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Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« on: April 02, 2020, 02:18:14 AM »
Here's a place for all those ideas/images/inspirations.





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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2020, 10:47:30 AM »


This, but as a half-track.
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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2020, 03:10:29 AM »
From real world:

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Saab Supplying Sweden with Firefighting Capabilities
(Source: Saab; issued April 03, 2020)



Saab has received an order from MSB, the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency, regarding Sweden's aerial firefighting capabilities. The contract is valid during the years 2020-2023.

The order is for the capability to fight fires with two firefighting aircraft, from 1 April to 30 September, through to 2023. Under the contract there is also the opportunity to trigger an option for two more aircraft, beginning with the 2021 fire season. This resource will be available for Sweden and for EU.

Saab has during a period of one year established aerial firefighting capabilities using the Air Tractor AT-802 F firefighting aircraft, with the associated pilot and technician skills, as well as the specific permits for their operation.

"We are part of Sweden's national security and our specialist expertise and flight permits made it natural for us to complement our operations in Nyköping with aerial firefighting capabilities," says Ellen Molin, Head of Saab's Support and Services business area. "It is important to have a prompt national response to forest fires, and this service is going to help deliver that."

The AT-802 F is a water-bombing aircraft that in the event of a forest fire can release 35,000-50,000 litres of water per hour. The firefighting aircraft will be based in Nyköping, where Saab already has aviation operations for, among other things, aerial target towing and support for the Swedish Coast Guard’s aircraft.

From Nyköping, firefighting aircraft can within two hours reach Copenhagen or eastern Finland and within three hours, Luleå in the north of Sweden. If necessary, the firefighting aircraft can be based at another location with advanced technical and maintenance resources. Rapid response to fires is crucial.


Saab serves the global market with world-leading products, services and solutions within military defence and civil security. Saab has operations and employees on all continents throughout the world. Through innovative, pragmatic and collaborative work, Saab constantly develops, adapts and improves new technology to meet the changing requirements of our customers.

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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2020, 05:28:50 AM »
A version of the V-22 in US Forest Service firebomber markings?  A miniature version of MAFSS in the aircraft and with the ability to hover over a body of water and refill the tanks would make for useful capability.  You'd probably need better filtration on the intakes but that's been demonstrated.  I could see this as a role for a number of the early LRIP aircraft.

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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2020, 03:49:13 AM »
Does anyone know of a kit/conversion for or has anyone scratchbuilt a https://www.sei-ind.com/products/bambi-bucket-models/?

I have found this one online but no details:

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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2020, 04:21:25 AM »
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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2020, 04:35:00 AM »
Folks, what fire bomber or maybe crop duster kits are available that you know of?
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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2020, 05:04:27 AM »
Random idea:  Skyraider firebomber
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2020, 05:33:42 AM »
Random idea:  Skyraider firebomber
That would be nice to see if it were to be based on the AD-5/A-1E/A-1F/A-1G as there would be more internal volume without excessive modification to the airframe.
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2020, 08:15:16 AM »
Random idea:  Skyraider firebomber
That would be nice to see if it were to be based on the AD-5/A-1E/A-1F/A-1G as there would be more internal volume without excessive modification to the airframe.

I've read somewhere, the Skyraider had a bomb bay but wasn't used ---- a fuel tank was put in the space.

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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2020, 09:10:37 AM »
Re-engine older A-10's with more powerful TF34/CF34 variants and use them for pinpoint drops on hot spots.

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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2020, 10:32:34 AM »
Random idea:  Skyraider firebomber
That would be nice to see if it were to be based on the AD-5/A-1E/A-1F/A-1G as there would be more internal volume without excessive modification to the airframe.
I've read somewhere, the Skyraider had a bomb bay but wasn't used ---- a fuel tank was put in the space.

Not the Skyraider but more likely the BTD Destroyer that was the predecessor to the Skyraider.  It had a bomb bay by design.
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2020, 10:02:10 PM »
Re-engine older A-10's with more powerful TF34/CF34 variants and use them for pinpoint drops on hot spots.

That's a bit coincidental you should mention CF34's Evan, this last couple of days I've been sorting out details for another project I have in mind, which revolves around CF34's. The subject involved is a CRJ-200 which I'm going to make into a FASS AEW, I was thinking of upgrading the engines by putting the spare nacelles from an A-10 on it. However, after doing a bit of research --- it turns out they have the same engine with practically the same power output ---  :-X  CRJ has CF34's, A-10 has the military version, TF34

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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2020, 10:33:32 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2020, 12:05:20 AM »
So while building my Twin Tail T-33, I had got out a F-80/T-33/F-94/TV-1/T2V project box to find something. In the box was various builds in various states of completion. I had been swapping noses and other parts around to create other variants and looking at them again after quite a few years of being on the backburner, I got thinking about what other noses I could put on a F-80 or T-33.

I had read somewhere and it could have been something someone had said in a thread, that the P-80 had elements of the P-38 used, like the nose and wings. I've not found anything to confirm that though ---

But I had a thought, what about a firedog control aircraft with a droop snoot nose from a P-38 put on it. I'd use a T-33, but turn the back seater around so it would be facing backwards. So one spotter in the nose and one in the rear seat, the pilot concentrating on guiding the fire bombers along the drop line ---

EDIT: (a bit later), I just got one of the Dragon P-38 kits out, a pathfinder one. The nose parts are moulded all in clear styrene, and matching up the nose to the T-33 I'm building, this is very doable ---- And I just happen to have two of the droop snoot kits too.
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« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2020, 02:59:41 AM »
Re-engine older A-10's with more powerful TF34/CF34 variants and use them for pinpoint drops on hot spots.



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« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2020, 02:26:35 PM »
Here is one I prepared earlier
California Dept of Forestry Bronco. Based on Academy 1/72 Bronco kit.


But I do have the CDF Cobra decals in the stash.. but no Cobra sadly.

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« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2020, 02:30:45 PM »
Folks, what fire bomber or maybe crop duster kits are available that you know of?

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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2020, 09:32:11 AM »
Folks, what fire bomber or maybe crop duster kits are available that you know of?

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There’s the AH-1 Firewatch Cobra I started a while back. It would be great to see someone complete one! I had a paint failure and loss of heart.

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« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2020, 02:34:19 AM »
Thanks guys - that helps.  Does anyone know what standard crop duster kits are available?  Doesn't have to be an existing firebomber.

Ideally something similar to an Air Tractor AT-502 in 1/48.  The best I can come up with from the stash for now is the 1/48 ELAGA kit of the Embraer EMB 202 Ipanema:




I also have a 1/48 Sharkit Transavia PL-12 Airtruk (which could be an alternative option):


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« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2020, 08:16:00 AM »
Thanks guys - that helps.  Does anyone know what standard crop duster kits are available?  Doesn't have to be an existing firebomber.
Well, it would take some (perhaps more than "some") scratchbuilding, but a Cessna 188 AgWagon can be built from Monogram's Cessna 180 kit.  The wings, tail surfaces, landing gear, and engine/propeller section from the firewall forward can be used directly.

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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2020, 08:47:46 AM »
Diorama idea:

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« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2020, 10:09:32 AM »
Did all the fire retardant foam in the world end up there?

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« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2020, 08:10:47 PM »
I thought that at one stage High planes did a CAC Ceres (Wirraway derivative)

But looks like this mob do



I know.. wrong scale  :smiley:

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« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2020, 06:24:01 AM »
COFirePrev&Control @COStateFire
DFPC's first 150 day Exclusive Use Single Engine Air Tanker (SEAT) contract started today, and the aircraft is available for response!  #cofire #dfpcfire

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« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2020, 06:38:37 AM »
Fire Aviation @FireAviation
Elsie and Delilah are on the way to Greece. The Air Cranes have finished their assignment in Australia. Erickson photo. https://fireaviation.com/2020/04/03/elsie-and-delilah-are-on-the-way-to-greece/


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« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2020, 07:14:35 AM »
Fire Aviation @FireAviation
Elsie and Delilah are on the way to Greece. The Air Cranes have finished their assignment in Australia. Erickson photo. https://fireaviation.com/2020/04/03/elsie-and-delilah-are-on-the-way-to-greece/

A bloody terrific job they did as well.

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« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2020, 08:46:48 AM »
Little video of MAFFS being used from a C-130:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO6FlVVXQQI

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« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2020, 07:39:21 AM »
Is there any aftermarket accessory/details source for the MAFF nozzles for the C-130 in any scale?  Or is this a make it yourself requirement? 
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« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2020, 08:24:47 PM »
MARDER Infantry Fighting Vehicle repurposed as a forest fire fighter.

Bonus: narrator cupcake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5AzdV9G240

Background -
Airmatic bought surplus Marder A3 tanks from the German government, stripped them of weapons and armor, and installed collapsible water tanks and three nozzles.
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« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2020, 01:14:29 AM »
That's pretty impressive !

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« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2020, 03:40:54 AM »
 :smiley:
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« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2020, 10:07:02 PM »
I think halftracks look great, and the American ones are no exception, so I love these. I've seen most of them before, but I just don't tire of US halftrack variants, and there seems to be no end to them.

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« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2020, 11:35:34 PM »
Don't forget this one . . .   :))


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« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2020, 08:56:25 AM »
The AS.42 was used post-war by the Italian police, evidently they were painted cherry red,
which suggests a fire-fighting vehicle.



Convert the anti-tank gun to a water-cannon with a hose connecting it to a tanker, the hose
stored in the nose in place of the spare.

Command vehicle with the gun removed and more seats added, plus comms gear?

Or?
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« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2020, 01:01:48 AM »
Electric fire truck: Helsinki 1909


https://www.hs.fi/kaupunki/art-2000002886980.html

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« Reply #47 on: April 26, 2020, 08:14:00 PM »
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« Reply #48 on: April 28, 2020, 07:48:54 AM »
Fire engine based on Light Armored Multi-purpose Transport Vehicle GT-MU



Neat scheme - EMERCOM - Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations



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« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2020, 11:50:29 AM »
Syd Mead engines and ambulance.
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« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2020, 08:16:50 PM »
Apparently during serious bushfires around Sydney a decade or more ago they set up airport fire track across the fire front in one critical area and continuously blasted the fire with their water cannon.  A fleet of milk tanker tracks had been conscripted to bring a constant supply of water to the trucks with the water cannon.

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« Reply #51 on: May 05, 2020, 11:22:32 PM »
My buddy insists on sending me listings from this site. I keep responding "get thee behind me, Satan, and stop pushing".

1965 Mercedes-Benz 319 Fire Truck
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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #52 on: May 06, 2020, 03:12:15 AM »
Apparently during serious bushfires around Sydney a decade or more ago they set up airport fire track across the fire front in one critical area and continuously blasted the fire with their water cannon.  A fleet of milk tanker tracks had been conscripted to bring a constant supply of water to the trucks with the water cannon.

IIRC in California a few years ago there was a problem getting water to the fire trucks. It wasn’t the lack of tanker trucks but the unloading process was holding things up. Problem solved by using concrete trucks which didn’t hold as much as an 18 wheel tanker but could unload very quickly into the portable “swimming pools” that the fire trucks where drawing from. Diorama possibility?

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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2020, 03:26:30 AM »
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And they’re off! Neptune’s T-15 kicks off her season in Lake City, Florida today. Many thanks to Greg Doyle who shared this photo of T-15 on the Saddle Ridge fire in 2019.

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Re: Fire Fighting Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #54 on: June 06, 2020, 02:55:49 AM »
Always, a movie from 1989 with firefighter converted aircraft, lots of C-119's, catalina's, DC-6,....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxMZnKm-kAw
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