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Offline Rickshaw

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #225 on: June 24, 2018, 11:21:35 AM »
Generally, most SPAAG's are reloaded from trucks.  While they have prestigious rates of fire from their guns, they tend to fire in short bursts.  Few if any of them would be able to fire their sustained rate of fire without melting the barrels.   A few have reloading "cassettes" which allow their ammunition supply to be reloaded in one, quick hit.   However, that generally requires rear access and large hatches.   As most SPAAG are conversions from other vehicles, they often have to be reloaded through small ammunition hatches on the turret/hull top.

Most SAMs have specialised reloading vehicles - usually truck mounted, equipped with cranes to handle the large, heavy usually awkwardly shaped missiles.   The Soviets were very good with that, having specialised vehicles in first, second and third line which were designed to speedily allow the reloading on the launchers and their supply vehicles.
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #226 on: June 25, 2018, 04:00:51 AM »
Some photos of a Tunguska loading ammo:



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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #227 on: June 26, 2018, 12:04:46 AM »
First two: examples of the expedient mounts on trucks and APCs.

Second two: Nile 23, perhaps a representation of what it would look like to give the expedient mounts a shelter (and maybe some powered traverse and elevation, for guns that don't have those).
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #228 on: June 27, 2018, 08:16:25 AM »
sustained attack, they would very quickly run out of ammunition wouldn't they. 

Sustained attacks don't really happen, its pretty much a pop-up, roll, and attack run. Typical burst from the twin 35's was 1.5 seconds. Combat bursts, 2.5 seconds, were for incoming ARM's.

ADATS troops of 4 carried 32 missiles ready to fire, and could be resupplied from the 10 ton HLVW or even other ADATS that didn't fire (it would be unlikely to have 2 ADATS covering the same arcs apart from some overlap) 

The Canadian Army is standing up the Air Defence project. I heard they were going around asking for old AD Gunners, as we haven't run a course in many years since giving up that combat function.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #229 on: June 27, 2018, 08:34:44 AM »
Except in Iraq, I read the attack went on for a couple of hours ----   ???

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #230 on: June 28, 2018, 11:06:15 AM »
OK, guess I was wrong.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #231 on: June 28, 2018, 12:49:52 PM »
First three: SWS-2, an export SPAAG from the PRC, with one 35mm gun and four TY-90 missiles.  Although what caught my eyes isn't the turret weapons but the AFV-like chassis- in this case, in two different styles- rather than the logistics truck style that systems like this are often displayed with.

Bottom: FK-1000, an export SAM system from the PRC, with 12 Chinese counterparts to the 9M311 missiles and two 23mm cannons. A poor man's Pantsir-S.
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #232 on: June 29, 2018, 03:13:39 PM »
Some photos of a Tunguska loading ammo:





I can't help but be impressed by the Russian/Soviet emphasis on simplicity and efficiency when it comes to maintenance and replenishment in the field!   

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #233 on: June 30, 2018, 11:41:31 AM »
Apart from those and possibly some truck mounted temporary installations, I am not aware of any dedicated applications.

I would prefer all-weather accommodations, but going one-lower, I was reminded of the style of the Flakpanzer 38(t)...... I'm inclined to wonder if the AMX-13 chassis would have enough room to accommodate the KAA gun(s) installed in that manner...... or even a T-54......

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #234 on: July 12, 2018, 03:17:10 AM »
The original successor to the Chaparral- the Chaparral Chassis Service Life Extension Program.

Sharing chassis with the LAV-25, six hardpoints, at least two of which can carry rocket pods or Hellfire missiles instead of the Chaparral missiles.
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #235 on: July 12, 2018, 05:38:41 PM »
Hello,
no idea, no inspiration, real scratch-build:

M 1047: I saw only 2 photos from this real vehicle in the jap."tank-magazine" and thought, I must build it. The model is a conversion with the M 730-Chaparral(AFV-Club)turret on the LAV (Italeri). I build it in 1995.




M 1108: Only 2 photos from this real vehicle in the Japanese "Tank" magazine and thought, I must build it. The model is a conversion on a longer made M 730-Chaparral (AFV-Club) and the cabin from the MLRS. I build it in 1996.





M727: I built this vehicle in 1994 using the M548 from AFV Club. The rocket launcher is the old Revell model which I built in 1983. I adapt it on my scratch-built conversion. I´ve built it after I saw only two photos in the Squadron magazine. But today a real kit from Dragon. :icon_twisted:





M 975 Roland: The US version of the Roland was only a prototype, I believe. I built the model 1994 with an old M 109 and the Resin turret of HP model and scratched parts.






Didi

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #236 on: July 13, 2018, 02:53:14 AM »
@ Mardemrman - Great work on all of your air defense vehicles!  Also quite an accomplishment to build some of those based on just two images and get the results you have achieved. 
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #237 on: July 21, 2018, 06:31:09 AM »
Inspired work there
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #238 on: July 21, 2018, 10:56:33 PM »
Good read on Bradley Linebacker. I just picked up a Meng M3A3 and plan to do a Whif of a current Linebacker assuming it had gone through 20+ years of upgrades.

https://forums.eugensystems.com/viewtopic.php?t=47122