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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #60 on: April 07, 2013, 09:50:48 AM »
Maybe a twin engined F-86 ala the G.91Y:

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #61 on: April 07, 2013, 02:01:11 PM »
A RA14 powered, big winged, radar equiped, Sky Flash and Aden armed CAC evolved Sabre.  I have always liked the Fury and am tempted to do an enhanced Sabre based on the FJ4 airframe, perhaps with a streamlined podded radar protruding from a wing leading edge.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #62 on: April 08, 2013, 02:25:22 AM »
Another aircraft I'd like to put into service with Khemed is the FJ-4 in a principally ground attack role.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #63 on: April 08, 2013, 08:43:20 AM »
A RA14 powered, big winged, radar equiped, Sky Flash and Aden armed CAC evolved Sabre.  I have always liked the Fury and am tempted to do an enhanced Sabre based on the FJ4 airframe, perhaps with a streamlined podded radar protruding from a wing leading edge.
Why pod the radar?  Just go with a F-86K nose with a deepened inlet to handle the larger airflow requirement.  That's pretty much what NAA-Columbus was proposing in their FJ-4N proposal to the RCN in competition with the Banshee.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #64 on: April 08, 2013, 08:57:01 AM »
Talking-Thinking F-86.
Wonder how doable it is to build a 3/4 F-86 akin to pictures I seen of 3/4 P-51.
J-85 or a biz-jet engine for power.  Deleting guns and ammo buys back some down scaling space.  No armor plate room/weight to deal with.
Could be quite the hot rod - yes ?

Wasn't the fiat G91 basically a scaled down F-86. As was the Fuji T-1 trainer.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #65 on: April 09, 2013, 07:07:50 AM »
Maybe a twin engined F-86 ala the G.91Y:

Similar to the G.91Y was Canadair's unbuilt 1958 CL-76 project employing CL-13 Sabre components and powered by twin Pratt & Whitney JT12s.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #66 on: May 07, 2013, 06:07:14 PM »
G'day blocks!!

I've just stumbled across this -


It's a RAAF CAC CA-27 Sabre (A94-922), modified as test carrier aircraft for two de Havilland Firestreak (‘Blue Jay’) infra-red homing air-to-air missiles, at Woomera rocket range. Note it’s fuselage belly tank!
It's one missile I never thought of with the Sabre, due to its size and weight! might make an interesting 'What If' RAF weapons load on a profile. As to would the belly tank, to give it extra legs to intercept Soviet Tu-4 Bull's coming in from the Northern Sea ;)

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #67 on: May 08, 2013, 02:04:04 AM »
Nice find - any further info?
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #68 on: May 08, 2013, 05:05:18 AM »
Nice find - any further info?

Theres a writeup and photos in Stewert Wilsons Meteor, Sabre and Mirage in RAAF service book. The belly tank was for avionics.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #69 on: May 08, 2013, 05:58:42 AM »
G'day blocks!!

I've just stumbled across this -


It's a RAAF CAC CA-27 Sabre (A94-922), modified as test carrier aircraft for two de Havilland Firestreak (‘Blue Jay’) infra-red homing air-to-air missiles, at Woomera rocket range. Note it’s fuselage belly tank!
It's one missile I never thought of with the Sabre, due to its size and weight! might make an interesting 'What If' RAF weapons load on a profile. As to would the belly tank, to give it extra legs to intercept Soviet Tu-4 Bull's coming in from the Northern Sea ;)
It would be an interesting aircraft to add a F-86K-style nose to; you could probably eliminate the belly tank full of avionics.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #70 on: July 06, 2013, 04:06:42 AM »
What if in 1955, instead of getting sixteen de Havilland Venoms, the RNZAF got some F-86s?
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #71 on: July 06, 2013, 12:13:03 PM »
Question: is an Avon-Sabre similar enough to an F-86H to pass the latter off as the former, or are they too different?
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #72 on: July 06, 2013, 12:33:33 PM »
I'd say there are enough differences between them that you couldn't do so convincing (the number of cannon carried being one difference).  I'll try and compare an Avon-Saber conversion with a F-86H kit and get back to you.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #73 on: July 06, 2013, 09:54:34 PM »
Question: is an Avon-Sabre similar enough to an F-86H to pass the latter off as the former, or are they too different?

Quite different.  H has IIRC a deeper intake and a slightly shorter fuselage.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #74 on: July 07, 2013, 12:59:23 AM »
Question: is an Avon-Sabre similar enough to an F-86H to pass the latter off as the former, or are they too different?

Quite different.  H has IIRC a deeper intake and a slightly shorter fuselage.

As I understand it, the Avon-Sabre had a bigger intake too and a revised fuselage. The Avon-Sabre's was made by putting a wedge section into the fuselage forwards of the wing, while the F-86H had a horizontal split and deepening "over the whole fuselage", though it must have been more complicated than that other wise the jet-pipe orifice would have ended up oval!

The Avon-Sabre's centre fuselage had to be extended backwards and the rae fuselage shortened in order to hold the lighter Avon in the right place for CofG reasons, but I thought the overall length was about the same as the standard Sabre, while the F-86H was about a foot longer.
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