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« on: July 26, 2013, 06:12:36 AM »
Mods, if there is already a thread for this and I didn't see it, please fold this into it.  I saw this story and could not resist sharing it.  An air-to-air kill of an An-2 Colt by a UH-1:

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol52no2/iac/an-air-combat-first.html
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2013, 02:39:07 AM »
I remember reading about this a while back.
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2013, 04:19:31 AM »
I find this quite believable, at an airshow I went to a couple of weeks ago (Airdrie Airshow just north of Calgary), there was this doing a flying display and if the breeze had been any stiffer it would've gone backwards I think.  It took almost ten minutes to fly down the main runway (which isn't very long either).



On the other hand, this fairly whipped along


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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2013, 12:41:15 AM »
I'm not sure they shot the Colt down. With two of these noisy things in the air at the same time in the same general vicinity, one of them had to go down because the accumulated vibrations from these two beasts shook the fittings loose in one of them almost immediately and the plane came apart.  ;D The Colt probably lost this engagement due to its greater age. Pretty sure though they'd have to write off the Huey after the flight as well.  ;D

A couple of years ago I was sitting upstairs in my room when a droning sound got louder and louder. A Huey, I thought? No, wrong frequency. I thought someone was driving by in an old tractor or something like that. Went to the window to look out, but nothing was to be seen. The droning got louder. Then I spotted the Anna in the sky, still quite a way off. Probably some sightseeing flight. Took it ages to make the few clicks along our valley.

They've said that the North Korean plan to use the old Annas to clandestinely insert paratroopers into the south. I'm not convinced you could do anything clandestinely in an An-2!  ;D
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2013, 03:33:28 AM »

They've said that the North Korean plan to use the old Annas to clandestinely insert paratroopers into the south. I'm not convinced you could do anything clandestinely in an An-2!  ;D

And yet I recently read a news story where the journalist was claiming that the North Korean An-2 presented a stealth threat which the west had no counter for... ;)
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2013, 05:39:25 AM »
I'm not convinced you could do anything clandestinely in an An-2!  ;D

I'm pretty sure you could hold a fairly loud party in an airborne AN-2 without anyone being the wiser .... a rock concert may just be hear-able tho :icon_music:

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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2013, 06:13:09 AM »
And yet I recently read a news story where the journalist was claiming that the North Korean An-2 presented a stealth threat which the west had no counter for... ;)


No problem. Any old Bofors with one of these for gun-laying.  ;D



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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2013, 11:39:54 PM »
I'm not sure they shot the Colt down. With two of these noisy things in the air at the same time in the same general vicinity, one of them had to go down because the accumulated vibrations from these two beasts shook the fittings loose in one of them almost immediately and the plane came apart.  ;D The Colt probably lost this engagement due to its greater age. Pretty sure though they'd have to write off the Huey after the flight as well.  ;D

A couple of years ago I was sitting upstairs in my room when a droning sound got louder and louder. A Huey, I thought? No, wrong frequency. I thought someone was driving by in an old tractor or something like that. Went to the window to look out, but nothing was to be seen. The droning got louder. Then I spotted the Anna in the sky, still quite a way off. Probably some sightseeing flight. Took it ages to make the few clicks along our valley.

They've said that the North Korean plan to use the old Annas to clandestinely insert paratroopers into the south. I'm not convinced you could do anything clandestinely in an An-2!  ;D

The An-2 remained in production until 2002, so I wouldn't assume that the NV aircraft were actually
all that much older than the UH-1.

Ditto the NK ones as Chinese production may still be continuing.
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2013, 06:22:35 AM »
Something different:

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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2013, 11:05:40 AM »
A feasible "parts bin" Huey, a 414ST being a 214ST with the transmission and rotors from a UH-1Y.  ANd while it's not exactly the same, there's a modified 214ST flying as a testbed for the 525 transmission and rotors.

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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2013, 09:46:54 PM »
The one in my photo I posted earlier I was told is a Bell 412CT Outlaw, a civilian version of the Griffon.  But I've found links on the internet saying it is a retired Griffon being used as a Griffon pilot trainer (it's painted in the deep blue colour found on all RCAF trainers, fixed or rotor wing))

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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2013, 02:29:54 AM »
How about the Huey as a landing craft killer say for instance South Korea.
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2013, 06:22:12 AM »
I've been pondering a Soviet Huey for some time: new rotors, new engines, and some wheels rather than skids...
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2013, 06:42:10 AM »
I've been pondering a Soviet Huey for some time: new rotors, new engines, and some wheels rather than skids...

Maybe a kit-bash with a 1:72nd scale Mi-24 Hind or Mi-8/M-17 Hip if you are going to be using a 1:48th scale UH-1 or would that still be too large?
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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2013, 07:36:19 AM »
The one in my photo I posted earlier I was told is a Bell 412CT Outlaw, a civilian version of the Griffon.  But I've found links on the internet saying it is a retired Griffon being used as a Griffon pilot trainer (it's painted in the deep blue colour found on all RCAF trainers, fixed or rotor wing))

kit': The  Outlaws are indeed former CH-146 Griffons sold-off in 2005 (Allied Wings took them on in Jan 2006). So that makes them Bell 412CFs.

The 'CT' comes from a bogus Canadian Forces designation 'CT-146' (although that 'designation' is to be found in official records too). Your C-FYZL was formerly 146428, ex-408 TacHel.
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2014, 12:00:38 PM »
Apparently there is a (private?) venture prototyped from the barebone of an UH-1B and then evaluated by the armies of US and then RoK.

American Aircraft "Penetrator"

One pilot, three (one in the tandem cockpit, two in the aft portion of the troop compartment) gunners, and six passengers; weapons include four trainable 7.62mm machineguns and two stub wings with hardpoints.

The builder went down after the end of Cold War, and the prototype was sold off and offered by its new owner as a movie prop under the name "Stealth Star".

Well since the prototype was built on a short-bodied UH-1B, a natural what-if would then be one based on the longer-bodied UH-1H......
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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2014, 12:21:03 PM »
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2014, 01:24:17 PM »
Apparently there is a (private?) venture prototyped from the barebone of an UH-1B and then evaluated by the armies of US and then RoK.

American Aircraft "Penetrator"

One pilot, three (one in the tandem cockpit, two in the aft portion of the troop compartment) gunners, and six passengers; weapons include four trainable 7.62mm machineguns and two stub wings with hardpoints.

The builder went down after the end of Cold War, and the prototype was sold off and offered by its new owner as a movie prop under the name "Stealth Star".

Well since the prototype was built on a short-bodied UH-1B, a natural what-if would then be one based on the longer-bodied UH-1H......

Base it on a UH-1N or a civil Model 412 For the extra engine power and the availability of twin engines (PT6T "TwinPac").

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« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2014, 01:06:43 AM »

A guy I worked with at Boeing in the late '90s, Igor Kulikov, had been part of the design/build team for that critter.
He was always carrying a notebook full of various ideas, and he has had a few different websites, here is his most
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http://airdevlab.com

However, I don't recall him say anything about actual evals by the US military.

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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2014, 08:42:38 AM »
Useful bit of info for anyone planning a 1/72nd scale build: the Italeri AB-212 kit also includes almost all the parts for the 4-bladed AB-412 rotor as well. The only thing lacking is the revised rotor mast, but that looks scratchable from Evergreen and brass tube/rod.
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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2014, 04:08:36 AM »
Base it on a UH-1N or a civil Model 412 For the extra engine power and the availability of twin engines (PT6T "TwinPac").

I was thinking of basing it on Bell 214A, if only to see how much of its outline gets preserved.  Granted, LTC4B-8D seems pretty large, too......
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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2014, 11:44:21 PM »
I was reading something this evening on Australia's Iroquois, what was particularly interesting was that initially the type was solely intended for search and rescue and army support was only added after the selection had been made and orders placed.  At this time the army, while very keen to substantially grow their organic airpower, were limited (by legislation / policy / regulation?) to a maximum weight of aircraft permitted, effectively preventing the operation of utility helicopters let alone anything larger.

At the time the Iroquois was ordered the RAN was actually the most experienced rotary wing operator with the RAAF having almost no experience and the army having none.  It is extremely fortunate that the RAAF decided to expand the intended missions of their new helicopters to include army support otherwise the ADF could have been left without any tactical air support at all. 

Of interest is that the RAN initially selected the Wessex as their SAR type but following the decision to use the Wessex as an ASW platform the FAA acquired UH-1Bs and Cs for the SAR role instead.  I wonder, in hindsight, if the  RAAF should have retained the SAR role, maybe added CSAR and even SOF support, with a larger more capable type, while the army took control of the support and utility roles twenty five years earlier.

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« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2014, 11:54:41 PM »
Base it on a UH-1N or a civil Model 412 For the extra engine power and the availability of twin engines (PT6T "TwinPac").

I was thinking of basing it on Bell 214A, if only to see how much of its outline gets preserved.  Granted, LTC4B-8D seems pretty large, too......
Go really big and base it on a 214ST. :)

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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2014, 12:34:08 PM »
Base it on a UH-1N or a civil Model 412 For the extra engine power and the availability of twin engines (PT6T "TwinPac").

I was thinking of basing it on Bell 214A, if only to see how much of its outline gets preserved.  Granted, LTC4B-8D seems pretty large, too......
Go really big and base it on a 214ST. :)

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« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2014, 01:19:59 PM »
Base it on a UH-1N or a civil Model 412 For the extra engine power and the availability of twin engines (PT6T "TwinPac").


I was thinking of basing it on Bell 214A, if only to see how much of its outline gets preserved.  Granted, LTC4B-8D seems pretty large, too......

Go really big and base it on a 214ST. :)


Yeah Baby, now we're talkin'.  :)


I kinda hope it wouldn't end up as big as an AH-64 though......  ???

The passenger compartment is accessed via ramp-style doors...... at least after the chopper is reconfigured as Stealth Star.  Think it might complicate troop fast-roping?
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2015, 01:57:56 PM »
An interesting weapon mount I hadn't seen before - the XM140 30mm cannon:



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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2015, 05:33:31 PM »
That's completely feral! :icon_surprised:

Do they rotate down to give extra lift on take-off? ;D
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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2015, 10:10:43 PM »
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2015, 02:07:10 AM »
Some more shots:








BTW, the quick amongst you will note that the XM-140 was also planned for the AH-56:

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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2015, 02:35:57 AM »
Another interesting one - this time a UH-1B with 20mm Hispano-Suiza HS.820

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« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2015, 03:16:19 AM »





That gun looks quite a bit like the German WWII 30mm put in the Me262, is there a connection ?

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« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2015, 04:09:34 AM »

That gun looks quite a bit like the German WWII 30mm put in the Me262, is there a connection ?


Nope, the XM140 was an electrically driven gun. The Mk108 used in the 262 was a blowback weapon.

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« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2015, 06:01:03 AM »

That gun looks quite a bit like the German WWII 30mm put in the Me262, is there a connection ?


Nope, the XM140 was an electrically driven gun. The Mk108 used in the 262 was a blowback weapon.

http://www.bevfitchett.us/machine-gun-v5/philcoford-corporation-1.html


Thanks, I think what I was thinking of was the short barrel and the flat sided flash suppressor, I've got a resin 1/72 Mk.108 set that looks remarkably like it.

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« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2015, 08:21:28 AM »



There is a guy in a silly hat & slightly too-small overalls looking fa-ar too serious! ;D

Another interesting one - this time a UH-1B with 20mm Hispano-Suiza HS.820




You get the feeling, sometimes, that some people just don't know when to stop, really. :o
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2015, 09:19:54 PM »
Another interesting one - this time a UH-1B with 20mm Hispano-Suiza HS.820




You get the feeling, sometimes, that some people just don't know when to stop, really. :o


Rhodesia, Malaysia, Portugal and South Africa all used side-firing 20mm cannons from Alouette IIIs, which are smaller than a Huey. The guns were mostly MG 151s, which France also used on Piasecki H-21s and Sikorsky S-58s in Algeria:






The GIAT M621 20mm has a helo door mount as a standard option (SH20 mount) often seen on Pumas:




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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2015, 11:37:36 PM »
Interesting, I wonder if a Kiowa, or for that matter, Cayuse, Wasp or Gazelle could be fitted with 20mm in such a way.  It would look cool on an Army or Navy Lynx, or Seahawk, the Blackhawk or for that matter the Chinook, Stallion, or Super Stallion would look great with a pair of them. ;D

What would be good, but maybe difficult to model, would be a mount that permits the gunner reasonable arcs of fire but also permits the gun to be locked in the forward position for the pilot to aim and fire.
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2015, 02:10:46 AM »
I've seen a proposal to fit a cannon that large, or larger, to the Seahawk for mine-clearing purposes in shallow water.  You might could do the same for an UH-1Y.

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« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2015, 02:34:15 AM »
I've seen a proposal to fit a cannon that large, or larger, to the Seahawk for mine-clearing purposes in shallow water.  You might could do the same for an UH-1Y.

30mm ATK firing finned, super cavitating ammunition if I'm not mistaken.

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« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2015, 11:29:03 AM »
Don't know about sideways firing, but there's a side-mounted, forwards firing M621 installation for the Gazelle and a belly-mounted Rh.202 fit for the Bo.105. I think the main problem with a Gazelle or Bo.105 would be space for the gunner to move about. It looks pretty tight in the Alouette III (note that the gunner's seat has him practically out of the opposite door!) and a Gazelle is significantly smaller overall, and narrower in particular.
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2015, 04:55:40 AM »
Interesting shot - I haven't seen too many Huey's with floats...especially Australian ones:

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« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2017, 11:23:38 PM »
Do the resident Rotorheads know what Bell was smoking when they built the 533?  ;D





4 blade tail rotor, Make a longer wing, add hard points and drop tanks for longer range.

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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2017, 11:38:28 PM »
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2017, 09:42:27 AM »
Remove the tail boom.
What remains of the fuselage is the head and abdomen.  Add a thorax, 6 mechanical insect legs and you have the basis for a Sci Fi Cyberbug.
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2017, 10:42:01 PM »
Remove the tail boom.
What remains of the fuselage is the head and abdomen.  Add a thorax, 6 mechanical insect legs and you have the basis for a Sci Fi Cyberbug.

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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2017, 11:44:19 AM »
I love the 533 in all its forms! I once bashed one into life from a Monogram SnapTite Huey, some balsa wings and 1/144 A-10 engines! I have a 1/48 Huey Hog awaiting the 533 treatment, but done better this time around.
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2017, 01:21:02 PM »
Agusta-Bell 205BG – Prototype fitted with Model 212 nose and two Gnome H 1200 turboshaft engines.
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #46 on: March 25, 2017, 01:41:10 PM »
Um......?
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #47 on: March 25, 2017, 04:59:20 PM »
I think that was an early Bell proposal for U.S. Navy LAMPS!

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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #48 on: March 25, 2017, 06:38:44 PM »
In fact the LAMPS II requirement. But LAMPS II was cancelled by the US Navy in favour of LAMPS Mk III.
Developed from the UH-1N
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« Reply #49 on: March 26, 2017, 12:22:21 AM »
Is there anything they haven't done to the Huey? ???
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #50 on: March 26, 2017, 03:39:10 AM »
Agusta-Bell 205BG – Prototype fitted with Model 212 nose and two Gnome H 1200 turboshaft engines.

Could provide the basis for a British version.
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #51 on: March 26, 2017, 03:43:26 AM »
Is there anything they haven't done to the Huey? ???


Well if you really want to get 'out there', there was the Bell Model 533 with aerodynamic fairings, a new tail surface to offload the tail rotor, a tilting rotor mast inside a large fairing structure, a swept wing, and either two Continental J69-T-29 turbojets wingtip-mounted or Pratt & Whitney JT12A-3 turbojets, and a modified rotor blade with swept tips.


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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #52 on: March 26, 2017, 03:50:09 AM »
I would love to see a kit (in 1/48 of course...or maybe 1/35 at a stretch) of the Model 214ST:




I have seen one up close in San Diego a few years back.
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #53 on: March 26, 2017, 04:46:18 AM »
Agusta-Bell 205BG – Prototype fitted with Model 212 nose and two Gnome H 1200 turboshaft engines.

Could provide the basis for a British version.

Other re-engined Bell 205s that might share at least some commonality with other helicopters:

Top: Huey 800 (with LHTEC T800)

Bottom: Global Eagle (with Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6C)
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2017, 06:14:29 AM »
Is there anything they haven't done to the Huey? ???

Piston engine? Retracts? Asymmetric blades? NOTAR/FANTAIL/Fenestron/Piasecki vectored thrust ducted propeller? UAV? AAMs? A hull? Coaxial rotors? Converted to a road vehicle? Hughes 500/Alouette-style glasshouse nose? Tiltrotor? Retractable weapons pylons a la Comanche? Ejection seats?
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2017, 06:43:16 AM »
Well, the glasshouse nose was tried on the original Model 206 prototype that lost out to the Hughes 500.  I believe the AH-1W and -1Z can carry AAMs.

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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #56 on: March 29, 2017, 05:57:47 PM »
Is there anything they haven't done to the Huey? ???

Piston engine? Retracts? Asymmetric blades? NOTAR/FANTAIL/Fenestron/Piasecki vectored thrust ducted propeller? UAV? AAMs? A hull? Coaxial rotors? Converted to a road vehicle? Hughes 500/Alouette-style glasshouse nose? Tiltrotor? Retractable weapons pylons a la Comanche? Ejection seats?


So, not much. ;)
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #57 on: March 30, 2017, 05:18:14 AM »
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #58 on: March 30, 2017, 06:23:34 AM »
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2017, 12:30:46 PM »
Is there anything they haven't done to the Huey? ???
Piston engine?

Something like the attached as a forerunner
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #60 on: September 21, 2017, 10:34:22 PM »
Can someone identify what the...... thing ('don't even know if it's an ordnance or not)...... on the weapon rack of this Iranian AB212 is?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #61 on: September 22, 2017, 01:27:05 AM »
I don't know but it looks like it might be a minigun of some sort, there appear to be multiple barrels protruding from the front.

It might be a Yakushev-Borzov YakB-12.7 machine gun


Or a local copy of the M134


Or, maybe, something Chinese.
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« Reply #62 on: September 22, 2017, 02:36:49 AM »
Dunno, but it doesn't look like a gun of any sort, no barrels.
'Tis odd looking and from the shape it's difficult to guess as
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #63 on: September 22, 2017, 02:45:37 AM »
Dunno, but it doesn't look like a gun of any sort, no barrels.
'Tis odd looking and from the shape it's difficult to guess as
to function.

I agree.  It almost looks like a baby BLU-82 but I doubt it.  The aircraft is a AB212ASW of their navy so perhaps it is some form of ASW weapon or similar.  Given it is camouflaged similar to the helicopter I would think that it is not disposable ordinance.  Maybe a towed array or similar?
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #64 on: September 22, 2017, 03:49:16 AM »
if it was intended for ASW work, I'd think the object was a MAD "bomb" that could be trailed along behind the helicopter.  A different configuration from what those used by the USN, but equally suitable.

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« Reply #65 on: September 22, 2017, 09:34:03 AM »
I've changed my mind, having expanded the image it's either a variant of the DShK or KPV heavy machine gun.

In the expanded image you can see the single barrel (I thought it was multiple) projecting from the front of the housing & an enclosed belt-feed/ejection-port shroud around the middle;

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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #66 on: September 22, 2017, 12:11:35 PM »
The aircraft is a AB212ASW of their navy so perhaps it is some form of ASW weapon or similar.

Actually......

...... has any IRIN AB212 ever been seen carrying ASW weapons?

I haven't and therefore do have a hard time thinking of IRIN AB212s as anything other than gunships/transports......
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #67 on: July 21, 2018, 01:23:24 PM »
Another Huey re-engining programme.  This time with the GE T700.

(IIRC, though, only Huey II with uprated T53 had any success with military customers.)
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« Reply #68 on: July 22, 2018, 05:03:02 PM »
Has no-one noticed the little grey alien staring out the cabin window? ???

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