Author Topic: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration  (Read 50819 times)

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #210 on: September 29, 2017, 09:27:00 AM »
Looks like another chop-shop special; SA-6 "Gainful" ( 2K12 "Kub") launcher, which appears to have been taken from the M-113 to the left, fitted onto an Iveco Puma 6x6.
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #211 on: September 29, 2017, 12:38:28 PM »
Looks like it should fall over, got to be a lot of lead shot in n the base to keep it from tipping over ;D
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #212 on: September 29, 2017, 02:45:48 PM »
Looks like it should fall over, got to be a lot of lead shot in n the base to keep it from tipping over ;D
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #213 on: September 29, 2017, 08:51:56 PM »
KMW did propose a version of the PzH for the CRAM so why not a SPAAG using Volcano guided rounds with radar and optronics on the turret roof.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #214 on: December 29, 2017, 03:45:28 AM »
One I was not aware of until recently:  Serbian PASARS system with Bofors 40 mm gun and two  RLN-1C SAMs derived from Russian R-13M which is itself derived from the AIM-9.  As such, we are almost getting to a Eastern Bloc Chaparral (if you stretch your thinking...):



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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #215 on: January 29, 2018, 03:21:35 AM »
At least the Serb's had the common sense to combine both gun and missile into one platform!!

I like PASARS system seeming simplicity - and undoubtedly cost effectiveness  :P

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #216 on: June 16, 2018, 02:26:26 AM »
Something different for HAWK missiles:

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #217 on: June 16, 2018, 02:27:19 AM »
And speaking of HAWKs, this might make an interesting diorama:

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #218 on: June 22, 2018, 01:36:55 PM »
Question: outside of the secondary weapon function onboard the T-72 Moderna 1, is anyone aware of any self-propelled anti-aircraft application for the Oerlikon KAA or any other 20mm x 128 cannon?
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #219 on: June 23, 2018, 03:44:30 AM »
Question: outside of the secondary weapon function onboard the T-72 Moderna 1, is anyone aware of any self-propelled anti-aircraft application for the Oerlikon KAA or any other 20mm x 128 cannon?


Whilst not AA applications, the Swiss Saurer Tartaruga and Panzer 58 did use the cannon:







Apart from those and possibly some truck mounted temporary installations, I am not aware of any dedicated applications.
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #220 on: June 23, 2018, 04:20:36 AM »
And speaking of HAWKs, this might make an interesting diorama:



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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #221 on: June 23, 2018, 05:04:03 AM »
Whilst not AA applications, the Swiss Saurer Tartaruga and Panzer 58 did use the cannon......

I used your response as a clue for further Google search and found this (see attachment).

A website claimed that a Swiss prototype was built on the hull of an AMX-13 with four KAA guns.  This is the only picture I found matching the description (minus the certainty of the guns being the KAA).
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #222 on: June 23, 2018, 05:14:48 AM »
Cool
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #223 on: June 23, 2018, 08:23:48 AM »
I find this thread really interesting, the systems shown are sort of where I'd go if I was building some models of them. But then the practical side of my brain kicks in ------ if they were under a sustained attack, they would very quickly run out of ammunition wouldn't they.  So what do the support vehicles look like ? Can they be replenished with ammo quickly ? What sort of supply line do they need ?

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #224 on: June 24, 2018, 03:01:11 AM »
In the case of SPAAGs, I believe that although they do have fantastic rates of fire, in reality they do short bursts.  As for reloading, both they and SAMs are, I believe, typically just reloaded from trucks.  That said, something akin to a M992A2 FAASV for SPAAGs would be interesting:

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