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Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« on: January 14, 2012, 10:19:29 AM »
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2012, 03:27:03 PM »


(The above pic was based very loosely on a Hong Kong comic but now follows the proper PLAN ship naming convention- so nope, that ex-Varyag would very unlikely be called Shi-Lang even if we leave out the "turncoat for the Manchu" details.)

Those bigger guns are single 130mm upgraded to fire guided shells (originally developed for Luda class DDG), BTW:


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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2012, 04:16:25 PM »
A couple of ideas.  What about turning either the Wasp class LHD or the Invincible class light Carriers into conventional carriers with angled decks and either catapults or STOBAR style ski jump?

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2012, 02:03:52 AM »
Not really a conversion, but a "what if it's built this way?" kind of thing.



Yes, I realized that I have not got around making a top view.  :-X
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2012, 02:41:05 AM »
I see what you have done.  I wonder what aircraft would have been suitable in the '80's/'90s timeframe.  Maybe A-7s as replacements for A-4s?  Sea Jaguars?  Naval BAE Hawk 100/200s?

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2012, 03:10:58 AM »
Maybe A-7s as replacements for A-4s? 

That's what I thought, too.

Sea Jaguar...... I forgot about its weight and takeoff performance compared to the Buccaneer and Sea Vixen (I mentioned those two for being the final airwing onboard a Centaur class carrier, whose size I mimicked for the Shipbucket pic).
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2012, 03:25:44 AM »
Production Sea Jaguar with the radar nose and LRMTS underneath and most definitely with the later, more powerful Adour versions if not re-engined with M45s (engines proposed for the AFVG).  For light attack, perhaps a cross between the Hawk 200 and the T-45 and sold as an AT-45 for use on some of the USN's smaller carriers?

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2012, 04:54:35 AM »
I wonder...conventional (i.e. non VTOL) Harrier/Sea Harrier anyone?

Alternately, a naval AMX?
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2012, 10:34:48 AM »
Navalised AMX is a sexy idea in a world where Italy had the will/money to build a small conventional carrier instread of the Garibaldi, because AMX development was shared with Brazil and they have a small carrier too.
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2012, 12:50:27 AM »
I have the materials for a build of a slightly-stretched Yorktown-class carrier with an angled deck. The Essex-class Antietam model (1/700) has the early-style angled deck, and I am hoping to mate that to a semi-Yorktown hull/superstructure. I made a 1/1200 angled-deck Enterprise (no lengthening) a long time ago, and liked the concept. My "Furashita's Fleet" has my concept in the form of "Bon Homme Richard":

http://www.combinedfleet.com/furashita/bonhom_f.htm

I will have some "Douglas Decimators" on the deck! Not near the top of my to-build list, but ON the list!
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2012, 07:12:55 AM »
Use two kits of Forrestal to NImitz class and build as cattamaran class. Delete one island.  One side is primary for takeoff other is primary for landings.  With full deck length for takeoff/landing and a megacatapult to launch C-17 C-130 Privateer B-57 B-58...... whatever you want to navalize or stick with naval aircraft.  A swarm of F8F, F4U-4, A-1

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2012, 09:24:00 AM »
I got inspired by a recent post on the F-14 thread to create a carrier for an operator of a stripped-down (as built) version of the F-14.

(It should be more than 4 hours since I posted the current version already, so the below-mentioned changes should all be visible now.)

Basically I took an existing drawing of a QE-style CV and replaced some visibly-advanced features (island, for example) with older ones, adding a couple of others (like a bow bridle catcher), and giving the result a sensor suite equivalent to a Sea Control Ship.  The Ka-27 is there because I was also toying with the idea of Russians going after hard currencies...... even though I haven't even decided what country that stripped-down F-14 operator might be or if it'll go straight into parallel universe category altogether.

Is there such concerns as "the electronics suite being inadequate to control the F-14s"?  Or am I just thinking too much?
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2012, 04:27:54 AM »
Does anyone know if it is possible to get a kit of the Catapult launcher as proposed for the Graf Zeppelin:


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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2012, 01:52:50 AM »
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2012, 02:35:10 AM »
Definitely doable...just not cheap!
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2012, 02:36:48 AM »
Not necessarily inspiring though perhaps of use for detailing: http://igor113.livejournal.com/27473.html
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2012, 11:53:58 AM »
The question began when I remembered reading somewhere that Yak-41 (a.k.a. Yak-141) is primarily intended for shore-based operation as its exhaust heat is considered too hot even for the heat-resistant materials available for the former Soviets to build flight decks with.

I wonder if having the aircraft hovering alongside the ship rather than directly over the ship itself would help alleviate the problem......

Also, is there other STOVL designs (East and West, of all timeframes) that might have the same "too hot for carrier flight deck" problem?  I mean Mirage IIIV, VJ-101, D188A, and a few others from the West also uses liftjets.  How far along is the West when it comes to making heat-resistant flight deck?

Actually, how different a challenge is fabricating a flight deck capable of supporting the above-mentioned aircraft from, say, the jet blast deflectors on CATOBAR or STOBAR carriers?
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2012, 12:30:08 PM »
I suspect that a naval P.1154 taking off with full PCB engaged would quite warm up a deck.

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2012, 09:41:00 AM »
How much demand would rolling takeoff bring to a flight deck compared to hovering?

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My first thought when seeing the attached picture is "why would you put a proper through-deck and skijump together with skyhook cranes?"

What's your opinion?
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2012, 03:11:51 AM »
Maybe to use the skyhook for landings but to use the ski-jump for takeoffs since it allows potentially a greater payload to be carried.
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2012, 03:32:58 AM »
Useful comparison between the old HMAS Melbourne, the recently retired HMAS Kanimbla and the new Canberra class LHDs (also shown at the bottom) being acquired by the RAN:





Now, I wonder...what about a CVL based on the Canberra class/Juan Carlos class...

Remove the ski jump, add an angled deck, add catapults and arrestor gear...
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2012, 03:40:09 AM »
ONLY if you knock the height of the deck down by a large amount.  Holy gigantic radar signature Batman!!!!  They might as well paint giant bulls-eyes on the sides....
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2012, 08:25:39 PM »
ONLY if you knock the height of the deck down by a large amount.  Holy gigantic radar signature Batman!!!!  They might as well paint giant bulls-eyes on the sides....

Remember , its not the size - its the angles.

Why does that sound like it could really be smut-tied?

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2012, 02:31:22 AM »

Remember , its not the size - its the angles.

Why does that sound like it could really be smut-tied?

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2012, 11:33:30 PM »
Not sure if this is the right place for this, but these pics landed in my inbox today, China's new carrier.

Thing is, is this for real or what -----