Author Topic: Upgunned Tanks (Read 29628 times)

dy031101 · « **on:** December 13, 2011, 02:39:44 AM »

Taking the idea of installing a Cavalier turret further, this Matilda now has a Cromwell turret with a QF 75mm (though whether the gun is a 6 pounder or a 75mm, the upgunned tank ought to have competitive firepower against the Type 3 Chi-Nu lol)...... I was inspired by the World of Tanks game and a picture of the aforementioned Cavalier turret upgrade and hope I can do the same thing when the game introduces the UK tank tech trees......

This is inspired by not only the WoT game as well but also a past conversation with Arc3371. T-34M, in addition to using the torsion bar suspension, seems to have fixed a host of other weaknesses with the original T-34 design. Too bad the Germans came too early.

(Having said that, T-34 as a tank equipped with Christie suspension remained influential long enough to hold a special place in my mind. Not a place better than the Sherman, but special nonetheless.)

Originals taken from WW2 Drawings.

dy031101 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 13, 2011, 08:14:05 AM »

Something doesn't seem right on this one, since the Crusader tank is said to have a turret ring diameter of 55.5" whereas Matilda has one of 54.3", yet I couldn't seem to match the drawing......?

Either way, I like the Cavalier/Cromwell turret better.

Source of the originals is the same as the previous post.

BadersBusCompany · « **Reply #2 on:** December 13, 2011, 10:48:50 AM »

It looks great either way!!

dy031101 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 13, 2011, 01:32:38 PM »

Valentine infantry tank with a 25 pounder gun turret of Sentinel AC3.

According to this and this, Valentine actually has a bigger turret ring (57.5") than the Sentinel AC1~AC3 (54")! Hum......

WW2 Drawings does not have a good drawing for the AC3 Sentinel, however, so I was forced to make do with a rough drawing from here, and the turret part therefore doesn't look as good......

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #4 on:** December 13, 2011, 05:58:59 PM »

How about a Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger upgunned post war with a Royal Ordnance L7 105mm gun?

Regards,

Greg

dy031101 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 14, 2011, 07:02:33 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on December 13, 2011, 05:58:59 PM

How about a Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger upgunned post war with a Royal Ordnance L7 105mm gun?

Hum......

Same source of originals. The L7 gun barrel is a result of my manipulation and my best guess in a hurry......

BadersBusCompany · « **Reply #6 on:** December 14, 2011, 07:51:57 AM »

:want: HOLY SH*T!! :in-love:

sotoolslinger · « **Reply #7 on:** December 14, 2011, 10:51:32 AM »

dy031101 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 14, 2011, 11:00:24 AM »

Virtually 2D version of Wyrmshadow's stuff. Same source of originals, except I didn't bother going monochrome for them because the curtains match (roughly) the carpets this time around.

sotoolslinger · « **Reply #9 on:** December 14, 2011, 11:11:32 AM »

Yep loooove Wyrmy. Has anyone invited that boy over here?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #10 on:** December 14, 2011, 05:26:55 PM »

Quote from: sotoolslinger on December 14, 2011, 11:11:32 AM

Yep loooove Wyrmy. Has anyone invited that boy over here?

Not yet - anyone got his email?

sotoolslinger · « **Reply #11 on:** December 15, 2011, 11:29:14 AM »

Went there, did that :yarr:

dy031101 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 15, 2011, 12:49:36 PM »

Question- how does the 25 pounder do as a tank gun? It is said that it gives the AC3 a serviceable anti-tank and high-explosive weapon- okay, but can I assume that they are effective against late-war tanks over normal combat range except for the aspect of rate of fire?

I mean...... the AC3 turret just might make for an interesting combination with all those other infantry tanks......

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #13 on:** December 18, 2011, 05:08:42 AM »

How about some M1s, ChallengerIIs and Leclercs upgunned with 140mm (or larger? guns?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #14 on:** December 18, 2011, 05:19:15 AM »

It might not seem like a lot, but what about a Panzer II upgunned with a 37mm instead of the standard 20mm antitank gun?

Regards,

Greg

dy031101 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 18, 2011, 05:37:09 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on December 18, 2011, 05:19:15 AM

It might not seem like a lot, but what about a Panzer II upgunned with a 37mm instead of the standard 20mm antitank gun?

According to Achtung Panzer!, experiments were done but never completed on re-arming the Panzer II with captured French SA 38 gun (30mm penetration at 1000m). Maybe someone in the turret will have to pull double-duty as a loader, too.

ChernayaAkula · « **Reply #16 on:** December 18, 2011, 04:39:45 PM »

Diggin' the re-turreted Matildas!

dy031101 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 19, 2011, 10:45:50 AM »

Quote from: ChernayaAkula on December 18, 2011, 04:39:45 PM

Diggin' the re-turreted Matildas!

If there were a lot more Type 3 Ka-Chi and Type 5 To-Ku than in real-life, maybe the Matilda with Cavalier turret would have been more appreciated? :want:

Jeffry Fontaine · « **Reply #18 on:** December 23, 2011, 03:24:04 AM »

Quote from: dy031101 on December 15, 2011, 12:49:36 PM

Question- how does the 25 pounder do as a tank gun? It is said that it gives the AC3 a serviceable anti-tank and high-explosive weapon- okay, but can I assume that they are effective against late-war tanks over normal combat range except for the aspect of rate of fire?

It was a low velocity weapon in comparison with established anti-tank and tank guns such as the 6pdr and 17pdr. The power of the 25pdr was in the chemical energy available in the high explosive capacity of the shell. Consider it in roughly the same category as a mortar, it was excellent as an indirect fire weapon system with a limited effectiveness in direct fire.

Jeffry Fontaine · « **Reply #19 on:** April 06, 2012, 07:47:01 PM »

A serious effort to increase firepower of the Sherman in real life was done by mating an M26 Pershing turret with an M4 Sherman.

Click on thumbnail to view larger image.

(Image source: Wikipedia)

Marcos Serra has begun a conversion in 1/35th scale by kit bashing the Tamiya M4 (105) and the M26 Pershing with an aftermarket resin hull for this project which can be viewed at the Missing-Lynx forums.

From ArmchairGeneral.com forums:

Profile view image of the drawing depicting the Sherman with Pershing turret that originally appeared in Hunnicutt's book
Front view image of the drawing depicting the Sherman with Pershing turret that originally appeared in Hunnicutt's book

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #20 on:** April 06, 2012, 11:04:01 PM »

I'm not a tank builder anymore but this is cool.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #21 on:** April 07, 2012, 03:50:46 AM »

At first glance, this could easily be confused with some of the post way Israeli developments:

Weaver · « **Reply #22 on:** April 08, 2012, 09:17:12 PM »

Interesting.... I had it in mind to put a 1/76th Fujimi Type-61 turret on a 1/76th Easy-Eight chassis. The results looked top heavy, causing me to go looking for a 1/7nd hull instead, but it was actually no worse than that M26/M4 combo.

Jeffry Fontaine · « **Reply #23 on:** April 10, 2012, 01:59:18 AM »

Marcos Serra finished his 1/35th scale conversion and kit bash of the Tamiya M4 (105) and the M26 Pershing.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #24 on:** April 10, 2012, 02:26:32 AM »

If done in bulk, they could have been an interesting addition to the war in Europe.


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