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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2014, 03:50:36 PM »
P-40 + Spitfire nose



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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #51 on: January 06, 2014, 12:10:13 AM »
Got some P-40s to build for Biggles...1/72nd P-40Bs; 1/48th P-40Bs and P-40Ms.

Going to do an RAF PR Blue one, as well as just swapping around a few schemes....nothing radical. I just want to put something pretty on the table.

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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #52 on: January 06, 2014, 02:22:36 AM »
P-40 + Spitfire nose

Has a somewhat Dewoitine D.520 look.
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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #53 on: July 28, 2014, 03:01:29 AM »
Random idea:  Israeli P-40.  Maybe some leftover WWII birds from the DAF or similar are pressed into service.
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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #54 on: December 17, 2014, 09:29:39 AM »
I wrote a MASSIVE backstory for a navalised P-40 series as the Curtiss-Fairey P-40H "Kittiwake". Five marks, all with Griffons of varying power and with clipped, folding wings - from essentially stock P-40Ms to a P-40Q-like FB.5 with contraprop.

I only built one or two way back then, but I'm still super keen to do a range in 1/72 and one with exposed engine in 1/48. I have a couple of drawings and photos around, I'll try find them.
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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #55 on: December 17, 2014, 12:38:39 PM »
Random idea:  Israeli P-40.  Maybe some leftover WWII birds from the DAF or similar are pressed into service.

Very interesting and quite appropriate I could definitely see the IAF operating Desert Air Force types initially.  Another possibility is a free French like force of Jews flying with the Desert Air Force, say due to a British commitment to form a Jewish state post war, or even Britain creates Israel, unilaterally in 1940 and arms them to fight the Italians, Germans and Vichy French.

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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #56 on: January 02, 2015, 01:23:04 PM »
Random idea:  Israeli P-40.  Maybe some leftover WWII birds from the DAF or similar are pressed into service.

Very interesting and quite appropriate I could definitely see the IAF operating Desert Air Force types initially.  Another possibility is a free French like force of Jews flying with the Desert Air Force, say due to a British commitment to form a Jewish state post war, or even Britain creates Israel, unilaterally in 1940 and arms them to fight the Italians, Germans and Vichy French.

Unlikely, the Foreign Office was very pro-Arab, possibly even anti-Jewish (anti-Semitic doesn't quite work, because Arabs are a Semitic people, too), in the pre- & post-wars eras. However, in the Whif World, as we know, anything is possible.

So, if the Arabs allied themselves with the anti-Jewish Nazi's, the British may have had to arm & train Palestinian Jews to assist in countering Arab guerrillas. Thereby opening up the possibility of Britain promising & delivering Palestine as a Jewish state without the British-Jewish conflicts of the post-war era (that doesn't mean there wouldn't have been continuing British-Arab & Jewish Arab conflicts).
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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #57 on: January 03, 2015, 09:40:58 PM »
The pro Arab sentiment in the Foreign Office has existed for decades and I really don't understand it.  Jewish terrorist were a problem during Israel's move to independence but historically their has been far more bad blood between Arabs and the British Commonwealth than with Israel.

Ironically the experience of allied forces in the middle east in WWI was that the Jewish settlers were friendly and helpful while the Arabs, who were meant to be our allies, were a real problem.  They were dangerously unreliable and brutal to the point Turkish prisoners often had to be defended by Commonwealth forces, on occasion the Turks were allowed to retain their personal weapons until they could reach secured allied positions to become POWs.  There were many cases of Arabs robbing and murdering Commonwealth troops and some brutal reprisals that saw the troops concerned punished as certain Arabs, no matter their behaviour, were Pandas.  Australia has a close, mutually respectful relationship with our former enemy, Turkey and a pretty good relationship with Israel, but Arab nations have always been hard work.  The fiction that the Arabs took Damascus and that the Arab revolt broke the back of the Ottoman Empire is a joke, as are the artificial borders through the middle east.  I understand the reasons for it but still it doesn't explain the Foreign office attitudes.

Actually I understand there was a between wars proposal to establish a semi-independent Jewish state in the north of Western Australia.  Now if this had occurred we could have had Israeli RAAF squadrons flying P-40s with the desert air force in WWII.  Such an arrangement would have made our recent resources boom very interesting with some very wealthy, powerful Australians developing some very, Foreign Office like, anti Jewish Sentiment.  I imagine a modern Jewish state would be much harder to disenfranchise and relocate than indigenous communities.
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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #58 on: January 04, 2015, 02:55:18 AM »
Guys, let's keep the discussion to the P-40 please.  My suggestion was simply based on the idea that some could have still been in the region rather than any actual sale.
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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #59 on: January 04, 2015, 01:27:00 PM »
Posts that have nothing to do with the P-40 removed.  I did ask nicely! C:-)
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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #60 on: January 04, 2015, 01:47:04 PM »
Getting back on topic:  what about a subtle whiff of a P-40 fitted with the 40mm cannon of the Hurricane Mk IID (shown below):

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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #61 on: January 04, 2015, 01:49:47 PM »
Alternatively,  what about a high altitude one (possibly in recon role) with extended wings and turbosupercharged V-1710 using elements from P-38?
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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #62 on: January 04, 2015, 01:53:24 PM »
Getting back on topic:  what about a subtle whiff of a P-40 fitted with the 40mm cannon of the Hurricane Mk IID (shown below):




I would love to see a P-40 with this!

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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #63 on: January 04, 2015, 02:12:09 PM »
Getting back on topic:  what about a subtle whiff of a P-40 fitted with the 40mm cannon of the Hurricane Mk IID (shown below):



Not that outlandish since they were trialed on Mustang I's.  Would look good on P-40D's, E's, and later.

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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #64 on: January 04, 2015, 02:13:13 PM »
Alternatively,  what about a high altitude one (possibly in recon role) with extended wings and turbosupercharged V-1710 using elements from P-38?
Turbocharger along-side the engine as on the XP-40 or perhaps fitted under the rear fuselage as on the P-47?

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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #65 on: January 04, 2015, 04:58:08 PM »
I was thinking under the fuselage all P-47.

In effect, we would be re-inventing the XP-37 (see below), but doing so in a more refined/graceful form.

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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #66 on: January 04, 2015, 10:32:58 PM »
I actually prefer the look of the earlier Tomahawk to the latter Kittyhawk or Warhawk, but the P-40N runs a close second.

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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #67 on: January 07, 2015, 05:08:54 PM »
How about a P-40 with underwing rockets?
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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #68 on: January 07, 2015, 05:12:33 PM »
How about a P-40 with underwing rockets?

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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #69 on: January 07, 2015, 05:17:55 PM »
I was thinking of something more like this:

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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #70 on: January 07, 2015, 10:11:06 PM »
I'm going to put Tiny Tim rockets on my P-40Q based Antares MK. III
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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #71 on: January 07, 2015, 10:14:38 PM »
I was thinking of something more like this:




I'm surprised they never did fit rockets to the P-40 considering its considerable ground attack role.

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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #72 on: January 08, 2015, 02:29:24 AM »
Do a bit of researching and look what one finds:

Russian P-40 with rails for six RS-82 rockets:




And P-40Ns with Rocket tubes:





It might still be cool to do a subtle whiff of a RAF or RAAF P-40 with British rockets (as per below) though:

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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #73 on: January 08, 2015, 04:42:39 AM »
Rockets on a P-40 sounds great! British or US.

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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #74 on: January 08, 2015, 05:25:01 AM »
Double-mod: Soviet M-105-powered P-40 with RS-82 rails, either in Soviet markings or seconded to, say, the AVG.