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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #1025 on: June 28, 2026, 10:59:28 PM »
FV603 Saracen Update:

No scratch building... What a joy!!!

Straight on to the undercoat...








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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #1026 on: June 29, 2026, 12:00:21 AM »
No scratch building... What a joy!!!

Who are you? And what have you done to our Claymore?  :-\


In other news:

It's nice to see you enjoying a simple OoB build!  :smiley:

Always fun ... Until the dreaded AWMS* kicks in.  :o



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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #1027 on: June 29, 2026, 02:23:28 AM »
No scratch building... What a joy!!!

Who are you? And what have you done to our Claymore?  :-\


In other news:

It's nice to see you enjoying a simple OoB build!  :smiley:

Always fun ... Until the dreaded AWMS* kicks in.  :o



[*: AWMS - Advanced Whif Modeller's Syndrome]

 ;D ;D ;D I have him locked in the basement!  ;D ;D ;D

I know what you mean - the temptation to add mechanical legs to my Saracen build is almost unbearable!  ;)
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #1028 on: June 29, 2026, 07:18:13 AM »
I know what you mean - the temptation to add mechanical legs to my Saracen build is almost unbearable!  ;)

There are limits to what is allowed on Classic Military Vehicles  :o

Really keen to see this build happen out of the box, almost real time as well. I am so keen to get my hands on this kit, so this is just a huge tease.


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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #1029 on: June 29, 2026, 09:16:31 AM »
I know what you mean - the temptation to add mechanical legs to my Saracen build is almost unbearable!  ;)

If you put mechanical legs on a Saracen, does that make it a Scarab?  ???





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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #1030 on: June 29, 2026, 10:24:02 AM »
 ;D
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #1031 on: June 29, 2026, 01:02:29 PM »
Beautiful OTB Saracen! Airfix should hire you - or give you a few free kits - in exchange for the free advertising; I wasn't planning on getting one, but now I am as soon as it makes it over to the US.

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #1032 on: June 29, 2026, 03:50:10 PM »
There are limits to what is allowed on Classic Military Vehicles  :o

Really keen to see this build happen out of the box, almost real time as well. I am so keen to get my hands on this kit, so this is just a huge tease.

I’m sure that folks will be able to do great things with all the beautiful internal detail too.  For this build, it’s enough for me just to know it’s in there!  :smiley:

If you put mechanical legs on a Saracen, does that make it a Scarab?  ???

[We'll quietly ignore the 1990's developed Alvis 4x4 Recce Vehicle of the same name.]

 ;D ;D ;D

Beautiful OTB Saracen! Airfix should hire you - or give you a few free kits - in exchange for the free advertising; I wasn't planning on getting one, but now I am as soon as it makes it over to the US.

High praise indeed - you are most kind…
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #1033 on: July 04, 2026, 07:46:49 PM »
I usually like to make a 3D line of the project I am undertaking, one, to give me an idea of what is and isn't possible scale-wise and two, to give me a rough plan to work from when scaled to 1/35.

Example of my Tracked Sky Sabre:


Sometime, however, I just like to draw up random ideas to see if it piques my interest and occasionally, I get asked to draw up someone else's ideas from a TL they are working on - all are great sources of inspiration.  This is one such effort produced for one of the forum members of my thread on the Alternatehistory.com site...

I added a bit of a backstory to give credibility to the design. The important design requirements were that it be based off of the Cromwell series of AFVs and that it mounted a QF 28 pdr main gun (a RL experimental gun). Normally, I would only do a side and front elevation drawing but, as I got into the groove, I decided a plan and rear elevation would be fun to do.

Backstory
As the Allied advance closed in on Germany, the likelihood of encountering significant heavy fortifications increased and, consequently, the need for an armoured vehicle capable of breaching those same fortifications was never far from the minds of the Allied Commanders. The Churchill was a good infantry support tank but its somewhat obsolete design severely limited its potential for upgrading and, in particular, its limited firepower. Several attempts had been made during 1942-43 to produce a heavy tank but all had meat with limited success, outright failure or were stuck on the drawing board.

In late 1943, in a fit of desperation, the Tank Design Board commissioned the Birmingham Railway Carriage & Wagon Company (BRC&WC) to design a heavy based on the hull of their A30 Challenger/Avenger. The new tank (designated A40 Coniston) was to incorporate only existent technologies in order to limit production delays but would have the authority to dip into any and all on-going design projects. Other than the basic hull, the only other specified design criterion was that it should carry the QF 28 pdr as the desired weapon for its intended assault function.

To the purists, the end result was a bit of a ‘cobble pot’ affair but, the Coniston was, nevertheless, ready for field testing within the year – an achievement unheard off in the annuls of British tank design.

A40 Coniston   
Type:                        Heavy Assault Tank
Place of Origen:         United Kingdom
Service History   
In service:                 1944-1946
Used by:                    United Kingdom
Wars:                        World War 2
Production History   
Designer:                   Birmingham Railway Carriage & Wagon Company
Manufacturer:             English Electric
Produced:                   1944
No built:                     12
Specifications   
Mass:                        50t
Length:                      Hull only 7.37m (24’ 2”), with gun forward 9.03m (29’ 7.5”)
Width:                       3.37m (11’)
Height:                      2.88m (9’ 5”)
Crew:                        5 (Commander, gunner, loader, driver, co-driver)
Armour:                     50-140mm (2.0-5.5”)
Main armament:        QF 28 pdr, 94mm (3.7”) rifled gun; 72 rounds carried
Secondary armament: 2 x 7.92mm Besa machine guns
Engine:                       Rolls Royce Meteor 4B 650hp (480kW) at 2550rpm
Power/weight:             13hp/t (9.2kW/t)
Suspension:                Modified Horstmann
Ground clearance:       0.5m (1’ 8”)
Operational range:      100km (62.5mi)
Maximum speed:        36km/h (22.5mph)

Drawing design breakdown   
Upper hull:                A30 Challenger/Avenger
Lower hull:                A45/FV201 Universal Tank (later became FV214 Conqueror)
Front hull:                 A34 Comet
Rear hull:                  A30 Avenger and A45/FV201 Universal Tank
Suspension:              A45/FV201 Universal Tank
Roadwheels:              A45/FV201 Universal Tank
Tracks & front idler:    A41 Centurion
Turret:                       A43 Black Prince
Main gun:                  A43 Black Prince stretched to QF 28 pdr dimensions


« Last Edit: July 04, 2026, 08:50:12 PM by Claymore »
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #1034 on: July 04, 2026, 09:26:56 PM »
"Cobble pot" is an understatement!  :-\

There is this:



A tad smaller than your Frankensteinian monster!  ;)
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #1035 on: July 05, 2026, 01:28:09 AM »
"Cobble pot" is an understatement!  :-\

There is this:



A tad smaller than your Frankensteinian monster!  ;)

Yup, but you probably wouldn’t want to be attacking the Westwall in that open-topped coupé! 😳 🤣
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #1036 on: July 05, 2026, 02:05:20 AM »
They're Canadians, they probably would, you know, they're almost as insane as Aussies!  ;)
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #1037 on: July 05, 2026, 02:36:02 AM »
They're Canadians, they probably would, you know, they're almost as insane as Aussies!  ;)

 ;D

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #1038 on: Yesterday at 11:37:13 PM »
FV603 Saracen Update:

The last in my Cold War, British Territorial Army (TA) armoured reconnaissance troop trilogy is complete. As always, the painting stage has taken forever - partly (mainly) because it's a pain in the bum.  Anyhoo, if that's all I have to worry about - I guess it's OK. ;)

So, the backstory and pics...

FV603 Saracen Mk 5

Fact [1]:
The Alvis FV603 Saracen was a 6-wheel armoured personnel carrier (APC) produced from 1952 to 1976. IT WAS PART OF Alvis’ FV600 series of vehicles which all shared a modular chassis system: FV601 Saladin armoured car; FV651 salamander fire tender; and FV620 Stalwart high mobility load carrier. Powered by a Rolls-Royce B80, 8-cylinder petrol engine, it had a crew of 2 and could carry up to 9 fully armed infantrymen. Defensive armament was provided by a L37 GPMG in a fully rotatable turret – earlier models also had a 0.303 Bren or a Browning 0.30 machine gun, on a ring mount, on the aft roof section.

The vehicle was retired from frontline service with the British Army in the late 1970s, but it continued to see extensive use in the internal security role in Northern Ireland well into the 1980s.

The Mk 5 was an up-armoured version based on either the Mk 1 or Mk 2 APC. Upgraded with applique armour, vision blocks also replaced the driver’s periscopes and the side firing ports were plated over. An armoured turret remained but the ring-mounted MG position was plated over.

FV603 Saracen Mk 5:
Produced: 1952-1976
In service: 1952-1983 (British Army)
Mass: 11.0t
Length: 5.0m (16ft 4in)
Width: 2.5m (8ft 3in)
Height: 2.4m (8ft 0in)
Crew: 2 + 9
Armament: 1 x L37 General Purpose MG
Engine: Rolls-Royce B80 Mk 6A, 8-cylinder, petrol – 160hp
Speed: 45mph (72km/h)
Range: 250mls (400km)

Fiction [2,3]:
With the failure of the FV720 Fox program in the early 1970s and the decision to adopts the FV608 Scarab in its place for the Territorial Army’s (TA) recce formations, a number of Regular Army FV603 Saracen Mk 5 were also repurposed to the TA as they, in turn, were being replaced by the FV103 Spartan CVR(T). Within the TA, four yeomanry regiments eventually converted to the Scarab in the armoured reconnaissance role:

Queen’s Own Yeomanry (5 x Squadrons) - 15th TA Bde, 2 UK Infantry Division in support of BAOR.
The Royal Yeomanry (5 x Squadrons) - 49th TA Bde, 2 UK Infantry Division in support of BAOR.
The Duke of Lancaster’s Own Yeomanry (4 x Squadrons) - 2 Inf Bde, Home Defence
The Scottish Yeomanry (4 x Squadrons) - 1 Bn, 51 (Highland) Inf Bde in support of 4 Arm Div, BAOR, and Home Defence.

The yeomanry regiments comprised of 4-5 squadrons each of 12 x Scarab, 4 x Ferret Mk 5 (Swingfire), and 4 x Saracen APC split between 4 x troops, and a squadron HQ of 1 x Saracen CPV, 1 x Ferret Mk 4 and 1 x Saracen ambulance. Within each troop, the Saracen provided a section of infantry which would be used in the close protection of the Ferret Mk 5 Swingfire and/or as dismounted reconnaissance assets.

It is possible that, like the FV608 Scarab and FV712 Ferret Swingfire it served alongside, the FV603 Saracen Mk 5 may have served longer were it not for the end of the Cold War and the subsequent peace dividends that slashed the size of the British Army. All of the TA armoured reconnaissance regiments were disbanded by 1993.

The model depicts the fourth vehicle of 2 Troop, B Squadron, The Scottish Yeomanry in support of 1st Bn, 51 (Highland) Inf Bde during Ex LIONHEART 84. Construction is an Airfix Saracen Mk 5 straight out of the box but with some home-made decals to reflect the AH setting.

References:
1.  Extracted from Airfix FV603 Saracen Mk 5 Instructions.
2.  Extracted from my Saladin R (FV608 Scarab) backstory.
3.  Extracted from my FV712 Ferret Mk 5 Swingfire backstory.








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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #1039 on: Today at 01:26:58 AM »
Stunning little trilogy!  :icon_alabanza:  :icon_alabanza:  :icon_alabanza:  8)
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #1040 on: Today at 01:45:50 AM »
Stunning little trilogy!  :icon_alabanza:  :icon_alabanza:  :icon_alabanza:  8)

Thanks Guy, much appreciated.  :smiley:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #1041 on: Today at 05:38:30 AM »
Just fantastic! Subtle weathering (especially on the tires).