Sukhoi Su-7/17/20/22 Ideas and inspiration

[Daryl J.]

Su-22M-3

Skiis, no wheels/tires
Natural metal
Arctikhemed from a Tintin adventure in the ice laden northlands.

[GTX_Admin]

I have plans to do one as a RN carrier based attack aircraft in this sort of scheme:

[GTX_Admin]

How about a Cuban Su-7:

[GTX_Admin]

I have a 1/48 Su-22M4 int he stash that I plan to do up as a RN FAA carrier based attacker some day - images like this inspire me:




Am thinking of it as a Supermarine-Vickers-Armstrongs competitor to the Blackburn Buccaneer and utilising Barnes Wallis's swing wing technology.

[GTX_Admin]

Further to the last, I am thinking a de Havilland Gyron as the engine.

[Geoff]

At present working on an updated version of the original Su-7A fighter with an updated radar and AA-1 armarment.

[elmayerle]

How about a SU-22M4 wing mated to a fuselage derived from the SU-15M or SU-15TM?

[M.A.D]

I have a 1/48 Su-22M4 int he stash that I plan to do up as a RN FAA carrier based attacker some day - images like this inspire me:




Am thinking of it as a Supermarine-Vickers-Armstrongs competitor to the Blackburn Buccaneer and utilising Barnes Wallis's swing wing technology.

Nice pics 😯👍

MAD

[Geoff]

Hmmmm 

[GTX_Admin]

How about a SU-22M4 wing mated to a fuselage derived from the SU-15M or SU-15TM?

You were saying:



http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=193.msg1783#msg1783

[ysi_maniac]

StarFitter

[ysi_maniac]

Phantomskhoi

[GTX_Admin]

Random idea:  Indian Air Force Su-22 instead of MiG-27

[apophenia]

Random idea:  Indian Air Force Su-22 instead of MiG-27

I could definitely see that.

Most of the IAF complaints about the Su-7 were addressed by the Su-22 - due to VG, the latter needed less runway and had more forgiving flight characteristics. Many sources say that the Su-7 was faster but that was at altitude (on the deck, they were about the same).

One weakness retained was poor combat range. That said, the airframes were equally tough - and the IAF Su-7s did have a reputation for being able to absorb AA fire and come home again.

The discussion above got me wondering about other Western types which could have benefitted from a Su-17-style VG treatment ...

[Jeffry Fontaine]

The swing wing Buccaneer looks awesome from above. 

[apophenia]

The swing wing Buccaneer looks awesome from above.

Thanks, Jeff. I'm thinking keep the Buccaneer's main gear for that one (maybe Sukhoi gear for the F-101?).

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Hard to determine best location for the MLG on the Voodoo.  The damned thing had such small wings from the start and the Su-17/22 MLG would be almost the same location on the VG wing as it would be on the original Voodoo wing.  So I would hazard to guess that either MLG would work on the Voodoo. 

The VG wing from the Su-17/22 works well on both subjects but does reduce the number of stores stations available to pretty much zero on both and in case of the Voodoo which had only two small pylons for ECM pods on some models to the Buccaneer which had four plus the weapons bay that is a pretty significant reduction in payload capability. 

[apophenia]

Hard to determine best location for the MLG on the Voodoo.  The damned thing had such small wings from the start and the Su-17/22 MLG would be almost the same location on the VG wing as it would be on the original Voodoo wing.  So I would hazard to guess that either MLG would work on the Voodoo. [...]

So, from a modelling point of view, probably best to stay with the Voodoo main gear (to match F-101 nose gear height).

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The VG wing from the Su-17/22 works well on both subjects but does reduce the number of stores stations available to pretty much zero on both and in case of the Voodoo which had only two small pylons for ECM pods on some models to the Buccaneer which had four plus the weapons bay that is a pretty significant reduction in payload capability.

Yes, that is the real issue. On the Buccaneer, the narrower gear allows at least the drop tanks on the fixed wing portion. Maybe another pair of short pylons outboard for self-defence missiles? The latter would be all you'd get on the  Voodoo wings (so same as those RW ECM pods you mentioned).

I suppose the next question would be: how does the Sukhoi's swinging panels' integral fuel tank capacity compare with that of the original Bucc or Voodoo wings?