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Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« on: April 02, 2020, 02:18:14 AM »
Here's a place for all those ideas/images/inspirations.





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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2020, 10:47:30 AM »


This, but as a half-track.
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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2020, 03:10:29 AM »
From real world:

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Saab Supplying Sweden with Firefighting Capabilities
(Source: Saab; issued April 03, 2020)



Saab has received an order from MSB, the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency, regarding Sweden's aerial firefighting capabilities. The contract is valid during the years 2020-2023.

The order is for the capability to fight fires with two firefighting aircraft, from 1 April to 30 September, through to 2023. Under the contract there is also the opportunity to trigger an option for two more aircraft, beginning with the 2021 fire season. This resource will be available for Sweden and for EU.

Saab has during a period of one year established aerial firefighting capabilities using the Air Tractor AT-802 F firefighting aircraft, with the associated pilot and technician skills, as well as the specific permits for their operation.

"We are part of Sweden's national security and our specialist expertise and flight permits made it natural for us to complement our operations in Nyköping with aerial firefighting capabilities," says Ellen Molin, Head of Saab's Support and Services business area. "It is important to have a prompt national response to forest fires, and this service is going to help deliver that."

The AT-802 F is a water-bombing aircraft that in the event of a forest fire can release 35,000-50,000 litres of water per hour. The firefighting aircraft will be based in Nyköping, where Saab already has aviation operations for, among other things, aerial target towing and support for the Swedish Coast Guard’s aircraft.

From Nyköping, firefighting aircraft can within two hours reach Copenhagen or eastern Finland and within three hours, Luleå in the north of Sweden. If necessary, the firefighting aircraft can be based at another location with advanced technical and maintenance resources. Rapid response to fires is crucial.


Saab serves the global market with world-leading products, services and solutions within military defence and civil security. Saab has operations and employees on all continents throughout the world. Through innovative, pragmatic and collaborative work, Saab constantly develops, adapts and improves new technology to meet the changing requirements of our customers.

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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2020, 05:28:50 AM »
A version of the V-22 in US Forest Service firebomber markings?  A miniature version of MAFSS in the aircraft and with the ability to hover over a body of water and refill the tanks would make for useful capability.  You'd probably need better filtration on the intakes but that's been demonstrated.  I could see this as a role for a number of the early LRIP aircraft.

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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2020, 03:49:13 AM »
Does anyone know of a kit/conversion for or has anyone scratchbuilt a https://www.sei-ind.com/products/bambi-bucket-models/?

I have found this one online but no details:

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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2020, 04:21:25 AM »
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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2020, 04:35:00 AM »
Folks, what fire bomber or maybe crop duster kits are available that you know of?
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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2020, 05:04:27 AM »
Random idea:  Skyraider firebomber
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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2020, 05:33:42 AM »
Random idea:  Skyraider firebomber
That would be nice to see if it were to be based on the AD-5/A-1E/A-1F/A-1G as there would be more internal volume without excessive modification to the airframe.
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2020, 08:15:16 AM »
Random idea:  Skyraider firebomber
That would be nice to see if it were to be based on the AD-5/A-1E/A-1F/A-1G as there would be more internal volume without excessive modification to the airframe.

I've read somewhere, the Skyraider had a bomb bay but wasn't used ---- a fuel tank was put in the space.

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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2020, 09:10:37 AM »
Re-engine older A-10's with more powerful TF34/CF34 variants and use them for pinpoint drops on hot spots.

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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2020, 10:32:34 AM »
Random idea:  Skyraider firebomber
That would be nice to see if it were to be based on the AD-5/A-1E/A-1F/A-1G as there would be more internal volume without excessive modification to the airframe.
I've read somewhere, the Skyraider had a bomb bay but wasn't used ---- a fuel tank was put in the space.

Not the Skyraider but more likely the BTD Destroyer that was the predecessor to the Skyraider.  It had a bomb bay by design.
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2020, 10:02:10 PM »
Re-engine older A-10's with more powerful TF34/CF34 variants and use them for pinpoint drops on hot spots.

That's a bit coincidental you should mention CF34's Evan, this last couple of days I've been sorting out details for another project I have in mind, which revolves around CF34's. The subject involved is a CRJ-200 which I'm going to make into a FASS AEW, I was thinking of upgrading the engines by putting the spare nacelles from an A-10 on it. However, after doing a bit of research --- it turns out they have the same engine with practically the same power output ---  :-X  CRJ has CF34's, A-10 has the military version, TF34

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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2020, 10:33:32 PM »
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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2020, 12:05:20 AM »
So while building my Twin Tail T-33, I had got out a F-80/T-33/F-94/TV-1/T2V project box to find something. In the box was various builds in various states of completion. I had been swapping noses and other parts around to create other variants and looking at them again after quite a few years of being on the backburner, I got thinking about what other noses I could put on a F-80 or T-33.

I had read somewhere and it could have been something someone had said in a thread, that the P-80 had elements of the P-38 used, like the nose and wings. I've not found anything to confirm that though ---

But I had a thought, what about a firedog control aircraft with a droop snoot nose from a P-38 put on it. I'd use a T-33, but turn the back seater around so it would be facing backwards. So one spotter in the nose and one in the rear seat, the pilot concentrating on guiding the fire bombers along the drop line ---

EDIT: (a bit later), I just got one of the Dragon P-38 kits out, a pathfinder one. The nose parts are moulded all in clear styrene, and matching up the nose to the T-33 I'm building, this is very doable ---- And I just happen to have two of the droop snoot kits too.
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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2020, 02:59:41 AM »
Re-engine older A-10's with more powerful TF34/CF34 variants and use them for pinpoint drops on hot spots.



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« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2020, 02:26:35 PM »
Here is one I prepared earlier
California Dept of Forestry Bronco. Based on Academy 1/72 Bronco kit.


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« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2020, 02:30:45 PM »
Folks, what fire bomber or maybe crop duster kits are available that you know of?

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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2020, 09:32:11 AM »
Folks, what fire bomber or maybe crop duster kits are available that you know of?

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Aw man! I was gonna say that!
There’s the AH-1 Firewatch Cobra I started a while back. It would be great to see someone complete one! I had a paint failure and loss of heart.

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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2020, 02:34:19 AM »
Thanks guys - that helps.  Does anyone know what standard crop duster kits are available?  Doesn't have to be an existing firebomber.

Ideally something similar to an Air Tractor AT-502 in 1/48.  The best I can come up with from the stash for now is the 1/48 ELAGA kit of the Embraer EMB 202 Ipanema:




I also have a 1/48 Sharkit Transavia PL-12 Airtruk (which could be an alternative option):


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« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2020, 08:16:00 AM »
Thanks guys - that helps.  Does anyone know what standard crop duster kits are available?  Doesn't have to be an existing firebomber.
Well, it would take some (perhaps more than "some") scratchbuilding, but a Cessna 188 AgWagon can be built from Monogram's Cessna 180 kit.  The wings, tail surfaces, landing gear, and engine/propeller section from the firewall forward can be used directly.

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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2020, 08:47:46 AM »
Diorama idea: