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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #125 on: December 04, 2019, 01:09:58 PM »
Turnabout is fair play and the bureaucrats and politicians lie enough.

Beyond that, there are two conversions I would love to see for Hunter kits.  The 3-foot extension at the front transport joint that the CFE wanted for greater range (I also agree with Roy Braybrook that it would make the aircraft even more aesthetically appealing) and the P.1091 delta-winged version.  I could see that developed as a P.1091B with some careful area-ruling, then developed with the CFE extension, Fieri intakes (Hunter looks made for those), radar, and a more powerful engine as a supersonic interceptor, then as a multi-role fighter.

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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #126 on: December 27, 2019, 10:00:21 AM »
Just an odd thought, India decides they need more fighter capability but don't have fistfuls of money, so go with a CILOP program to produce zero-timed Hunters powered by dry RD33 engines.

Upgrade the weapons fit, too - Y-racks for AA-8 or AA-11 missiles under each outboard hard point.
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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #127 on: December 27, 2019, 01:17:08 PM »
Of course, for an upgrade in the 60s, perhaps a dry J79?  Though I suspect that might require some extra engine bay cooling air as I believe the J79 runs rather hotter than the Avon.

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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #128 on: May 12, 2020, 07:22:44 PM »
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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #129 on: May 13, 2020, 02:23:28 AM »
Hunter definitely needs an IFR probe somewhere on the fuselage. 
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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #130 on: May 13, 2020, 03:52:38 AM »
The forward fuselage mounts for the Sidewinders is interesting.  I wonder how the engine would fare with the exhaust going straight into it when the missiles were launched?
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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #131 on: May 13, 2020, 03:52:49 AM »
Hunter definitely needs an IFR probe somewhere on the fuselage.

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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #132 on: May 13, 2020, 04:36:48 AM »
My first Hunter What If? had an IFR probe out on the wing.


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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #133 on: May 13, 2020, 05:18:21 AM »
Fine example of Tennessee Air Guard Hunter.   Probably from 1960s.

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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #134 on: May 13, 2020, 05:35:24 AM »
Fine example of Tennessee Air Guard Hunter.   Probably from 1960s.

This model represented an F-99A deployed to Key West NAS in October 1962 if I remember correctly.  It's about a 2004 build I think. 

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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #135 on: May 13, 2020, 07:50:12 AM »
The forward fuselage mounts for the Sidewinders is interesting.  I wonder how the engine would fare with the exhaust going straight into it when the missiles were launched?
The rocket nozzle is under the inlet and about level, so it shouldn't bother the engine.

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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #136 on: May 14, 2020, 02:37:52 AM »
Except that, as you will see int eh first few seconds of this video), the rocket does put out considerable smoke etc which I suspect would have impinged on the intakes and risked stalls or similar.
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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #137 on: May 14, 2020, 02:43:52 AM »


Is this a Swedish or a RAF bird?  It looks like a RAF one.
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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #138 on: May 14, 2020, 03:01:02 AM »
Interesting tidbit:



Imagine a RN FAA operational one loaded with such missiles.
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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #139 on: May 14, 2020, 05:10:17 AM »
Is this a Swedish or a RAF bird?  It looks like a RAF one.

It does look more RAF than Flygvapnet. I think the J34s were all in the olive over light blue scheme (like the early Drakens).
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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #140 on: May 14, 2020, 06:39:22 AM »
The Sapphire engined early Hunters had issues with engines paling out after ingesting gun gas.  The change to Avon fixed the problem.  I wonder if the Sidewinder exhaust was significantly more than gun discharge gas?  Regardless they did it so I guess it worked. 

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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #141 on: May 14, 2020, 08:09:38 AM »
Is this a Swedish or a RAF bird?  It looks like a RAF one.
It does look more RAF than Flygvapnet. I think the J34s were all in the olive over light blue scheme (like the early Drakens).
Looks like there is a three-colour fin flash in the image showing the tail.  Sweden does not use a fin flash as far as I know so I would think this Hunter belongs to the UK. 
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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #142 on: May 14, 2020, 01:21:49 PM »
Perhaps the proposal was made by Hawkers and tested by Hawkers on an RAF machine?

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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #143 on: May 15, 2020, 01:25:19 AM »
Puzzle solved:

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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #144 on: May 17, 2020, 07:43:59 PM »
Of course, for an upgrade in the 60s, perhaps a dry J79?  Though I suspect that might require some extra engine bay cooling air as I believe the J79 runs rather hotter than the Avon.

Would that have a fin mounted intake like the Kfir, or a number of smaller intakes around the rear fuselage?

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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #145 on: May 17, 2020, 08:08:11 PM »
For a carrier capable Seahunter the airbrake will need to be moved to the fuselage sides as for the Goshawk or landing on may get interesting.

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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #146 on: May 18, 2020, 06:36:02 AM »
Of course, for an upgrade in the 60s, perhaps a dry J79?  Though I suspect that might require some extra engine bay cooling air as I believe the J79 runs rather hotter than the Avon.

Would that have a fin mounted intake like the Kfir, or a number of smaller intakes around the rear fuselage?
Given that, IIRC, the control routings to the tail go through the covered area on the top of the fuselage, I would expect smaller intakes around the rear fuselage; properly sized, you could probably get away with two on the upper portion of the fuselage (F-105 intake scoops perhaps?).

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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #147 on: May 18, 2020, 09:59:42 PM »
Thank you