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Offline ysi_maniac

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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2013, 03:22:21 AM »
Unlicensed soviet copy: P-40 powered by Klimov


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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #46 on: December 28, 2013, 03:44:04 AM »
There were P-40s re-engined with a Klimov M-105, however they did not use a Yak nose.
http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=900.0

Re-engining and swapping noses are not the same thing.
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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #47 on: December 28, 2013, 06:26:10 AM »
There were P-40s re-engined with a Klimov M-105, however they did not use a Yak nose.
http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=900.0

Re-engining and swapping noses are not the same thing.


But they could be............especially here.
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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2013, 11:10:31 AM »
There were P-40s re-engined with a Klimov M-105, however they did not use a Yak nose.
http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=900.0

Re-engining and swapping noses are not the same thing.


But they could be............especially here.


Fair 'nough. Physical discomfort is making me crankier than usual.  :icon_fsm:
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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #49 on: January 04, 2014, 02:18:25 PM »
For some time P-40 and P-47 share production lines in Buffalo Curtiss factoty. Well ... something went wrong  :o 8)

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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2014, 03:50:36 PM »
P-40 + Spitfire nose



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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #51 on: January 06, 2014, 12:10:13 AM »
Got some P-40s to build for Biggles...1/72nd P-40Bs; 1/48th P-40Bs and P-40Ms.

Going to do an RAF PR Blue one, as well as just swapping around a few schemes....nothing radical. I just want to put something pretty on the table.

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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #52 on: January 06, 2014, 02:22:36 AM »
P-40 + Spitfire nose

Has a somewhat Dewoitine D.520 look.
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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #53 on: July 28, 2014, 03:01:29 AM »
Random idea:  Israeli P-40.  Maybe some leftover WWII birds from the DAF or similar are pressed into service.
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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #54 on: December 17, 2014, 09:29:39 AM »
I wrote a MASSIVE backstory for a navalised P-40 series as the Curtiss-Fairey P-40H "Kittiwake". Five marks, all with Griffons of varying power and with clipped, folding wings - from essentially stock P-40Ms to a P-40Q-like FB.5 with contraprop.

I only built one or two way back then, but I'm still super keen to do a range in 1/72 and one with exposed engine in 1/48. I have a couple of drawings and photos around, I'll try find them.
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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #55 on: December 17, 2014, 12:38:39 PM »
Random idea:  Israeli P-40.  Maybe some leftover WWII birds from the DAF or similar are pressed into service.

Very interesting and quite appropriate I could definitely see the IAF operating Desert Air Force types initially.  Another possibility is a free French like force of Jews flying with the Desert Air Force, say due to a British commitment to form a Jewish state post war, or even Britain creates Israel, unilaterally in 1940 and arms them to fight the Italians, Germans and Vichy French.

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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #56 on: January 02, 2015, 01:23:04 PM »
Random idea:  Israeli P-40.  Maybe some leftover WWII birds from the DAF or similar are pressed into service.

Very interesting and quite appropriate I could definitely see the IAF operating Desert Air Force types initially.  Another possibility is a free French like force of Jews flying with the Desert Air Force, say due to a British commitment to form a Jewish state post war, or even Britain creates Israel, unilaterally in 1940 and arms them to fight the Italians, Germans and Vichy French.

Unlikely, the Foreign Office was very pro-Arab, possibly even anti-Jewish (anti-Semitic doesn't quite work, because Arabs are a Semitic people, too), in the pre- & post-wars eras. However, in the Whif World, as we know, anything is possible.

So, if the Arabs allied themselves with the anti-Jewish Nazi's, the British may have had to arm & train Palestinian Jews to assist in countering Arab guerrillas. Thereby opening up the possibility of Britain promising & delivering Palestine as a Jewish state without the British-Jewish conflicts of the post-war era (that doesn't mean there wouldn't have been continuing British-Arab & Jewish Arab conflicts).
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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #57 on: January 03, 2015, 09:40:58 PM »
The pro Arab sentiment in the Foreign Office has existed for decades and I really don't understand it.  Jewish terrorist were a problem during Israel's move to independence but historically their has been far more bad blood between Arabs and the British Commonwealth than with Israel.

Ironically the experience of allied forces in the middle east in WWI was that the Jewish settlers were friendly and helpful while the Arabs, who were meant to be our allies, were a real problem.  They were dangerously unreliable and brutal to the point Turkish prisoners often had to be defended by Commonwealth forces, on occasion the Turks were allowed to retain their personal weapons until they could reach secured allied positions to become POWs.  There were many cases of Arabs robbing and murdering Commonwealth troops and some brutal reprisals that saw the troops concerned punished as certain Arabs, no matter their behaviour, were Pandas.  Australia has a close, mutually respectful relationship with our former enemy, Turkey and a pretty good relationship with Israel, but Arab nations have always been hard work.  The fiction that the Arabs took Damascus and that the Arab revolt broke the back of the Ottoman Empire is a joke, as are the artificial borders through the middle east.  I understand the reasons for it but still it doesn't explain the Foreign office attitudes.

Actually I understand there was a between wars proposal to establish a semi-independent Jewish state in the north of Western Australia.  Now if this had occurred we could have had Israeli RAAF squadrons flying P-40s with the desert air force in WWII.  Such an arrangement would have made our recent resources boom very interesting with some very wealthy, powerful Australians developing some very, Foreign Office like, anti Jewish Sentiment.  I imagine a modern Jewish state would be much harder to disenfranchise and relocate than indigenous communities.
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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #58 on: January 04, 2015, 02:55:18 AM »
Guys, let's keep the discussion to the P-40 please.  My suggestion was simply based on the idea that some could have still been in the region rather than any actual sale.
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Re: P-40 Ideas
« Reply #59 on: January 04, 2015, 01:27:00 PM »
Posts that have nothing to do with the P-40 removed.  I did ask nicely! C:-)
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