F-86 Sabre and Derivatives

[kitnut617]

Jeff has come to the rescue with an 'F', thanks buddy --

[Daryl J.]

While somewhat simple, why not?

Monogram F-86F with late model Sidewinders, chaff/flare dispensers. Perhaps some sort of ECM bumps here and there.    Engrave the kit and put it into some modern air force somewhere. 

[ChernayaAkula]

^ A Sabre would look fantastic in Mod Eagle colours with toned-down markings. 

[Jeffry Fontaine]

While somewhat simple, why not?

Monogram F-86F with late model Sidewinders, chaff/flare dispensers. Perhaps some sort of ECM bumps here and there.    Engrave the kit and put it into some modern air force somewhere.

Add in a modern one-piece windscreen and a matching canopy and you will have a nice little fighter/attack aircrarft :)

[GTX_Admin]

Well places like Bolivia had the P-51 into the 1970s so why not have F-86s operating somewhere similar until the 21st century.

[elmayerle]

Perhaps also re-engined with a somewhat more modern engine?  Depending on availability and available cash, I could see an engine as old as a J52 being fitted or as new as a F404/RM12/F414.

[finsrin]

Perhaps also re-engined with a somewhat more modern engine?  Depending on availability and available cash, I could see an engine as old as a J52 being fitted or as new as a F404/RM12/F414.

> Am with you on re-engine.  With right pieces, would be a nice build to do in 1/32 with open servicing doors and new engine depicted inside.  Also have other update features evident on model.

> Was at store Thursday and got to talking with former Skyhawk mech.  He says his neighbor has a 1/1 F-86 in shipping crates.  Is looking for a place to assemble it 

[elmayerle]

Too bad he's not down here.  With AAR pulling out of their facility at Alliance Airport, there's a huge building available for that kind of thing and a runway that'll handle the largest aircraft (747-8 came through on tests and I've seen an AN-124 making deliveries or picking some large, buiky items up).

[finsrin]

Talking-Thinking F-86.
Wonder how doable it is to build a 3/4 F-86 akin to pictures I seen of 3/4 P-51.
J-85 or a biz-jet engine for power.  Deleting guns and ammo buys back some down scaling space.  No armor plate room/weight to deal with.
Could be quite the hot rod - yes ?

[elmayerle]

either a J85 or a TFE731 would make a good choice for a scaled-down F-86 and the TFE731 is still in production.

[GTX_Admin]

Maybe a twin engined F-86 ala the G.91Y:

[Volkodav]

A RA14 powered, big winged, radar equiped, Sky Flash and Aden armed CAC evolved Sabre.  I have always liked the Fury and am tempted to do an enhanced Sabre based on the FJ4 airframe, perhaps with a streamlined podded radar protruding from a wing leading edge.

[Daryl J.]

Another aircraft I'd like to put into service with Khemed is the FJ-4 in a principally ground attack role.

[elmayerle]

A RA14 powered, big winged, radar equiped, Sky Flash and Aden armed CAC evolved Sabre.  I have always liked the Fury and am tempted to do an enhanced Sabre based on the FJ4 airframe, perhaps with a streamlined podded radar protruding from a wing leading edge.

Why pod the radar?  Just go with a F-86K nose with a deepened inlet to handle the larger airflow requirement.  That's pretty much what NAA-Columbus was proposing in their FJ-4N proposal to the RCN in competition with the Banshee.

[ed s]

Talking-Thinking F-86.
Wonder how doable it is to build a 3/4 F-86 akin to pictures I seen of 3/4 P-51.
J-85 or a biz-jet engine for power.  Deleting guns and ammo buys back some down scaling space.  No armor plate room/weight to deal with.
Could be quite the hot rod - yes ?

Wasn't the fiat G91 basically a scaled down F-86. As was the Fuji T-1 trainer.

Ed

[apophenia]

Maybe a twin engined F-86 ala the G.91Y:

Similar to the G.91Y was Canadair's unbuilt 1958 CL-76 project employing CL-13 Sabre components and powered by twin Pratt & Whitney JT12s.

[M.A.D]

 :icon_alabanza:G'day all!!

I've just stumbled across this -


It's a RAAF CAC CA-27 Sabre (A94-922), modified as test carrier aircraft for two de Havilland Firestreak (‘Blue Jay’) infra-red homing air-to-air missiles, at Woomera rocket range. Note it’s fuselage belly tank!
It's one missile I never thought of with the Sabre, due to its size and weight! might make an interesting 'What If' RAF weapons load on a profile. As to would the belly tank, to give it extra legs to intercept Soviet Tu-4 Bull's coming in from the Northern Sea

M.A.D

[GTX_Admin]

Nice find - any further info?

[Volkodav]

Nice find - any further info?

Theres a writeup and photos in Stewert Wilsons Meteor, Sabre and Mirage in RAAF service book. The belly tank was for avionics.

[elmayerle]

G'day blocks!!

I've just stumbled across this -


It's a RAAF CAC CA-27 Sabre (A94-922), modified as test carrier aircraft for two de Havilland Firestreak (‘Blue Jay’) infra-red homing air-to-air missiles, at Woomera rocket range. Note it’s fuselage belly tank!
It's one missile I never thought of with the Sabre, due to its size and weight! might make an interesting 'What If' RAF weapons load on a profile. As to would the belly tank, to give it extra legs to intercept Soviet Tu-4 Bull's coming in from the Northern Sea

It would be an interesting aircraft to add a F-86K-style nose to; you could probably eliminate the belly tank full of avionics.

[GTX_Admin]

What if in 1955, instead of getting sixteen de Havilland Venoms, the RNZAF got some F-86s?

[Weaver]

Question: is an Avon-Sabre similar enough to an F-86H to pass the latter off as the former, or are they too different?

[elmayerle]

I'd say there are enough differences between them that you couldn't do so convincing (the number of cannon carried being one difference).  I'll try and compare an Avon-Saber conversion with a F-86H kit and get back to you.

[Rickshaw]

Question: is an Avon-Sabre similar enough to an F-86H to pass the latter off as the former, or are they too different?

Quite different.  H has IIRC a deeper intake and a slightly shorter fuselage.

[Weaver]

Question: is an Avon-Sabre similar enough to an F-86H to pass the latter off as the former, or are they too different?

Quite different.  H has IIRC a deeper intake and a slightly shorter fuselage.

As I understand it, the Avon-Sabre had a bigger intake too and a revised fuselage. The Avon-Sabre's was made by putting a wedge section into the fuselage forwards of the wing, while the F-86H had a horizontal split and deepening "over the whole fuselage", though it must have been more complicated than that other wise the jet-pipe orifice would have ended up oval!

The Avon-Sabre's centre fuselage had to be extended backwards and the rae fuselage shortened in order to hold the lighter Avon in the right place for CofG reasons, but I thought the overall length was about the same as the standard Sabre, while the F-86H was about a foot longer.