Author Topic: Amphibious Ships, Vessels, and Landing Craft  (Read 5262 times)

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Re: Amphibious Ships, Vessels, and Landing Craft
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2013, 05:02:04 AM »
Yes, I like.
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Re: Amphibious Ships, Vessels, and Landing Craft
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2013, 05:08:06 AM »
I was a bit stumped when I opened this can of worms.  So many variations on the theme to choose from and soon found myself creating a monster list where normally you would only have one or two links to the subject. 

Woke up this morning thinking about modifying one of my 1:35th scale LCM kits into a diver support boat which is what got me started on this as there was no place to share that idea until now :)
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Re: Amphibious Ships, Vessels, and Landing Craft
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2013, 05:39:13 AM »
Late 60s Bell concept, from JANE'S Surface Skimmer Systems 1967-68.



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Re: Amphibious Ships, Vessels, and Landing Craft
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2013, 07:42:36 AM »
The RAN is in the process of retiring their Landing Craft Heavy (LCH), with three gone and three to go. With over 40 years service they have done almost any mission you could imagine from classic amphibious assault to logistics, in shore hydrograghic survey to boarder protection patrols (very slow ones ). Even though old they still do their jobs very well and economically and could be kept in service for a couple of decades longer.

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Re: Amphibious Ships, Vessels, and Landing Craft
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2013, 02:09:14 AM »
Late 60s Bell concept, from JANE'S Surface Skimmer Systems 1967-68.



Not too far off form the LCAC's the USN is now looking to replace and retire.

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Re: Amphibious Ships, Vessels, and Landing Craft
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2016, 08:23:36 AM »
Models of Republic of China (a.k.a. Taiwan) Navy's planned Landing Platform Dock.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2016, 11:10:53 PM by dy031101 »
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Re: Amphibious Ships, Vessels, and Landing Craft
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2016, 08:46:17 AM »
That LPD looks a lot like the US San Antonio class; I wonder if the hanger doors can accommodate folded V-22's?  Also be interesting to see if the docking well can easily take LCAC's or their replacement SSC's.

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Re: Amphibious Ships, Vessels, and Landing Craft
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2016, 10:27:59 AM »
That LPD looks a lot like the US San Antonio class......

About half its displacement.

...... I wonder if the hanger doors can accommodate folded V-22's?

Don't know although the closest thing ROCN can procure from abroad would be MH-53E (which I don't think is going to happen at this point).  The helipad should be able to handle and refuel CH-47SD, but the hangar is likely arranged with S-70C(M) in mind.

Also be interesting to see if the docking well can easily take LCAC's or their replacement SSC's.

Likely just old-school LCUs.
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Re: Amphibious Ships, Vessels, and Landing Craft
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2016, 10:46:10 AM »
I could see them being the first to purchase export MH-53K's, but I doubt the CH-53E and/or MH-53E will ever go up for sale, even when replaced as they are just too worn out to be worth it.  I still like the idea of ROCN MV-22B's and think their camo scheme would look good on one.

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Re: Amphibious Ships, Vessels, and Landing Craft
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2016, 07:11:18 PM »
I could see a San Antonio being upgraded like this, medium calibre gun or even an AGS, perhaps a VLS and improved sensors, maybe a CEAFAR Mast. 

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Re: Amphibious Ships, Vessels, and Landing Craft
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2016, 01:13:15 AM »
I could see them being the first to purchase export MH-53K's, but I doubt the CH-53E and/or MH-53E will ever go up for sale, even when replaced as they are just too worn out to be worth it.

MH-53E was an item that was brought up during the Bush Jr. administration.  If ROCN wasn't going to take it then, it's extremely unlikely that they ever will take it.

I don't know which one I'd like better for airborne mine countermeasure, MH-53K or MH-60S (so as to also be able to use the vacant second hangar on Cheng Kung a.k.a. O.H. Perry class frigates).

I could see a San Antonio being upgraded like this, medium calibre gun or even an AGS, perhaps a VLS and improved sensors, maybe a CEAFAR Mast.

ROCN feels inclined to arm their ships this way because it's unlikely they will be procuring any equivalent of the Arleigh Burke class DDG.  Equivalent of LCF is much more likely.

Featured word- inclined.  The recently commissioned AOE was to have a Mk.75 gun as well; and then the ship gets a Sea Chaparral launcher instead.
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Re: Amphibious Ships, Vessels, and Landing Craft
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2016, 02:34:40 AM »
and then the ship gets "value-engineered"

Is that the term officially used or your own description?  If the latter please chose a different description - Value Engineering is a quite legitimate, useful process and should not be confusingly misrepresented as a derogatory term.
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Re: Amphibious Ships, Vessels, and Landing Craft
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2016, 02:53:14 AM »
Late 60s Bell concept, from JANE'S Surface Skimmer Systems 1967-68.



Not too far off form the LCAC's the USN is now looking to replace and retire.


3-view of the SK-10 that I thought I had posted, turns out I hadn't.  :-\

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Re: Amphibious Ships, Vessels, and Landing Craft
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2016, 03:22:39 AM »
When Greg and I went to the Niagara Aerospace Museum a year ago at the old Bell Plant in Niagara Falls, I took the following pictures with my iPhone.

EDIT (July 2017): Photos moved to Flickr and reposted.

IMG_1867 by Carl Wimmi, on Flickr

IMG_1868 by Carl Wimmi, on Flickr

IMG_1869 by Carl Wimmi, on Flickr

IMG_1870 by Carl Wimmi, on Flickr

IMG_1871 by Carl Wimmi, on Flickr

IMG_1873 by Carl Wimmi, on Flickr

IMG_1874 by Carl Wimmi, on Flickr
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