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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #350 on: January 14, 2026, 09:59:13 PM »
I was trying to post the pic and it wouldn’t do it. Tick me off.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #351 on: January 15, 2026, 05:20:06 AM »
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #352 on: January 19, 2026, 07:58:32 PM »
Yes.  Old concept
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #353 on: January 20, 2026, 08:03:12 AM »
That F-16 UAV, a cross between an F-16 and a U-2 wing?  Alternatively, a new wing with the same root and tip chord lengths but much larger span?

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #354 on: January 20, 2026, 03:32:40 PM »
I’d go with the second possibility. I believe it mentions it in the article on the page before this one.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #355 on: January 20, 2026, 07:39:01 PM »
USAF F-16A UCAV: In 1998 Lockheed Martin proposed the F-16A UCAV (Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle) Long Endurance Defender as a low-cost augmentation to the USAF F-16C fleet. Designed for extended endurance/loiter time, the F-16A UCAV would be armed with ground attack munitions and defensive air-to-air missiles. A major structural modification for the UCAV variant would replace the standard F-16 low aspect ratio wing with a 60 ft. high aspect ratio wing. Improved aerodynamics and approximately 22,000 lb. of fuel would potentially increase combat endurance up to eight hours or, at least three times the standard F-16. Other modifications include the removal of the canopy, seat, and cockpit displays and adding an additional 2,300 lb. fuel tank. In addition, the 20mm canon and ammunition drum would be removed to provide capacity for additional data link and communications equipment. To complete the conversion to a UCAV, off-the-shelf automatic landing flight controls and throttle systems would be added to the basic F-16A avionics. Lockheed Martin FY95 R&D cost estimated for the F-16A UCAV program were from $60-$90 million, and conversion estimates for 26 stored F-16 A-model aircraft from $3-$5 million per airframe. Extensive examination of the data concluded that although the unmanned variant was feasible however, other factors were considered. At the time, there were 20-years of technological improvements in the F-16 C-model over the F-16A slated for conversion. Additional F-16A airframe limitations included, incorporating advanced ordnance, avionics, and maintenance. The USAF F-16A UCAV program did not move forward. - Erik Simonsen
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #356 on: January 22, 2026, 02:13:55 PM »
Considering that the M61 and its ammunition drum bridge the space between the forward and center portions of the F-16.  I could see racked equipment being installed in that space using much of the same hardware and mounting points.  If you are dropping the cockpit and related systems, there are several bays that could be repurposed to other uses.  Modelling the wing would be interesting, I could see plenty of ways to model it.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #357 on: May 12, 2026, 03:30:05 PM »
Enhanced F-16:  Start with an F-2A/B-Kai, add a F-22 inspired wing as fitted to the extreme proposal to the UAE (extending the fuselage if necessary), then add a diverterless inlet as trialed on the AFTI-16, and a nozzle combining the best of AVEN and LOAN experimental nozzles.  I could see this in either F-2 markings or F-16 markings.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #358 on: May 13, 2026, 12:54:32 AM »
add a diverterless inlet as trialed on the AFTI-16, and a nozzle combining the best of AVEN and LOAN experimental nozzles. 

Are there conversion kits for these available?

Diverterless Inlet:



LOAN Nozzle:

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #359 on: May 13, 2026, 02:10:03 AM »
Hmmm...
What if you did the F-107 thing and put the nose and cockpit on the bottom and the intake on top?

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #360 on: May 13, 2026, 03:11:52 AM »
Would the diverterless intake come with shark mouth decals? Should be mandatory!

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #361 on: May 13, 2026, 10:20:30 AM »
F-16XL (single seat and two seat) fitted with conformal tanks and avionics spine.
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #362 on: May 13, 2026, 12:34:47 PM »
F-16XL (single seat and two seat) fitted with conformal tanks and avionics spine.

I have one of those on my to do list. F-16XL combined with the parts from an Israeli Sufa to add all the bits and bumps. The diverterless intake would look great on it. I’ve got the kits, I just need to start it up!

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #363 on: Yesterday at 05:23:22 AM »
For the LOAN nozzle, I wonder if a trimmed version of the F-36's nozzle would work.  ISTR that someone in Japan did a diverterless inlet conversion in 1/72 but I don't know if it's still available.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #364 on: Yesterday at 11:02:00 AM »
Early in the F-16 career was the F/A-16 company proposal. I’ve been looking all over the net for info but no joy. There must have been something in a magazine or such as I built a model of it waaaaaay back when. The biggest difference was the three color Euro 1 paint job. If I get down to the basement I might be able to find something on it.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #365 on: Yesterday at 04:39:49 PM »
Early in the F-16 career was the F/A-16 company proposal. I’ve been looking all over the net for info but no joy. There must have been something in a magazine or such as I built a model of it waaaaaay back when. The biggest difference was the three color Euro 1 paint job. If I get down to the basement I might be able to find something on it.
wasn't that the effort to hang a GEPOD on the centerline hardpoint>  ISTR that Esci did a boxing of that.  Concept din't work in real life, even that stores point couldn't take the loads from that cannon.

Odd thought: Since the Oerlikon KCA, that flew on the Viggen, used the same ammunition as the GAU-8 and GEPOD, but gun pods built around single Oerlikon KCA cannons be practical of a variety of uses?

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #366 on: Today at 01:07:36 AM »
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #367 on: Today at 01:10:07 AM »
For the LOAN nozzle, I wonder if a trimmed version of the F-36's nozzle would work.  ISTR that someone in Japan did a diverterless inlet conversion in 1/72 but I don't know if it's still available.

The F135 nozzle might work.
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #368 on: Today at 01:34:11 AM »
Early in the F-16 career was the F/A-16 company proposal. I’ve been looking all over the net for info but no joy. There must have been something in a magazine or such as I built a model of it waaaaaay back when. The biggest difference was the three color Euro 1 paint job. If I get down to the basement I might be able to find something on it.

There isn't a lot of info out there:

https://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article18.html#google_vignette - this one is confusing since it also implies the original A-16 incorporated an internal GAU-8
https://www.sandboxx.us/news/f-16s-carrying-the-a-10s-30mm-cannon-actually-saw-combat/

They did look good:




The GPU-5 pod option was trialed:





Accuracy was reportedly a problem.

Mind you a whatif dedicated ground attack variant without the cannon or perhaps with an internal 30mm Oerlikon KCA (as the GAU-9/A - real world designation) might be a more viable option (see below):



The KCA firing Armor-Piercing (AP) rounds at a muzzle velocity of 1030 m/s h.  Compare this the the GAU-8/A muzzle velocity of 1,013 m/s so one might expect them to have conceivable similar armour penetration capabilities though the latter probably wins given overall weight of fire (1,350 rpm for KCA vs up to 3,900 rpm for the GAU-8/A).
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