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Offline finsrin

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DC-3F
« on: December 14, 2017, 03:03:39 AM »
Even though have four unfinished kit-bashes (one airplane, three ships) am starting another one.
While searching stash stumbled upon this build.  Not looking to use either kit, just saw the two sitting by each other and thought hmmm might work, lets check it out.
Surprised how well sized for each other the wing roots are.  Of course some some cutting and fussing is involved, no too much.  Was suddenly compelled to do build. 
1/72 DC-3 is being fitted with 1/144 Tu-95 wings to become DC-3F.  "F" for fast.
Turns out Tu-95 plastic is easy-forgiving to work with.  Changing props from contra rotating to single props.  After fiddling with engine housings and props found that if you assemble the right kit included parts just the wrong way (according to Revell), result is perfect set up for installing single props after wing is together such that prop shaft will not recede into housing when attaching prop and prop will rotate.  Which means can paint props off of wing and install last after aircraft is painted.  So nice !

Picture of boxes is attached.  In work pictures soon.


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Re: DC-3F
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2017, 03:54:23 AM »
That's an absolutely killer concept, Bill!

Are you going to swap out the tail planes with the Bear too or are the DC-3 ones already swept enough to work?

In either case, this strikes me as a potential worthy competitor to the DH Heron:



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Offline finsrin

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Re: DC-3F
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2017, 04:26:27 AM »
Thanks Brian. 
Not a "I thought of it" build.  Fate of kits being there together and working.
After looking things over  --  use Tu-95 or parts box swept horizontal stabilizers.
Move main landing gear forward some to stay a tail dragger.
Leaning to airline decals vrs military.
Corporate or private transport ?    Other ?
« Last Edit: December 14, 2017, 05:13:26 AM by finsrin »

Offline finsrin

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Re: DC-3F
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2017, 11:32:04 AM »
First configuration picture is attached.  Need to make some changes.
> Wings close but not true straight ahead. 
> Wings too long, need a clip. 
> Trying different tail wings.  T-38 main wings look possible.
> Can extend fuselage front 4.5 scale feet by inserting part of another DC-3.  Become tricycle gear, not tail dragger.  Need 9ft ?
You get the idea.  Is a start.  More to figure out !
« Last Edit: December 14, 2017, 11:34:37 AM by finsrin »

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Re: DC-3F
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2017, 12:08:13 PM »
Thatís looking awesome!

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Re: DC-3F
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2017, 01:37:03 PM »
1/72 DC-3 is being fitted with 1/144 Tu-95 wings to become DC-3F.  "F" for fast.
"Fast and Furious"? Or/and Funny... ;) Thanks a lot! :-*

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Re: DC-3F
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2017, 05:36:26 PM »
A wonderful concept!

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Re: DC-3F
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2017, 06:53:25 PM »
Wow that looks great Bill!

I can see the benefit of lengthening the fuselage but if this were my build, I'd leave it as is since complications tend to slow me down and sap my modeling mojo.

I'm thinking civil or VIP transport. Personally, I'd be tempted to put Aeroflot livery on it just to mess with people.

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Offline finsrin

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Re: DC-3F
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2017, 08:02:13 PM »
Thanks all  --  glad you like concept/idea/etc....

Have to agree:  "if this were my build, I'd leave it as is since complications tend to slow me down and sap my modeling mojo."
Messiness of cutting-patching fuselage probably destroy front finish.  Or clobber whole build.  Is decided,,, won't do that.

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Later.... let comments sink in awhile.
Will put jetliner style sideways flipping landing gear in wing root area.  Can remain tail dragger, no problem.
Put on Aeroflot livery (need to check if have any).  Trailing wing bulges that hold Tu-95 landing gear become Vodka transport tanks.  Each tank gets filler and drain caps.  Politburo VIP transport operated by Aeroflot.
Or,,, go with US airline or MATS markings.  Trailing wing bulges are fuel tanks.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2017, 11:37:24 PM by finsrin »

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Re: DC-3F
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2017, 04:56:06 AM »
I agree with everyone else: that first config photo looks just awesome! I want one already!
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Re: DC-3F
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2017, 05:25:45 AM »
> Wings too long, need a clip. 
Disagree, especially if you stretch the fuselage. The wings will look good on a stretched fuselage. I suspect the area of the swept wing is probably not much different that the regular DC-3 wing as it appears it has less average chord (especially nearer the tip) than the DC wing, even if longer.
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> Can extend fuselage front 4.5 scale feet by inserting part of another DC-3.  Become tricycle gear, not tail dragger.  Need 9ft ?
May I humbly suggest adding the plug behind the wings? the wing sweep and position of the engines will move the lift centre aft, you need more mass (the plug) to balance it out. Take a look at the Bear. The wings roots are relatively close to the front of the aircraft.

Just some thoughts.

Paul

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Re: DC-3F
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2017, 05:58:49 AM »
Thanks all for comments.

Wings:  Agree with Paul's disagree.  Will not clip !
Fuselage:  Leaving as is.  Simpler, avoids screwing it up.  Landing gear placement will be close to original DC-3 position, remains a tail dragger. 
Remembering is a DC-3 refitted with higher speed wing inspired by Tu-95.


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Re: DC-3F
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2017, 11:37:43 AM »
It's looking awesome already! The Tu-95 main gear may look good, too.

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Re: DC-3F
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2017, 01:54:27 PM »
 :smiley: :smiley:

Puts me in mind of one of the DC-9 concepts before they settled on the aft mounted twin engines.
Model 2067 with four engines.

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Re: DC-3F
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2017, 06:33:37 PM »
First configuration picture is attached.  Need to make some changes.
> Wings close but not true straight ahead. 
> Wings too long, need a clip
> Trying different tail wings.  T-38 main wings look possible.
> Can extend fuselage front 4.5 scale feet by inserting part of another DC-3.  Become tricycle gear, not tail dragger.  Need 9ft ?
You get the idea.  Is a start.  More to figure out !

As said above, leave the wings as is.  It's got a bit of Comet 1 look to it.
I would suggest putting the plug in between the rear of the wing and the door Bill not in the front. CG is moved way back as you have it now ----

« Last Edit: December 15, 2017, 06:36:23 PM by kitnut617 »