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Offline Weaver

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #75 on: July 07, 2013, 01:02:09 AM »
I'd say there are enough differences between them that you couldn't do so convincing (the number of cannon carried being one difference).  I'll try and compare an Avon-Saber conversion with a F-86H kit and get back to you.

Cannons tubes can be filled and re-cut and wings can be swapped. What I can't seem to get a handle on is the fuselage proportions: I can find text accounts of what was done to both of them, but I can't get a good handle on what the visual consequesnces are in 1/72nd scale.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #76 on: July 07, 2013, 01:05:36 AM »
Another thought: the FJ-3 Fury was a Sabre with a J-65 and a bigger intake. Since the J-65 was just a licence-built Sapphire and since the Avon and the Sapphire were generally rated as installationally interchangeable, that makes me wonder if the FJ-3 fuselage is basically the same shape as an Avon Sabre?

Again, I know the nose gear was longer, but that could be swapped.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #77 on: July 07, 2013, 10:41:04 AM »
Another thought: the FJ-3 Fury was a Sabre with a J-65 and a bigger intake. Since the J-65 was just a licence-built Sapphire and since the Avon and the Sapphire were generally rated as installationally interchangeable, that makes me wonder if the FJ-3 fuselage is basically the same shape as an Avon Sabre?

Again, I know the nose gear was longer, but that could be swapped.

Basically, they probably are, but that begs the question as to whether there are any good FJ-3 kits out there; I don't believe there are.  I'll do a cross-check of the Avon-Sabre and F-86H in 1/72 tomorrow and report the results.  Today involved a lot of errand running.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #78 on: July 07, 2013, 05:36:15 PM »
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #79 on: July 07, 2013, 07:26:58 PM »
Found this comparing the FJ-2/3 to the F-86:

http://tailspintopics.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/fj23-fury-redux.html
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #80 on: July 08, 2013, 02:31:15 AM »
You can get numerous 1/72 kits and conversions for the CAC Avon Sabre from High Planes - see here.

There are also some on ebay.

For the more distinguished amongst us, there is also a 1/48 Red Roo conversion - see here + High Planes also do kits.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #81 on: July 08, 2013, 06:45:58 AM »
I really don't like the way Academy 1/48 kit has its gun troughs.  ::)  Yes, it's a really pathetic peeve of mine but that's just me.   :-\

So the thought of puttying them into oblivion has passed through the Mental Idea Generation Banks and using the inboard pylons for smaller gun pods.   I'm trying to come up with either some sand based color scheme or something similar to the green/green Equadorian Kfirs.   Portugal supports the US in Morocco perhaps.   

Edit:  The same gun pod arrangement could be used on the Sabre Dog perhaps as well.   
« Last Edit: July 08, 2013, 11:53:36 AM by Daryl J. »
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #82 on: July 08, 2013, 11:36:36 AM »
Okay, I put the Tasman Avon-Sabre conversion fuselage up against the special Hobby F-86H fuselage.  The F-86H fuselage looks to be deeper and shorter than that of the Avon-Sabre.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #83 on: July 08, 2013, 07:11:55 PM »
Okay, I put the Tasman Avon-Sabre conversion fuselage up against the special Hobby F-86H fuselage.  The F-86H fuselage looks to be deeper and shorter than that of the Avon-Sabre.

Great stuff - cheers!  :)

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #84 on: July 10, 2013, 12:52:17 PM »
Odd thought - a F-86D or F-86K nose, with deepened intake mated to a F-86H for an advanced all-weather interceptor while the more definitely ones finished development.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #85 on: July 10, 2013, 01:01:04 PM »
Okay, so a ques - if one wants to do an Aussie Sabre out of a box, without worrying overmuch about this or that hacking things up (which, after several attempts, I'm realising I'm maybe not very good at!), what's the best option for a kit in 1/72?
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #86 on: July 10, 2013, 03:52:58 PM »
Okay, so a ques - if one wants to do an Aussie Sabre out of a box, without worrying overmuch about this or that hacking things up (which, after several attempts, I'm realising I'm maybe not very good at!), what's the best option for a kit in 1/72?

Maybe the High Planes one at the link above.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #87 on: July 11, 2013, 10:52:54 AM »
Okay, so a ques - if one wants to do an Aussie Sabre out of a box, without worrying overmuch about this or that hacking things up (which, after several attempts, I'm realising I'm maybe not very good at!), what's the best option for a kit in 1/72?

Maybe the High Planes one at the link above.

I concur.  It's a bit primitive like all limited-run injection moulded kits but if you add the wings and tailplanes from a good F-86 kit it comes up quite nicely as a recognisable CA 27 Avon Sabre.

There is also an Airmodels CA 27 vacuform conversion model available.  It consists only of the forward fuselage and needs a bit more work (in a different way) compared to the High Planes one.   I have one in my stash and its a quite well moulded.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #88 on: July 11, 2013, 11:24:19 AM »
Okay, so a ques - if one wants to do an Aussie Sabre out of a box, without worrying overmuch about this or that hacking things up (which, after several attempts, I'm realising I'm maybe not very good at!), what's the best option for a kit in 1/72?

Maybe the High Planes one at the link above.

I concur.  It's a bit primitive like all limited-run injection moulded kits but if you add the wings and tailplanes from a good F-86 kit it comes up quite nicely as a recognisable CA 27 Avon Sabre.

There is also an Airmodels CA 27 vacuform conversion model available.  It consists only of the forward fuselage and needs a bit more work (in a different way) compared to the High Planes one.   I have one in my stash and its a quite well moulded.

You can still find the conversions that Tasman did on eBay.  That's where I got all mine.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #89 on: October 14, 2013, 05:31:21 PM »
I'm bringing this back up as I've just started the Airfix 1/72 Canadair Sabre kit and I'd like to explore ejection seat options.

I know some sabres were refitted with more modern seats in their service, but I'm not sure which types.

I'm thinking of either a Martin Baker Mk.2F, Mk.2FV or Mk.4A; all of which I can get easily in resin.

I haven't had time to do a real in depth search for the info, but would anyone know off the top of their heads if any of those three seats were ever fitted to Sabres of if not would at least have been feasible for use in the aircraft?

Thanks in advance.
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