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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #150 on: November 23, 2014, 10:12:19 AM »
I wouldn't get too worried - remember that we are talking about a totally fictional aircraft here.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #151 on: November 23, 2014, 10:25:20 AM »

Airmodel in Germany do an Avon Sabre vacuform conversion for considerably cheaper than the High Planes one.  However, the High Planes model or conversion (they do a complete kit as well as just a fuselage), if purchased direct from Singapore I'm sure works out much cheaper than 20 quid, it is also injection moulded.



Cheers for the info about Airmodel: some interesting stuff there.

The Avon Sabre full kit is listed at £19.66 on HPM Hobbies website, or £8.85 for just the conversion. The latter is the only one actually in stock at the moment, and there's another £4.97 for shipment to the UK. The cheapest of the recommended donor kits I can find on a quick search is £13.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #152 on: November 23, 2014, 10:32:42 AM »
I wouldn't get too worried - remember that we are talking about a totally fictional aircraft here.

Very doable though: the Airmodel vac-form set that Rickshaw linked has CA-27, F-86K and TF-86 fuselages and canopies in it so you could always mix the bits up to get just what you want
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #153 on: November 23, 2014, 11:56:45 AM »
I wouldn't get too worried - remember that we are talking about a totally fictional aircraft here.


Very doable though: the Airmodel vac-form set that Rickshaw linked has CA-27, F-86K and TF-86 fuselages and canopies in it so you could always mix the bits up to get just what you want


That is my intention.  One of my earilest Whiffs was a Sabre Sea Dingo but I used a combination of the High Planes fuselage, the Airfix F-86D and the Fuji T-1 cockpit.  I've never been happy with it and have long intended redoing it.   After I'd built it I purchased the airmodel vacuform and it's sat waiting for me to get around to it.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #154 on: November 23, 2014, 12:00:53 PM »
I wouldn't get too worried - remember that we are talking about a totally fictional aircraft here.

So sad, yet another engineer ruined by working in management.  ;)  :icon_fsm:
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #155 on: November 23, 2014, 12:12:04 PM »
I wouldn't get too worried - remember that we are talking about a totally fictional aircraft here.

Very doable though: the Airmodel vac-form set that Rickshaw linked has CA-27, F-86K and TF-86 fuselages and canopies in it so you could always mix the bits up to get just what you want
If I was going to do an Avon- or Sapphire- powered radar-equipped variant, I'd likely get two because you'll need to deepen the inlet to accommodate the higher mass flow either of those engines require (not that the FJ-3 has a rather deeper intake than the equivalent F-86 and that was carried over to the FJ-4 - if memory serves me correctly, the first XFJ-2's were navalized F-86Es but the production ones had a J65 and a deeper intake and this was enlarged somewhat further on the FJ-3).  Given that the Orenda gives more "poke" without needing a larger intake, I could see an navalized F-86K with an Orenda installed flying off HMCS Bonaventure; I've heard that a cross between that and a FJ-4 was proposed by NAA-Columbus in the competition that led to F2H Banshees flying in that role.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #156 on: November 23, 2014, 12:41:13 PM »
I wouldn't get too worried - remember that we are talking about a totally fictional aircraft here.

So sad, yet another engineer ruined by working in management.  ;)  :icon_fsm:

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #157 on: November 23, 2014, 12:49:43 PM »
I wouldn't get too worried - remember that we are talking about a totally fictional aircraft here.

So sad, yet another engineer ruined by working in management.  ;)  :icon_fsm:

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Oops, sorry I was channelling Brook there.  ;)  ;D
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #158 on: November 23, 2014, 01:00:11 PM »
How about refitting F-86 with a F414.  Build one dry and one wet.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #159 on: November 23, 2014, 02:04:58 PM »
I keep thinking of an F-86 rebuilt like the Skyfox with a radome in place of the inlet and two turbofan engines mounted A-10 style. That space from the inlet could hold a lot of electronics or some butt kickn' guns.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #160 on: November 23, 2014, 08:59:00 PM »
I keep thinking of an F-86 rebuilt like the Skyfox with a radome in place of the inlet and two turbofan engines mounted A-10 style. That space from the inlet could hold a lot of electronics or some butt kickn' guns.

How about having it based on an F-86D airframe with two of those closed-breech rocket guns they tested on the F-89 fitted in the faired-over former intake?
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #161 on: November 23, 2014, 11:21:05 PM »
Make it an inexpensive Close Air Support type with a radome mounted over a electro-optical turret. With the intake trunk available as space, build in a 30mm chain gun as internal armament. Pylons normally carry Hellfire/Brimstone or rocket pods.

Of course, in my universe this is the Canadair/Bombardier Sabre Mk 7. :)

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #162 on: November 23, 2014, 11:38:50 PM »
All kinds of missions come to mind. All the space formerly taken up by the internal engine would be available for fuel, etc. As a fast FAC it could be on station for a long time. It would have to carry lots of rocket pods for target marking.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #163 on: November 23, 2014, 11:45:29 PM »
I wouldn't get too worried - remember that we are talking about a totally fictional aircraft here.


Very doable though: the Airmodel vac-form set that Rickshaw linked has CA-27, F-86K and TF-86 fuselages and canopies in it so you could always mix the bits up to get just what you want


And I've got this conversion set

http://www.modelcraftsandhobbies.co.nz/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=4603&category_id=46bf5e49e86e462f13c403ffd5bcdee2&

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #164 on: November 24, 2014, 01:44:40 AM »
I keep thinking of an F-86 rebuilt like the Skyfox with a radome in place of the inlet and two turbofan engines mounted A-10 style. That space from the inlet could hold a lot of electronics or some butt kickn' guns.
Putting on my engineer's hat, I can say that I've seen the report on NAA's study of doing just that and it would require major airframe rebuild since the intake area is essentially stressed only for the aerodynamic loads of the air flowing through to the engine and the surrounding structure matches.  Sealing that space off and filling it with fuel, avionics, or whatever would require major rebuilding and a new airframe would be cheaper.  It would probably make more sense to reuse the wings and tail surfaces on a new fuselage set up and optimized for what you intend to do with it.