Small Brown Dog Artwork and related

[Small brown dog]

The problem, just like the RW, is the inability to operate them off carriers. So a smaller payload and smaller defensive capabilities are a result of not being able to manage multi-engined types on carriers.

Or, at least that's how my reasoning goes at the moment...

Paul

You are applying real world carrier problems to my alt universe.
EMFEM amplification especially towards the later part of the war would overcome much of your weight problems.
By default STOL is standard as you only need enough forward speed for the surface controls to bite.
I imagine that a multi engined layout is desirable at sea and with that in mind  - what about the Tigercat ?
A machine like that would have a smaller footprint owing to not requiring the wingspan of the  Tcat.

[tankmodeler]

You are applying real world carrier problems to my alt universe.
EMFEM amplification especially towards the later part of the war would overcome much of your weight problems.
By default STOL is standard as you only need enough forward speed for the surface controls to bite.
I imagine that a multi engined layout is desirable at sea and with that in mind  - what about the Tigercat ?
A machine like that would have a smaller footprint owing to not requiring the wingspan of the  Tcat plus that is one horny looking bird :)

Yes, fair enough. STOL it is. In which case large carriers are probably not a thing. If you don't need the large runway to take off on or land on, you don't need a large ship. Smaller carriers along the lines of the Light Fleet carriers (but not slow like the Escort Carriers) but a lot more of them to make up the numbers needed in a strike package.

So, if you are looking at a medium bomber/twin-engined design as a notional torpedo strike craft, but keeping it smaller than an land based medium bomber for better carrier stowage and with a smaller range requirements than a land-based medium, but still with enhanced self protection as a light/medium bomber, then if you look at an Avenger-sized, tubby fuselage (to hold 2 torpedoes) with a nose and tail turret and maybe a remotely operated Bendix turret in the belly, twin engines, twin lift coils, twin booms with the surfaces Wombat was discussing.

Later in the war you could go with an even smaller fuselage, like the A-26 Invader, with more powerful engines, a similar pair of remote upper and lower turrets and maybe a "hard" nose with a couple of 37mm autocanon or a 75mm for light ship busting. Torpedoes could be in semi-recessed mountings under the wing roots.

Paul

[Small brown dog]

with the surfaces Wombat was discussing.

Of course I read it as ... and surface wombats  
Perhaps they could cling to the wings clutching ping pong bats acting as air brakes.

There is plenty here to make the cogs go round and I like the later war idea with the ship busting cannon too

[GTX_Admin]

Excellent post!

 

[ysi_maniac]

I understand nothing about graphic design. But these designs are just wonderful .

[GTX_Admin]

That latest one would look good with ZG.6 Wespe markings.

[Small brown dog]

That latest one would look good with ZG.6 Wespe markings.

Do you meant the 219 above ?
(I only called it a 219 as its what you get when you add 109 and 110 together)

[GTX_Admin]

Yes.

[Small brown dog]

Yes.

You're right it would :)
That would be a nice alternative when I get fed of modelling which I do usually around the middle of a project... like round about any time soon as anything I try to do over the last couple of days has just turned to crap.

[apophenia]

Just about everything starts with basic primitive shapes ...

Fantastic stuff and wonderful to have a peak at the earliest stages. Thanks! 

[Small brown dog]

The problem with past depictions of the future is that sometimes the future looks less impressive than the imagined one. The actual developed technology is something different again of course but I’m not talking smart tech here I’m talking about aesthetics and the all-important cool factor.

Show a 60’s kid a picture of an F35 and then a Spectrum Angel Interceptor and you can guess which image will stay with the kid long into his adult life. Mind you if you could have imagined an F35 and why it has that stealth thing shape in 1968 then perhaps the future may have been different although perhaps still not looked so good.

Of course there was a slight downer to the Angel Interceptor… they were piloted by girls!!!
This could be a stumbling block to a pre hormonal kid although there was always something about Destiny and there still is actually or is that just me?

Captain Scarlet ran from 1967 to 1968 and as was usual in this universe the series took place 100 years in the future and so I have played on that in this image. There is supposed to be a World Air force by then so I’m not sure if the RAF will exist as it does now or be perhaps it is a branch of the WAF. I don’t know but the story goes that the WAF first took the Viper on charge in 2065 and I have gone with that and with the  FRG2 variant being introduced in 2068 which coincides nicely with the anniversary of the birth of the RAF – from Camel to Viper in 150 years.
 
The inspiration for this came from seeing Claves AI in RAF trim so its his idea not mine.
https://www.deviantart.com/claveworks/art/Fantasy-219-Angel-11-Sqn-RAF-189782503

[apophenia]

Excellent concept! And, you're right, it does still look like 'The Future' 

... although there was always something about Destiny and there still is actually or is that just me?

Pretty sure that's just you    Now 'Harpy' is another matter ... no matter how dangerous 

https://www.deviantart.com/small-brown-dog/art/Harpy-474174798

[Small brown dog]

Pretty sure that's just you    Now 'Harpy' is another matter ... no matter how dangerous 

https://www.deviantart.com/small-brown-dog/art/Harpy-474174798

Oh hell thats awful - I have to do that one again!

... which could be fun :)

[Small brown dog]

Shuttleworths immaculate Hawker Bloodhound caught at Duxford back in 2017 not long after her first post restoration flight. K1961 is the only complete airframe anywhere in the world at this time and had spent 21 years undergoing a painstaking and often frustrating renovation. Initially she was to be a static exhibit but a cache of period Napier Blade power units was discovered in Ireland not long after the start of the restoration and the decision was taken to restore her to airworthiness.  Another unique find was a complete set of period army cooperation equipment containers of which K1961 is displayed with.

The Blood Hound was a twin seat army cooperation and liaison development of the Hawker Hound fighter which first flew in 1934. Prior to the Bloodhound a naval version of the Hound, the Seadog, had been developed along with a specification for twin seat fleet spotter. The Fleet spotter never went into production as an alternative design from Fairy Aviation was chosen. However, the two seat configuration was deemed ideal for an air ministry specification calling for army cooperation aircraft.

Demand for the Tesla-Royce Kestrel Electric engine was high for both the Hound and its naval version and there was of course a performance drop off owing to the extra weight of the second crewman and Army Cooperation equipment.  To counter both supply and performance issues alternative power plants were trialled firstly from Bristol and secondly by Napier of which the Blade proved to be an ideal power plant for the Blood Hound.

The Napier Blade “H” block was the first Napier coupled thrust power unit designed specifically for Aero electric ELG units. This air cooled 24 cylinder power unit gave a useful additional 185HP over that of the Kestrel electric, offsetting some of the performance loss.

Shuttleworth also owns and operates the world’s only airworthy Hound MK1 and since 2017 both the Hound and Blood Hound are displayed together and have become something of a favourite amongst enthusiasts … how strange there are no photographs of them together … hmmmm.

[perttime]

It looks as if a racer version wouldnt be out of place either.

[Frank3k]

That is such a great render! The Hawker Bloodhound is just beautiful

[GTX_Admin]

 

[elmayerle]

Beautiful with a plausible back story.  Are the upper braces round or of an airfoil cross-section for drag reduction?  I could see a single-seat version with a low-drag canopy as a racing aircraft.

[Old Wombat]

That looks like a photo of a real Blood Hound on first pass.


Second pass & there are a few things that give it away but they're so minor it doesn't matter. Brilliant work!

[finsrin]

OOOH that is sweet.   Noticed opposite rotating props like P-38.   Spats are first class.

[Small brown dog]

I appreciate the positive feedback  - thanks.
However, the more I look at it the more I think I could have done a better render and photomanip  into the background - ah, well there is always next time :)

There is something I can't put down with the Hound family development so I might bore you with some others. I have a Later Hunting Hound idea which would be my universes take on the Hurricane 2D complete with anti tank cannon and maybe vokes filters.

It looks as if a racer version wouldnt be out of place either.

Perhaps the Hound MK1 with a few aerodynamic refinements and a nice paint job ?

Currently the cross bracing is round section and quite heavy - thats a whole lot of power unit slapped on the sides - got carried away

A work in progress and a Hound MK1 comparison image  ...

[elmayerle]

For higher speed versions, perhaps an aerodynamic fairing around the cross-bracing on each side?

[The Rat]

Beauty!

[apophenia]

Oh, that is lovely! Especially like the Demon-style rear cockpit cut-out and those trousered undercarriage legs 

[Small brown dog]

Oh, that is lovely! Especially like the Demon-style rear cockpit cut-out and those trousered undercarriage legs 

Yes, almost 100% Demon is that rear cockpit - I have a couple of wonderful reference pix:)
My main reason for doing it though was the Napier Dagger's or Blades in this case. I love big piston aero engines and  Napier never fail to excite.