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Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« on: July 26, 2013, 06:12:36 AM »
Mods, if there is already a thread for this and I didn't see it, please fold this into it.  I saw this story and could not resist sharing it.  An air-to-air kill of an An-2 Colt by a UH-1:

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol52no2/iac/an-air-combat-first.html
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2013, 02:39:07 AM »
I remember reading about this a while back.
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2013, 04:19:31 AM »
I find this quite believable, at an airshow I went to a couple of weeks ago (Airdrie Airshow just north of Calgary), there was this doing a flying display and if the breeze had been any stiffer it would've gone backwards I think.  It took almost ten minutes to fly down the main runway (which isn't very long either).



On the other hand, this fairly whipped along


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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2013, 12:41:15 AM »
I'm not sure they shot the Colt down. With two of these noisy things in the air at the same time in the same general vicinity, one of them had to go down because the accumulated vibrations from these two beasts shook the fittings loose in one of them almost immediately and the plane came apart.  ;D The Colt probably lost this engagement due to its greater age. Pretty sure though they'd have to write off the Huey after the flight as well.  ;D

A couple of years ago I was sitting upstairs in my room when a droning sound got louder and louder. A Huey, I thought? No, wrong frequency. I thought someone was driving by in an old tractor or something like that. Went to the window to look out, but nothing was to be seen. The droning got louder. Then I spotted the Anna in the sky, still quite a way off. Probably some sightseeing flight. Took it ages to make the few clicks along our valley.

They've said that the North Korean plan to use the old Annas to clandestinely insert paratroopers into the south. I'm not convinced you could do anything clandestinely in an An-2!  ;D
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2013, 03:33:28 AM »

They've said that the North Korean plan to use the old Annas to clandestinely insert paratroopers into the south. I'm not convinced you could do anything clandestinely in an An-2!  ;D

And yet I recently read a news story where the journalist was claiming that the North Korean An-2 presented a stealth threat which the west had no counter for... ;)
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2013, 05:39:25 AM »
I'm not convinced you could do anything clandestinely in an An-2!  ;D

I'm pretty sure you could hold a fairly loud party in an airborne AN-2 without anyone being the wiser .... a rock concert may just be hear-able tho :icon_music:

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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2013, 06:13:09 AM »
And yet I recently read a news story where the journalist was claiming that the North Korean An-2 presented a stealth threat which the west had no counter for... ;)


No problem. Any old Bofors with one of these for gun-laying.  ;D



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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2013, 11:39:54 PM »
I'm not sure they shot the Colt down. With two of these noisy things in the air at the same time in the same general vicinity, one of them had to go down because the accumulated vibrations from these two beasts shook the fittings loose in one of them almost immediately and the plane came apart.  ;D The Colt probably lost this engagement due to its greater age. Pretty sure though they'd have to write off the Huey after the flight as well.  ;D

A couple of years ago I was sitting upstairs in my room when a droning sound got louder and louder. A Huey, I thought? No, wrong frequency. I thought someone was driving by in an old tractor or something like that. Went to the window to look out, but nothing was to be seen. The droning got louder. Then I spotted the Anna in the sky, still quite a way off. Probably some sightseeing flight. Took it ages to make the few clicks along our valley.

They've said that the North Korean plan to use the old Annas to clandestinely insert paratroopers into the south. I'm not convinced you could do anything clandestinely in an An-2!  ;D

The An-2 remained in production until 2002, so I wouldn't assume that the NV aircraft were actually
all that much older than the UH-1.

Ditto the NK ones as Chinese production may still be continuing.
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2013, 06:22:35 AM »
Something different:

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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2013, 11:05:40 AM »
A feasible "parts bin" Huey, a 414ST being a 214ST with the transmission and rotors from a UH-1Y.  ANd while it's not exactly the same, there's a modified 214ST flying as a testbed for the 525 transmission and rotors.

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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2013, 09:46:54 PM »
The one in my photo I posted earlier I was told is a Bell 412CT Outlaw, a civilian version of the Griffon.  But I've found links on the internet saying it is a retired Griffon being used as a Griffon pilot trainer (it's painted in the deep blue colour found on all RCAF trainers, fixed or rotor wing))

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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2013, 02:29:54 AM »
How about the Huey as a landing craft killer say for instance South Korea.
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2013, 06:22:12 AM »
I've been pondering a Soviet Huey for some time: new rotors, new engines, and some wheels rather than skids...
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2013, 06:42:10 AM »
I've been pondering a Soviet Huey for some time: new rotors, new engines, and some wheels rather than skids...

Maybe a kit-bash with a 1:72nd scale Mi-24 Hind or Mi-8/M-17 Hip if you are going to be using a 1:48th scale UH-1 or would that still be too large?
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2013, 07:36:19 AM »
The one in my photo I posted earlier I was told is a Bell 412CT Outlaw, a civilian version of the Griffon.  But I've found links on the internet saying it is a retired Griffon being used as a Griffon pilot trainer (it's painted in the deep blue colour found on all RCAF trainers, fixed or rotor wing))

kit': The  Outlaws are indeed former CH-146 Griffons sold-off in 2005 (Allied Wings took them on in Jan 2006). So that makes them Bell 412CFs.

The 'CT' comes from a bogus Canadian Forces designation 'CT-146' (although that 'designation' is to be found in official records too). Your C-FYZL was formerly 146428, ex-408 TacHel.
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