them; I'm wondering if re-organized Turkey will still be interested.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 29, 2016, 03:35:26 AM
Be interesting to see who else buys them; I'm wondering if re-organized Turkey will still be interested.

Well Turkey is still a partner so I believe they will.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on December 14, 2016, 05:44:43 AM
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5126bbb4e4b08c2e6d1cb6e4/t/584f2a53d482e97e9fe378a3/1481583204137/)

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-584f22af/turbine/hc-israel-f-35-20161212)

first F-35I's land in Israel

Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 12, 2017, 04:41:52 AM
F-35 goes to Japan


(https://d2feh2mec89yza.cloudfront.net/media/thumbs/photos/1701/3092187/1000w_q95.jpg)

NORTH PACIFIC OCEAN – Marine Corps F-35Bs from Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 121, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, transit the Pacific from Marine Corps Air Station Yuma, Ariz., to Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson, Alaska, Jan. 9, 2017, with its final destination of Iwakuni, Japan. VMFA-121 is the first operational F-35B squadron assigned to the Fleet Marine Force, with its relocation to 1st Marine Aircraft Wing at Iwakuni.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on January 12, 2017, 08:49:20 AM
I saw a video of them on the Secret Projects Forum, I noticed that they had the panel tape painted over ---
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 02, 2017, 03:39:57 AM
RAAF's first two F-35's last month:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7f3-L0XwAA_S-x.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on April 24, 2017, 03:58:30 AM
Would anyone know if the F-35 is using drop tanks right now ?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 24, 2017, 03:59:52 AM
I believe it is planned though I have not seen an actual photo with such to date.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 24, 2017, 04:03:42 AM
Of course, one could get silly:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ljG1ebcyZc4/UYVFSLIS86I/AAAAAAAABUU/bFvyVXdNVA0/s1600/F-35+FSTs.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on April 24, 2017, 04:07:25 AM
I didn't think they were using them, had some silly bugger on the Secret Project Forum complaining that the recent deployment they had to be refueled nine times to cross the Atlantic. I pointed out they came from Hill AFB and didn't have drop tanks.

I can get these 1/72 tanks for my models though, which seem to be what the current idea is for them.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 24, 2017, 04:51:14 AM
Yeah, I saw that.  Interesting how some people take anything they can to twist a negative story related to the F-35...whilst ignoring what the alternatives offer (or don't offer).  Moreover, the F-35 is very early in its service life.  Obviously Air Forces are more conservative at this stage - just witness a F-35 air show display compared to other platforms.  This isn't that the other platforms are more manoeuvrable bit that they are just not fully cleared re envelope and that the pilots are still earlier on in their experience with said aircraft.   
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on April 25, 2017, 01:38:00 AM
I didn't think they were using them, had some silly bugger on the Secret Project Forum complaining that the recent deployment they had to be refueled nine times to cross the Atlantic. I pointed out they came from Hill AFB and didn't have drop tanks.



sigh,

http://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=23482 (http://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=23482)

Ignorant people, say ignorant things. It wasn't a "straight shot" and they are topped off when they are "half empty" in order to maintain options in case of diversion...

cool drop tanks though  :)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Kelmola on April 25, 2017, 04:43:45 AM
F-35 hating is a meme by now. Funny thing is, the former punching bag F-22 is now seen by as perfection itself (probably by the very same folks that loved to hate it), even though it had its share of problems as well.

People just find it difficult to accept that the more systems one integrates with an aircraft, the longer the development will take. It might have taken 15 months from the flight of the first prototype to becoming operational back in WW2, but already by 1970's it easily took 5+ years, by 1990's 10+ years (and this is not counting preceding development time!), so ~15 years is not that unreasonable especially since F-35 tries to do several things never attempted before (like virtual 360 degree field of vision, total sensor fusion, using the radar as an ECM and ELINT device, potentially being a controller for a swarm of UCAV's, and so forth).
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on April 25, 2017, 08:47:11 AM
Amen brother.  :icon_meditation:
The same is true of new airliners, the average punter just doesn't
understand what it takes to incorporate all the crap they now expect
to entertain their asses on the flight and make the damned things
economically viable.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on April 26, 2017, 05:06:54 AM
Kelmola and JCF, true on both counts. Whats galling with the F-22 comparison is they are making the same arguments, falling into the same lies and BS and red herrings with the F-22 a few years ago (they got what they wanted, there were F-22s in the end) yet calling for more F-22s that are now perfect to be built after campaigning against them for years!!

(http://i.imgur.com/Myg38RZ.jpg)


In other very topical F-35 news, F-35 schemes just got a lot easier:

(http://i.imgur.com/j98hikP.jpg)


There is a new look coming to the F-35 later in the year! With a sleeker, more uniform coating system, F-35s are saving time in Aircraft Final Finishes (AFF) and saving dollars. The design and new look didn’t happen overnight, but rather was the effort of many people over the last five years.

In 2012, James Thistle came to Fort Worth from F-22 in Marietta as the Production Operations Senior Manager in AFF. He quickly recognized the need for improving the throughput of AFF, which at the time was operating at almost double the scheduled span and cost budgeted for the area. After pitching a potentially significant opportunity to his then-director, Tom Carrubba, now vice president of Aeronautics Quality Transformation and Enterprise Integration, he was able to gain the initial support for changing the engineering design, coatings material and the application process used in AFF.

“What resulted in the end was several days of span time saved in AFF and one of the most positively impactful affordability projects on the F-35 to date. It saves significant hours per unit, defects and rework and improves the aircraft sustainability in the field. It also changes the exterior look of the aircraft to a more uniform coating,” said Carrubba.

“The Aircraft Finishes configuration required the preparation and applications of various materials, which aesthetically appear as jig saw panes of various shades of gray across doors, panels and control surface edges. The manufacturing process to yield a complying product are extremely labor intensive and requires unique skill sets and more so concentrated attention to detail, which meant more labor and processing span in AFF," said Thistle. "Despite the immense efforts amongst the F-35 Finishes organizations, the process often yielded escapes and as a result contributed towards the organizations number one driver for quality defects."

The idea to optimize the process by eliminating multiple masking operations and the need to manually hand spray various top coats by using robotic application during the final top coat application; or “Z13” overcoat as it is more commonly known, was conceived. The project will reduce the cost of an F-35A by $16,000 per aircraft and will save $49 million in the total life of the program.

Chad Wemyss, Delivery Operations Manufacturing Engineering (ME) manager, has been working on the project since picking it up as AFF ME Lead in 2012. “This has been one of the most intense collaboration efforts I’ve taken part in. It has involved several years of testing by the Signature Integration and Materials and Processes (M&P) teams, as well as close teamwork with Production Operations, Finishes Engineering, Sustainment, the Affordability team, the F-35 Program Office and the customer, Joint Program Office (JPO). There have been a lot of stakeholders with different aspects of project inputs and requirements and keeping the whole thing moving forward has been challenging, but also extremely rewarding,” he said. The team kept with it and the results were evident when AF-104, the test aircraft for this project, finished its final coatings in AFF. Implementation of the change is expected in the 2nd quarter of 2017.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 26, 2017, 02:53:44 PM
Actually, to tell the honest truth the change in scheme had nothing to do with cost or enhanced performance.  It was simply done to make the life of the modelling community easier... ;)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on April 26, 2017, 09:02:09 PM
Actually, to tell the honest truth the change in scheme had nothing to do with cost or enhanced performance.  It was simply done to make the life of the modelling community easier... ;)

I knew it would pay to have modelers on the inside of the program  ;D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 06, 2017, 05:41:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txooHvssic4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txooHvssic4)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 08, 2017, 02:40:39 AM
Menancing...

(https://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/7f/6b/00046b7f.jpeg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: KiwiZac on June 09, 2017, 04:48:34 AM
Wow, what an image!
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on June 12, 2017, 01:13:20 PM
F-35 style fuel tanks are available at Shapes in 1:144th and 1:72nd scale:

1/144 F-35 Drop Tanks Made By Napping Man's Flying things and stuff (http://shpws.me/ODX2)

1/72 F-35 Drop Tanks Made By Napping Man's Flying things and stuff (http://shpws.me/MPz0)

You can contact the maker about scaling the tanks up to 1:48th scale. 
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on June 20, 2017, 04:25:08 AM
Full video of the F-35 demo at the 2017 Paris Air Show.

Looks like the afterburner/reheat was engaged for most of the demo. You can see black smoke when it is dis-engaged. Also keep and eye on the elevators. Lots of pilot input and movement.

http://youtu.be/93NdwZAeXhI (http://youtu.be/93NdwZAeXhI)

Are you at the show Greg?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 21, 2017, 01:33:14 AM

Are you at the show Greg?

Not this year.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on June 21, 2017, 05:31:34 AM
Interesting to see a slow speed demo
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 03, 2017, 05:34:26 AM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/221F35BAIM-132%20ASRAAM_zpsavbxgzyx.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/f8koqZ21_zpsjnwfy8t6.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 23, 2017, 06:51:48 AM
Something different:  Some F135 engines on their production line (click on images to see close up):

(http://www.pw.utc.com/Content/Photos/Feed/Stories/F35-07/F135s-on-production-line3.jpg)
(http://www.pw.utc.com/Content/Photos/Feed/Stories/F35-05/F135s-on-production-line1.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on July 23, 2017, 01:01:55 PM
"Powering Freedom" Blergh.  :-X
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 18, 2017, 02:22:56 AM
Cool, though fictional scheme:

(https://southfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/1-258-1280x720.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 08, 2017, 07:39:49 PM
First RAAF 3SQN F-35, A35-003:

(https://i.imgur.com/AXHXb8g.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/FmblGu8.jpg)

Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on November 09, 2017, 01:04:50 AM
Cool, though fictional scheme:

(https://southfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/1-258-1280x720.jpg)
Interesting thing is, those are F-35B's which I don't believe Israel is going to be buying.  Given the size of their country, though, dispersed F-35B's would make sense for them (does suggest surplus Harriers being similarly used).
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 09, 2017, 01:21:11 AM
There has been some talk of Israel getting some Bs though nothing has been confirmed to date.  Singapore is another to also look at Bs.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: KiwiZac on November 09, 2017, 02:59:47 AM
Israeli Bs - F-35IBs? - sound very cool, and that camo is spectacular. Maybe I need to add another to my shopping list.

I'm not a fan of lo-viz schemes today but the RAAF F-35s look fantastic. I'm a big fan and very envious of my neighbours across The Ditch.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 09, 2017, 07:41:10 AM
Don't worryZac.  I the whiff verse New Zealand can have F-35Bs
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 23, 2017, 02:30:32 AM
https://youtu.be/d9HqVXGRJL0
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on December 23, 2017, 08:22:05 AM
Oh! look at that  --- the USA has a 'Mach Loop'    >:D
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 25, 2018, 01:50:15 AM
Cool Aviazione Navale F-35B

(http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/3/8/8/4813883.jpg?v=v423e4846bfa)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on January 25, 2018, 05:25:24 AM
Oh! look at that  --- the USA has a 'Mach Loop'    >:D

Yeah, Rainbow Canyon aka Star Wars Canyon in Death Valley, it's been used for high-speed
flight training and aircraft testing since WWII.

Edwards AFB, Nellis AFB, NAS LeMoore, MCAS Miramar, Fresno ANG, Plant 42 (Palmdale), and various
testing outfits use it today.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 26, 2018, 12:55:18 AM
Cool Aviazione Navale F-35B

([url]http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/3/8/8/4813883.jpg?v=v423e4846bfa[/url])


Wow!  :smiley:
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 31, 2018, 02:25:35 AM
RAAF's 4th & 5th F-35s:

(https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/fff93454-574d-497c-a45e-9463c3ef2aa7-original.jpeg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on January 31, 2018, 12:41:26 PM
Both pictures taken at Fort Worth?  I believe I recognize the area in the background of the top one and I doubt you would find a F-16 flying chase in Australia.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 01, 2018, 01:34:51 AM
Correct
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on February 01, 2018, 09:57:02 AM
And no gaudy squiggly panel tape ------
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 22, 2018, 02:26:48 AM
Images of what a Boeing F-32 might have looked like:

(http://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/foundry/image/?q=70&w=1920&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftimedotcom.files.wordpress.com%2F2018%2F05%2Fjja911x.jpg%3Fquality%3D85)
(http://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/foundry/image/?q=60&url=https%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fthe-drive-staging%2Fmessage-editor%252F1526772718431-jja91xc.jpg)
(http://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/foundry/image/?q=60&url=https%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fthe-drive-staging%2Fmessage-editor%252F1526772733907-jjd9131.jpg)
(http://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/foundry/image/?q=60&url=https%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fthe-drive-staging%2Fmessage-editor%252F1526772759308-jdj91cx.jpg)
(http://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/foundry/image/?q=60&url=https%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fthe-drive-staging%2Fmessage-editor%252F1526772776817-jjd01c.jpg)

Source (http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20971/this-is-what-a-boeing-f-32-wouldve-looked-like-if-lockheed-lost-the-jsf-competition)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Kelmola on May 22, 2018, 07:20:01 AM
"Monica" was so much cuter than the F-35 :-*

Still, I would have kept the protruding lower lip of the intake, that adds character. Though, this variant is distinctive and pleasant enough too (and they both scream "Vought" anyway, and that is a good thing).
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Acree on May 22, 2018, 07:54:41 AM
I think the first pic has a “21st century F-86 Sabre” look to it.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: arkon on May 23, 2018, 04:54:18 AM
Those are a great find!
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on May 23, 2018, 07:00:26 AM
I coulda sworn I posted this stuff previously:
(http://photos.smugmug.com/OLDPB/i-2tFX4MZ/0/02709319/O/jsf.jpg)

(http://photos.smugmug.com/OLDPB/i-XD4gz9s/0/9603f2a5/O/USAF_markings.jpg)

(http://photos.smugmug.com/OLDPB/i-rMsJp4t/0/7b431d6a/O/USMC_guide.png)

(http://photos.smugmug.com/OLDPB/i-HRjcbSW/0/3cf395df/O/USNavy_guide.jpg)

(http://photos.smugmug.com/BTS/i-hW7whWX/0/e4593aa0/O/CHARLIE_F-32_01.jpg)
1/40th modelshop casting in Swedish splinter that Charlie Sorenson was working on before
his untimely death way too young. He worked in the Boeing modelshop for a number of years.
He was going to pass on a casting to me, unfortunately that never happened.  :icon_crap:
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on May 23, 2018, 08:33:27 AM
For some reason I like this version of the F-32, not the delta version I've got in 1/72.  Does anyone know if there's a 1/72 version of this one ?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on May 23, 2018, 09:37:46 AM
I looked everywhere Robert and the only mold was the Italeri/Revell/Tamiya one.

The only other place which might have one is the Area 51 Tuck Shop.  ;)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on May 23, 2018, 11:41:52 PM
Images of what a Boeing F-32 might have looked like:


Well Gee whiz if it had looked liked that from the start!  :-*
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on May 24, 2018, 07:57:39 AM
I looked everywhere Robert and the only mold was the Italeri/Revell/Tamiya one.

The only other place which might have one is the Area 51 Tuck Shop.  ;)

Me too Carl, but my google search for Area 51 Tuck Shop turned up only fast-food restaurants  -----  ???

Now if I could only find a new link to Muroc Models ---
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 25, 2018, 04:34:05 AM
Not sure if this will inspire you...or drive you to take up knitting:

https://youtu.be/bs8zy9vXd7s (https://youtu.be/bs8zy9vXd7s)


Needles and balls of wool available to the left if you want them:

(https://www.lambeth.gov.uk/sites/default/files/knitting.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 28, 2018, 02:50:07 AM
Someone's got a cool office:

(https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/fc5a03dc-0d5d-4ad4-a1ef-9cb9b574db84-original.jpeg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 28, 2018, 02:51:47 AM
And just the image:

(https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/fc246720-960c-4ad2-a96b-1d47122c9c90-original.jpeg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on May 28, 2018, 02:54:46 AM
Anyone know when the F-35C will be available in kit form?   
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 28, 2018, 03:00:42 AM
Anyone know when the F-35C will be available in kit form?   

Errr...already:

(https://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/kh/images/kh_80132_title.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on May 28, 2018, 03:29:14 AM
If memory serves me correctly, Orange Hobby did one in 1/72.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on May 28, 2018, 06:02:48 AM
Anyone know when the F-35C will be available in kit form?   
Errr...already:

(https://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/kh/images/kh_80132_title.jpg)

Thanks Greg, don't know how or why I missed that.  Have to keep an eye out for that kit at a decent price.  Already have he A and B models and neither kit really does much for boosting my enthusiasm for the subject.    :))
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on May 28, 2018, 08:46:36 AM
I'll need to research the kits, but I want to do a nominal "F-35D" (D for Dual Refueling Modes), basically a F-35A with the addition of the refueling probe installation from the F-35B and -35C to allow refueling from any tanker out there.  It would look good in the markings of users who otherwise use only probe and drogue refueling but who don't need the extra goodies of the F-35B or F-35C and don't want to buy boom-equipped tankers.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on May 28, 2018, 05:58:07 PM
Anyone know when the F-35C will be available in kit form?   
Errr...already:

(https://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/kh/images/kh_80132_title.jpg)

Thanks Greg, don't know how or why I missed that.  Have to keep an eye out for that kit at a decent price.  Already have he A and B models and neither kit really does much for boosting my enthusiasm for the subject.    :))

I got the Kitty Hawk 1/48 F-35B ---- I'm not to impressed with all the massive ""raised"" panel tape lines, it's worse than the Italeri 1/72 kit.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on May 29, 2018, 01:47:00 AM
I got the Kitty Hawk 1/48 F-35B ---- I'm not to impressed with all the massive ""raised"" panel tape lines, it's worse than the Italeri 1/72 kit.
The F-35A kit has the same features.  Almost makes the old Panda kit look like the better choice :)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 24, 2018, 03:56:00 AM
Random idea:  F-35 in Aggressor scheme.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on June 24, 2018, 05:59:29 AM
Even better idea: QF-35 with orange panels on the wings and tail...
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 25, 2018, 12:37:07 AM
That works too... ;)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on July 12, 2018, 02:58:07 AM
Extend the wing of the F-35C, turn it into a UAV as a dedicated Reecebird for the USN, IDF.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Burncycle on July 23, 2018, 10:20:28 AM
The F-35 general arrangement is very similar to one of GD's LWF/ADF proposed layouts (Upper left here).  In fact, if it won instead of the F-16 arrangement we know today, the F-35 might be considered a "silent eagle" LO version!  (Although since it's much fatter it would only passingly resemble it and in reality be a completely different aircraft, kind of like Superhornet vs Hornet)

(https://i.imgur.com/tOlW5mF.jpg)

Quick reference comparison between F-35A and F-16C Block 50 (quick wiki)

F-35A Length/Wingspan: 15.67m / 10.7m
F-16C Length/Wingspan: 15.06m / 9.96m

F-35 Empty Weight: 29,000 lbs
F-16C Empty Weight: 18,900 lbs

F-35 Internal Fuel: 18,498 lbs
F-16C Internal Fuel: 7,000 lbs
 
F-35 Thrust (Dry/AB): 28,000 lbf / 43,000 lbf
F-16C Thrust (Dry/AB): 17,155 lbf / 28,600 lbf

The F-35 is nearly the same length and span, but carries ~2.5 times the internal fuel (plus room for ordnance) making it very thick and ~10,000 pounds heavier empty, completely negating the advantage of the significantly better engine.  This is akin to the military obtaining new lightweight gear to shave 10 pounds off a soldier's load, only to go ahead and add 11 pounds worth of other crap.  It's little wonder it's a dog, but it's defended by those saying it's system oriented rather than performance oriented (like the F-22).  The US can get away with this and just say the F-22 will always support operations, but some nations are intending to use these as their primary combat aircraft, so it would be nice if it could perform.

IMO, a more conservative approach with a reduced internal fuel load requirement  of 11,000 lbs (equivalent to F-16C with CFT, plus 10% to help offset the difference in SFC) would allow for a lighter (even when considering the naval requirements) less draggy airframe, and if you kept the 2D thrust vectoring of the F119 when designing the derivative you'd end up with an aircraft that can deliver 2x PGMs like the F-35, but generally outfight other 4 / 4.5 gen aircraft.   You'd be a bit heavier empty than an F-16 with CFTs, but would be cleaner and have a much better T:W.  The end result would be better instantaneous turn rate / nose pointing (with the ability to more rapidly regain lost energy), as well as superior sustained turn rate.

To compensate for the reduction of internal fuel,  plan for LO drop-tank assemblies under the wings as options (2x 4,000 lbs or so) that, when jettisoned, takes the pylons with it.  This would surpass the F-35A's internal fuel, but likely not much extra range since the arrangement is draggier.

I found a picture with a rough idea of what this could look like (guess from some video game fantasy...)

(https://i.imgur.com/c2qrTQQ.png)

Keep EOTS as a combined IRST / targeting pod, but get rid of the rest of the DAS and revolutionary systems (KISS), just a basic matured HMD.







Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on July 23, 2018, 11:43:41 AM
Yep, here's a photo comparison of my two models
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on July 23, 2018, 12:40:19 PM
Actually, DAS is worth keeping as it has matured considerably.  I think I'd also want to keep the MADL system with all the antennas (antennae?) because that greatly eases stealthy communication.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on July 23, 2018, 06:06:24 PM
F-35 a dog? No one who flies it seems to think so.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 23, 2018, 03:19:34 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsY53gAUcAAt0CW.jpg:large)
(http://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/foundry/image/?q=60&url=https%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fthe-drive-staging%2Fmessage-editor%252F1542671483400-4914657.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on November 23, 2018, 09:39:22 AM
So where was this taken?  I'm pretty certain it was not Carswell Field in Fort Worth.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on November 23, 2018, 09:49:32 AM
I think it's Hill AFB Evan, at least the photo accompanies a video on the Secret Project Forum thread about Belgium getting the F-35 says Hill. The video shows eight finger four flights of F-35's, one flight of three F-35's and one lone F-35 off to the side doing a fly-past.

Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on November 23, 2018, 09:53:40 AM
US Air Force conducts first ever F-35 fighter jet 'elephant walk'

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/20/politics/us-air-force-f-35-elephant-walk/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/20/politics/us-air-force-f-35-elephant-walk/index.html)

It's Hill AFB.  I think it should be called Flat AFB.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on November 23, 2018, 10:13:33 AM
US Air Force conducts first ever F-35 fighter jet 'elephant walk'

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/20/politics/us-air-force-f-35-elephant-walk/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/20/politics/us-air-force-f-35-elephant-walk/index.html)

It's Hill AFB.  I think it should be called Flat AFB.
Tactical hiding of location.  The base is actually named for a person with the last name of Hill rather than the terrain.  I don't remember his exact name, though I suspect the base is too far south to be named for James G. Hill since he was active mainly from Minnesota to Oregon and Washington (Great Northern Railroad was his primary legacy).
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on November 23, 2018, 01:27:40 PM
From Wikipedia > Hill AFB, UT history (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill_Air_Force_Base)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on March 08, 2019, 06:09:38 AM
(http://warnesysworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/VMFA-122-F-35B-800x445.jpg)

getting some color  :smiley:
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 18, 2019, 05:17:03 AM
Here's a very interesting bit about the F-35 that I had not known:  https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairw/20181027.aspx (https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairw/20181027.aspx).  Given that HIMARS has also shown to be able to function from the flight deck of various amphibious ships, it appears that the USMC's reach has just been nicely extended and their F-35B's amplified.  This should work equally well with other F-35 variants, too.  In the meantime, it makes one suspect that more and more neighbors buying the F-35 is a bit worrying for power like China and North Korea, particularly with the amplification this aircraft gives to targeting data for other systems.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kerick on March 18, 2019, 08:27:06 AM
It appears that each F-35 is a very capable recon and targeting platform. This is a major change in how we do business. This will take time to filter through other military systems to reveal other major capabilities
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on March 18, 2019, 09:31:05 PM
Here's a very interesting bit about the F-35 that I had not known:  https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairw/20181027.aspx (https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairw/20181027.aspx).  Given that HIMARS has also shown to be able to function from the flight deck of various amphibious ships, it appears that the USMC's reach has just been nicely extended and their F-35B's amplified.  This should work equally well with other F-35 variants, too.  In the meantime, it makes one suspect that more and more neighbors buying the F-35 is a bit worrying for power like China and North Korea, particularly with the amplification this aircraft gives to targeting data for other systems.

I've read that in one of the threads on the F-35 over at the SP Forum that they have been testing this, certainly changes how things can be done now doesn't it ?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 20, 2019, 02:11:12 AM
Welcome to network centric warfare.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on March 21, 2019, 09:12:20 PM
Welcome to network centric warfare.

Add in larger numbers of LO affordable UCAVs each with a couple of SDBs, AMRAAMs etc. flying along side the F-35 and it gets even more interesting.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: tankmodeler on March 21, 2019, 11:46:53 PM
Welcome to network centric warfare.
As long as enemy hackers can be kept out of our networks. And that's a real worry.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 22, 2019, 02:08:08 AM
Welcome to network centric warfare.
As long as enemy hackers can be kept out of our networks. And that's a real worry.

A risk though one recognised.  BTW, when we are talking about network centric warfare we're not just loading systems and weapons onto the general internet.  Rather, we are talking about connecting via secure military databanks etc.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 22, 2019, 09:34:06 AM
I suspect a lot of the interconnectivity will be via the F-35's MADL or systems capable of interfacing with it (F-22 will need an upgrade but it is doable).  That's a very LO data link.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 23, 2019, 02:01:53 AM
I suspect a lot of the interconnectivity will be via the F-35's MADL or systems capable of interfacing with it (F-22 will need an upgrade but it is doable).  That's a very LO data link.

Exactly.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: tankmodeler on March 23, 2019, 04:57:13 AM
I suspect a lot of the interconnectivity will be via the F-35's MADL or systems capable of interfacing with it (F-22 will need an upgrade but it is doable).  That's a very LO data link.

Exactly.
Yes, all true. Any yet there are a lot of interfaces between the real/unsecured world and the comprehensive combat and maintenance systems of the F-35. So many that securing them all is a real worry.

Paul
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 11, 2019, 04:31:29 AM
F-35A walk around:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=hmnkcP-sJHk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=hmnkcP-sJHk)

Note that you can control the view just by dragging the image.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on June 13, 2019, 09:45:27 PM
F-35A walk around:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=hmnkcP-sJHk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=hmnkcP-sJHk)

Note that you can control the view just by dragging the image.

I suddenly felt like I was living in the future  :o
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 30, 2019, 06:57:37 AM
"Diana: Goddess of the Hunt" - painted on a Dutch F-35:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D97agdFXoAIIQG0.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 13, 2019, 05:31:52 AM
Just some cool Australian F-35 photos:

(https://images.defence.gov.au/fotoweb/cache/5003/DefenceImagery/2019/S20190850/20190411raaf8165233_080.t5cb54dd3.m2400.xTUNfoz9c.jpg)
(https://images.defence.gov.au/fotoweb/cache/5003/DefenceImagery/2019/S20190850/20190411raaf8185068_0007.t5cb54dd0.m2400.xIY_sBXu3.jpg)
(https://images.defence.gov.au/fotoweb/cache/5003/DefenceImagery/2019/S20190850/20190411raaf8185068_0053.t5cb54dc9.m2400.xzctvrL62.jpg)
(https://images.defence.gov.au/fotoweb/cache/5003/DefenceImagery/2018/S20184677/20181210raaf8227810_261.t5c0db55d.m2400.xOlrk_bpX.jpg)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on July 13, 2019, 11:43:16 AM
The station lights on the intake, how are they illuminated?   Are they lit or are they self-luminous?
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 14, 2019, 02:15:23 AM
The station lights on the intake, how are they illuminated?   Are they lit or are they self-luminous?

The Formation Lights are Electroluminescent and as such require a electric current to emit light.  They are made by a company called Astronics Luminescent Systems Inc. - you can see more here: https://www.astronics.com/product?productgroup=Lighting%20Systems&subproduct=exterior%20lighting#Formation%20Lights (https://www.astronics.com/product?productgroup=Lighting%20Systems&subproduct=exterior%20lighting#Formation%20Lights)
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on July 14, 2019, 08:58:23 AM
The station lights on the intake, how are they illuminated?   Are they lit or are they self-luminous?

The Formation Lights are Electroluminescent and as such require a electric current to emit light.  They are made by a company called Astronics Luminescent Systems Inc. - you can see more here: https://www.astronics.com/product?productgroup=Lighting%20Systems&subproduct=exterior%20lighting#Formation%20Lights (https://www.astronics.com/product?productgroup=Lighting%20Systems&subproduct=exterior%20lighting#Formation%20Lights)

Thanks.  Interesting.
Title: Re: F-35 Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kerick on July 14, 2019, 11:43:22 AM
The old “slime lights”. Trying to remember when these first came out. Was it the 80s or before? I’m sure the ones today are a bit different in design.