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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #90 on: October 15, 2013, 12:31:36 AM »
I'm bringing this back up as I've just started the Airfix 1/72 Canadair Sabre kit and I'd like to explore ejection seat options.

I know some sabres were refitted with more modern seats in their service, but I'm not sure which types.

I'm thinking of either a Martin Baker Mk.2F, Mk.2FV or Mk.4A; all of which I can get easily in resin.

I haven't had time to do a real in depth search for the info, but would anyone know off the top of their heads if any of those three seats were ever fitted to Sabres of if not would at least have been feasible for use in the aircraft?

Thanks in advance.

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is this for a real world subject or a fictional effort?  If fictional I would consider the seat types used in the Hawker Hunter as a guide and see if that seat will fit your Sabre.  Other candidates from that period would bet he Provost, Wyvern, etc. 
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #91 on: October 15, 2013, 01:21:52 AM »
All the RAF Sabres were made by Canadair ( Mk.4's) and it doesn't look like they ever were fitted with an MB seat.

but this might help, found on The Aviation Forum, you could use anything from the Meteor, Vampire, Venom, Sea Hawk --- :

1 Meteor
1CA Canberra
1E Meteor
1F Venom
2A Attacker
2B Wyvern
2CA Canberra
2CB Canberra B(l)8
2D Sea Hawk
2E Meteor
2F Venom
2H Hunter
2HAN Hunter
3A Valiant
3B Vampire T11
3CA Canberra
3CS Canberra PR9 Pilot
3CT1 & 2 Canberra T4
3CT3 Canberra T4
3H
3J Javelin
3K Vulcan
3L Victor
4A Sea Venom
4BSB & 4BSC Lightning
4DSA Sea Vixen
4HA Hunter T7
4MSA Buccaneer S2
4P Jet Provost
4QS Canberra PR9 Nav
5A Phantom
6MSA Buccaneer S2
6MSB Buccaneer S2
7A Phantom
9 &9A
9B Jaguar
9D Harner7a
10A Tornado
10H Sea Harrier
11
12 Harrier GR7

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #92 on: October 15, 2013, 02:48:40 AM »
M-B Mk.5 in Norwegian F-86F and some Bundesluft Sabre Mk.6.
The canopy slide mechanism had to be modified to allow it to
slide further aft to clear the M-B seat, it also raised up slightly
when slid aft in comparison to regular Sabres.
Evidently not popular with all German pilots as it was not as
comfortable as the C-2 and blocked vision to the rear, thus the
extra rear-view mirrors found in some German Sabres.

Info from The Canadair Sabre by Larry Milberry.
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Must leave successors more corrupted still."
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #93 on: October 15, 2013, 04:47:49 AM »
Thanks for the input guys.

The model is going to be fictitious as part of my Divided Austria storyline.

The premise is that the West Austrian Sabres got new ejection seats as part of an upgrade and service extension program.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #94 on: October 23, 2013, 05:45:52 AM »
Andrea De Vincentiis is ADV Models and he has just shared images of a completed model of his 1:48th scale Fiat G.91Y Yankee resin and multi-media model kit at HyperScale. 

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #95 on: October 23, 2013, 04:50:59 PM »
I can attest the the beauty of this kit.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #96 on: November 16, 2013, 11:36:33 AM »
Advanced F-86 (see first post in this thread)



... and a variation


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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #97 on: November 16, 2013, 11:41:48 AM »
The alternate design for F-93.
86 + 100 = 186
186/2 = 93

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #98 on: November 16, 2013, 12:46:09 PM »
 :) ;)

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #99 on: November 17, 2013, 02:27:57 AM »
That does look good.  :)
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #100 on: November 17, 2013, 03:37:18 AM »
Evolve it one more step, much like the one that served as a testbed for the F-100 configuration, raise the airbrakes and lower the horizontal tail for an intermediate step between this and the full-out Super Sabre.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #101 on: November 17, 2013, 04:16:08 PM »
Since the U.S. Army considered the Fiat G.91, why not also the FJ-4 Fury?
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #102 on: November 17, 2013, 11:36:06 PM »
How about an 'almost real' soviet Sabre http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18140.0.html?

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #103 on: March 22, 2014, 02:20:52 PM »
Something different:



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A rare picture of a CL-13 (a license built F-86 made by Canadair) Sabre being evaluated by the Israeli Air Force in the 1950's. The Israeli Air Force seen the great performance of the F-86, that they were planning to buy 24 of them. However, political issues and Arab opposition killed the purchase and decided to get the French made fighters like the Dassault Mystere instead.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #104 on: March 27, 2014, 12:28:20 AM »