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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #325 on: November 30, 2019, 12:11:21 PM »
Read Shackleton's paper/book and it clearly illustrates the issue is, time and time again governments outline strategies / political needs, that set capability requirements and then only fund the bare minimum (if that) to acquire the capabilities their strategies / desire demand.

They look at short term acquisition costs, not through life sustainment and upgrade costs, let alone the need to be planning the next generation of upgrades or even capability replacement / evolution, well before a required in service date.  The reason the RAN got the Adams class DDGs was there was nothing cheaper that met the requirements and even then they required extensive modernisation and improvements shortly after entering service and spent much of their careers slipping behind the required capability improvements, before finally being superseded by even less capable upgraded frigates.

Collins hope was getting the carriers in service they would prove themselves and earn more capable replacements, well they proved themselves but weren't replaced.  It could even me argued that a more capable carrier class, able to operate more advanced aircraft, could have mitigated the need to buy the DDGs when we did.

According to the paper buying a more capable, but also more expensive design, i.e. the USNs Belknap class DLG, instead of the Adams likely would have been better value for money and if the USN upgrade path was followed, cheaper to own and operate over their lives while being far more relevant and useful through that life.  Because we bought the lower end of the carrier escort capability we spent their entire service lives trying to lift them to the next level., now we are repeating the entire process again 40 years later, buying a smaller, less capable ship than required and then spending big to get some, but not all, of the desired missing capability.

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #326 on: December 26, 2019, 02:12:36 PM »
Question: I'm trying to understand meaning of aircraft carrier deck marking- particularly the one for angled landing decks- for a Shipbucket project.  Particularly I wish to aim for the minimum necessary to facilitate MiG-29K (MiG-29M-based Product 9.31) operations.

I included an attachment to help illustrating what I'm trying to do.

First, would a length of 628 ft and a width of 56.5 ft be sufficient for, say, touch-and-goes and wave-offs?

Second, outside of marking boundaries, is there any special meaning to the "white stripes with deck colour dashes" flanking the landing path?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #327 on: January 02, 2020, 11:22:37 PM »
Second, outside of marking boundaries, is there any special meaning to the "white stripes with deck colour dashes" flanking the landing path?
Pretty sure they're just "Aim here" boundary markings.

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #328 on: January 03, 2020, 02:05:13 AM »
Second, outside of marking boundaries, is there any special meaning to the "white stripes with deck colour dashes" flanking the landing path?
Pretty sure they're just "Aim here" boundary markings.
Same goes for me.   Turned them around on Mega-Carrier by placing narrow stripe on inside of landing area.  Reverse of modern carriers.

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #329 on: March 24, 2020, 01:00:19 AM »
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #330 on: March 24, 2020, 02:24:01 AM »
Interesting
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #331 on: April 23, 2020, 07:10:50 AM »
Two idea and inspiration pictures attached.

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #332 on: April 23, 2020, 03:21:05 PM »
Imagine the blast damage to parked aircraft! :o

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #333 on: April 25, 2020, 10:52:47 AM »
Do change arounds including 16? inch guns delete and fiddling with size to come up with B-36 capable 1/700 carrier.

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #334 on: June 04, 2020, 02:41:58 AM »
Random idea:  paint up carrier in this sort of scheme:

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #335 on: June 04, 2020, 05:04:20 PM »
 ;D :smiley:
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #336 on: August 23, 2020, 04:09:49 PM »
Just a half-baked notion...but what about a hybrid STOBAR/CATOBAR carrier design, as a cost saving measure, which technically might facilitate a somewhat smaller carrier design with conventional aircraft benifits...
The hybrid notion is a shorter stroke steam or electric catapult, which instead of running to the end of the flight-deck, runs up to the start of a ski-jump ramp, with the ski-jump complementing the catapults derived kinetic energy with the angle of attack = lift...
So, I envisaged this arrangement being more effective than the inherent STOBAR arrangement currently employed, for the existing use of STOBAR / Su-33, MiG-29K, Tejas and J-15 used by Russian, Indian, and Chinese, because these aircraft have to sacrifice internal fuel and weapons loads, taking away their full potential/capability, just to take off...
My notion is that with the combination of short catapult combined with a ski-jump, such aircraft, as well as the likes of F/A-18A/B/C/D Hornet, S-2T Turbo Tracker, E-2 Hawkeye and Rafale M could be used both effectively and economically from a carrier design that is smaller, lighter and hence cheaper.
As an addition, I envisage, in the scenario in which the catapult is down (be it break down or battle damage) aircraft - prodomantly fighter's could still be launched for defence of the carrier/fleet, alas with reduced fuel and weapons load....

Any way, just a thought 😳

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #337 on: September 16, 2020, 02:44:41 AM »
Just a toy I know but still.... ;)



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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #338 on: September 16, 2020, 07:34:16 AM »
 ;D A different take on the battleship/carrier hybrid.

The red aircraft look like an F-5/F-16 hybrid with diverterless intakes. Interesting idea. Could turn out somewhat JF-17- or F-CK-1-ish, but might be an idea for a next generation Tiger/Tigershark.
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #339 on: September 16, 2020, 10:05:08 PM »
They appear to have nine (or is it 10? ???) mega-marine battle-bots, too! :o
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #340 on: September 17, 2020, 09:11:52 AM »
Always liked the idea of light carriers, not hybrid carrier cruisers or carrier destroyers, but small, fast carriers providing aviation support command and control to flotillas and squadrons of corvettes, frigates, destroyers and cruisers.