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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #165 on: November 24, 2014, 02:19:00 AM »
  It would probably make more sense to reuse the wings and tail surfaces on a new fuselage set up and optimized for what you intend to do with it.

YF-93 in other words --

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #166 on: November 24, 2014, 02:39:12 AM »
  It would probably make more sense to reuse the wings and tail surfaces on a new fuselage set up and optimized for what you intend to do with it.

YF-93 in other words --
Among other possibilities, yes.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #167 on: November 24, 2014, 04:41:03 AM »
I have no doubt what you say is true. But I have an F-86 kit I just don't know what else to do with. Of course I need to find an unsuspecting biz jet in 1/72nd scale to steal the engines from.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #168 on: November 24, 2014, 07:06:17 AM »
I have no doubt what you say is true. But I have an F-86 kit I just don't know what else to do with. Of course I need to find an unsuspecting biz jet in 1/72nd scale to steal the engines from.
Find an unsuspecting A-10 for a bit of overkill.  Best bet is finding a 1/72 30-series Learjet.  In 1/48, the Falcon 10 kit from Hasegawa would be perfect since the Skyfox used the same engines and nacelles and it could carry over.  For the F-86 kit, you could separate the fuselage at the point where it splits for engine removal and fabricate a new rear fuselage using the same tail surfaces.  Put a sharply sloped-down nose on it, with the guts and windows of a modern targeting pod and use it as a "Fast-FAC" that can designate targets for incoming "fast movers".

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #169 on: November 24, 2014, 08:47:28 AM »
How about a 1/144 scale A-10 for engines on a 1/72 Sabre?

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #170 on: November 24, 2014, 09:19:45 AM »
How about a 1/144 scale A-10 for engines on a 1/72 Sabre?
I'd think that quite a plausible approach.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #171 on: November 24, 2014, 09:36:49 AM »
How about a 1/144 scale A-10 for engines on a 1/72 Sabre?
I'd think that quite a plausible approach.


Engines off a 1/72 Canadair Challenger would work there I think, or a Canadair CRJ200. Or maybe off a BAe 125
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #172 on: November 24, 2014, 10:02:09 AM »
I have an F-86 kit I just don't know what else to do with.
How about an overall green Sabre as an OA-86/A-86 Sabre in U.S. Army service? 

Some modifications to consider:

- Reduce the number of guns to four (gives you more rounds for the remaining weapons which means more strafing passes)

- Add inflight refueling probe from an F-100 Super Sabre or the A-4 Skyhawk for hose and drogue refueling.  Not sure where the best location would be but it would make perfect sense to have AAR capability for range and loiter purposes over the objective.   

- Add a fifth and sixth stores pylon outboard of the existing stations.  This would give the aircraft six stores pylons, of which two would almost always be dedicated to fuel stores. 


Some weapons to consider for arming your Army OA-86/A-86:

- Three shot 4.5"(115 mm) FFAR rockets that were used on the P-47 and P-51 before the introduction of the 5.0" (127 mm) HVAR

- HVAR 5.0" (127 mm) aircraft rockets on the special rocket mounts that were available on the outboard wing sections (these were spring-loaded so that after the rocket fired it would retract flush into the wing).  This same feature was also used on some versions of the F-84F Thunderjet.  I believe the normal load of HVAR on the F-86 was eight rockets (four per wing). 

- Other stores would include general purpose bombs, fragmentation bombs, fire bombs, cluster bombs, munitions clusters, flares, smoke tanks, chemical weapons dispensers and other stores up to the weight limits of each pylon. 

Note there is no suggestion of air-to-air missiles as that would impinge on the responsibilities of the Air Force so the ground attack Sabre would have to rely on machine guns or speed to defend against any air threat.  Not sure if the USAF would have accepted it but as a what-if it is almost ideal. 

The only other modification I could think of would be to upgrade the ejection seat and give it a new canopy with more room to view things.  Maybe the canopy from an A-10 would work? 

Later variants of the OA-86/A-86 might be given the capability to carry and launch guided weapons such as the Pave Way series Laser Guided Bombs, AGM-65 Maverick, AGM-114 Hellfire, and other modern air to surface weapons if it were to soldier on for any length of time. 
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #173 on: November 24, 2014, 10:04:28 AM »
How about a 1/144 scale A-10 for engines on a 1/72 Sabre?
I'd think that quite a plausible approach.


Engines off a 1/72 Canadair Challenger would work there I think, or a Canadair CRJ200. Or maybe off a BAe 125
if memory serves me correctly, there was a kit of the HS.125-600 with turbofan engines in 1/72; that would be ideal for this Sabre conversion.  1/72 CRJ200 engines would be the same size as A-10 engines and a bit overpowering for the Sabre, 1/144 CRJ200 engines would work out as "just right".

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #174 on: November 24, 2014, 10:35:38 AM »
Revell 1/100 A-10 kit engines power the Slowy Jet.
Thatz a possibility.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #175 on: November 25, 2014, 01:06:01 AM »
I have the 1/100 A-10 kit. I should try it. Like I need to start another project. I should check the biz jets you guys mentioned too
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #176 on: November 25, 2014, 02:26:47 AM »
Maybe use the YF-93 as the basis for this "skybox" style creation:

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #177 on: November 25, 2014, 08:55:35 AM »
It would be hard to stick with the Skyfox comparison for a backstory as most F-86s that have survived are museum pieces by now. Whiff world will allow me to stretch the "truth" a little more I hope. Or I could fashion some pods that look like they contain turbojets and say they are J-85s.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #178 on: November 26, 2014, 01:42:57 AM »
Have it as being upgraded by some South American or African nation maybe…or simply a different development path?
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #179 on: November 26, 2014, 05:26:11 AM »
An Air Force somewhere that had been gathering all the Sabre airframes and parts they could find from around the world. (There were a lot of Sabres built!) One day they started putting things together, not enough engines so civil biz jet engines were aquired. Don't ask questions and we won't have to lie to you......