Author Topic: Small Arms  (Read 11459 times)

Offline M.A.D

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2016, 05:19:31 AM »
M-60.......Shudder......almost impossible to strip without drawing blood.  Best bit was the second there was blood there was a medic with a tetanus shot, if you couldn't tell the date of your last booster they jabbed you, I ended up with so many antibodies that when I donated blood they used it to make more tetanus vaccine.

Ha ha, so true.
At least the additional blood would have lubricated the bloody thing.
It's ironic, but for years I attempted too come up with a make-shift foregrip for the 60, but the 'system' use to flip out about "unauthorised modifications.....".
It was only years latter when training with the Yanks, that I had the opportunity in the form.of the M60E, to appreciate the comfort and usability of a foregripped 60 (add to this the relief and foresight of moving those stupid blood legs from the barrel to the body!!!)
Saying this, I would given the spleen of my enemy to have had the same foregrip on the ungainly to carry MAG-58!! :P

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Offline Volkodav

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2016, 08:18:58 PM »
M-60.......Shudder......almost impossible to strip without drawing blood.  Best bit was the second there was blood there was a medic with a tetanus shot, if you couldn't tell the date of your last booster they jabbed you, I ended up with so many antibodies that when I donated blood they used it to make more tetanus vaccine.

Ha ha, so true.
At least the additional blood would have lubricated the bloody thing.
It's ironic, but for years I attempted too come up with a make-shift foregrip for the 60, but the 'system' use to flip out about "unauthorised modifications.....".
It was only years latter when training with the Yanks, that I had the opportunity in the form.of the M60E, to appreciate the comfort and usability of a foregripped 60 (add to this the relief and foresight of moving those stupid blood legs from the barrel to the body!!!)
Saying this, I would given the spleen of my enemy to have had the same foregrip on the ungainly to carry MAG-58!! :P

M.A.D

I believe 6 RAR used the perforated sheet from the M-60 bi pod on the MAG-58 to make it easier to carry, they also apparently were able to obtain BRENs when they changed from Scout/Command, Gun and Rifle group in each section to two fire teams before they were issued with Minimis (F89 in Australian service)

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2016, 04:31:00 AM »
While you two reminisce about good times how about some fictional weapons:

M41A Pulse Rifle (from "Aliens")





M56 Smart Gun (also from "Aliens"):



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Offline Weaver

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2016, 07:08:41 AM »
M-60.......Shudder......almost impossible to strip without drawing blood.  Best bit was the second there was blood there was a medic with a tetanus shot, if you couldn't tell the date of your last booster they jabbed you, I ended up with so many antibodies that when I donated blood they used it to make more tetanus vaccine.

Ha ha, so true.
At least the additional blood would have lubricated the bloody thing.
It's ironic, but for years I attempted too come up with a make-shift foregrip for the 60, but the 'system' use to flip out about "unauthorised modifications.....".
It was only years latter when training with the Yanks, that I had the opportunity in the form.of the M60E, to appreciate the comfort and usability of a foregripped 60 (add to this the relief and foresight of moving those stupid blood legs from the barrel to the body!!!)
Saying this, I would given the spleen of my enemy to have had the same foregrip on the ungainly to carry MAG-58!! :P

M.A.D

I believe 6 RAR used the perforated sheet from the M-60 bi pod on the MAG-58 to make it easier to carry, they also apparently were able to obtain BRENs when they changed from Scout/Command, Gun and Rifle group in each section to two fire teams before they were issued with Minimis (F89 in Australian service)

British Army sections often used to carry a Bren in the days when the official equipment scale was one GPMG (MAG-58) per section. Got a pic somewhere of the two gunners and it doesn't half make the size difference clear.
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Offline Weaver

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2016, 07:23:46 AM »
While you two reminisce about good times how about some fictional weapons:

M41A Pulse Rifle (from "Aliens"):


M56 Smart Gun (also from "Aliens"):



If I remember correctly, the Pulse Rifle was a Thompson M1A1 SMG fitted with the guts of a Franchi SPAS-12 auto-shotgun to provide the 'grenade launcher'. People in the replica props world make kits of the moulded bodywork so that you build your own (obviously easier in the US where you've a reasonable chance of getting hold of the donor guns). You can also get Airsoft and Paintball versions of it.

The Smart Gun was a hacked-around MG-42 machine-gun fitted with motorbike handgrips and controls and attached to a modified Steady-Cam harness. Can't recall what the triangular frames were but they were 'salvagel too IIRC I don't think there's much available as off-the-shelf conversions for this one because there really wern't many custom parts on it anyway, so it's pretty easy to throw together if you can get the bits. Again, there are Airsoft and Paintball versions too.

EDIT: just realised what the triangular frames were: they're motorcycle pillion footpeg brackets, presumably off the the same scrap bikes they took the hand controls from.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2016, 07:27:19 AM by Weaver »
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Offline Volkodav

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2016, 09:00:59 AM »
Yep, definitely looks like a Thompson / SPAS and an MG42, I was actually going to post something about it when I saw you beat me to it.

Offline Rickshaw

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2016, 10:35:48 AM »
I could never figure out why anybody would want to have a weapon, like the MG3 clone, which could only be operated when the firer was upright.  It just makes the firer a bigger target.

I wonder how much the Pulse Rifle contributed to the XM25 development concept?

Offline Weaver

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2016, 03:31:41 AM »
Not sure if this qualifies as a "small" arm:  Lahti L-39 20 mm anti-tank rifle




Well look what popped up on Forgotten Weapons today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9qHv_XEAZg

Not just a tech/history talk but some actual shooting too. Think the biggest danger from this gun is that if Ian's grin gets any wider the top of his head will fall off...  ;D
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Offline perttime

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2016, 03:16:32 PM »
I think somebody already pointed out that the gun in the photo is not the Lahti "Norsupyssy" (Elephant Gun).
Weight    49.5 kg (109 lb)
Cartridge    20×138mmB
Action    Gas-operated
Muzzle velocity    800 m/s (2,600 ft/s)
Feed system    10 rounds box magazine

Here's some re-enactors playing with a dual anti-aircraft version - at a laid back airshow...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8YzSleYxos

Offline ysi_maniac

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2017, 08:07:33 PM »
Pay attention to MP-44 and MG-42 sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-oB-iTRb6k

Offline ysi_maniac

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2018, 05:19:45 PM »
With Panzerfaust



Again Kar98, MP40, MP44
 

Offline Story

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2018, 04:12:43 AM »

The larger Solothurn S-18/1000 did come with a two wheel mount/carriage that could be towed or hauled by several soldiers.  The trails rotated to lock the barrel in place and a "T-Bar" was attached to the gun barrel and used to pull the weapon. 

This thumbnail image from Wikipedia shows some of the details:

See the larger image at the source page

Imagine waiting with that weapon to break a Matilda's track at kissing distances.

Offline Story

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2018, 06:16:28 AM »
or perhaps a further development of the abandoned TuF MG?



An air-cooled version of this would be ideal for the main battery onboard a Pulp Dieselpunk Zeppelin.


Offline Story

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2018, 06:30:07 AM »

Again Kar98, MP40, MP44
 

Extend barrel, add bipod and w/o the fully-loaded spring-powdered 100 round 7,92x33 dopple trommel, come in at around 17 lbs.


Offline ysi_maniac

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2018, 09:36:09 AM »
^^^^
You got a nice design!

Offline Jeffry Fontaine

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2018, 10:23:29 AM »
@Story - The S-18/1000 is my all time favourite 20mm AT Rifle.  Huge and heavy but oh so pretty.  :)

I have had three models of the S-18/1000.  The first was cast pewter/lead/white metal and may have been 1:32nd scale.  I have no idea who made this metal model but at the time it was probably the only one available until resin became a more widely used modeling material.  I sent the metal model to LemonJello several years ago to give him a shot at figuring out what to do with the thing after some correspondence on the subject. 

The next model of the S-18/1000 was in resin from a now out of business Italian company called Criel.  It was a step up from the metal model in that it included a carriate and the two ammunition chests plus the ground mounting feet for the weapon.  Very flimsy and fragile and the barrel never looked quite right.  I ended up with two, one I know is original and the other I suspect is a copy made from an original.  Both were purchased from the same person but several years apart.  One of these will be going to a new forever home with LemonJello as soon as I finish sorting some other things out for his "care package." 

The third model of the S-18/1000 was recently offered by CMK and it is far superior to the metal model from the unknown company and resin model from Criel.  Both of these models look rather primitive in comparison to what CMK has created.  Here is a link to the model at the CMK e-Store: https://www.cmkkits.com/en/detail-sets-accessories/129-3140/.  It may be OOP at the moment but if you like the Solothurn S-18/1000 this is by far the best model yet of this subject. 
« Last Edit: August 09, 2018, 10:25:35 AM by Jeffry Fontaine »
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Offline Story

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2018, 02:29:27 PM »
@Story - The S-18/1000 is my all time favourite 20mm AT Rifle.  Huge and heavy but oh so pretty.  :)

I have had three models of the S-18/1000.  The first was cast pewter/lead/white metal and may have been 1:32nd scale. 

I think I had the same kit, shoe-horned it into a resin CV-33/35. No pics, gave that one away.

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Offline Old Wombat

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #42 on: August 16, 2018, 05:40:06 PM »
^^^ Who needs brakes! ;) ^^^
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Offline Story

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2018, 02:34:08 AM »
The crew looks like they stepped off the set of the Grand Budapest Hotel (an excellent film).
Behold, Republic of Zubrowka Federal troops circa 1932.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2018, 02:44:38 AM by Story »

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #44 on: August 17, 2018, 11:27:22 AM »
^^^ Who needs brakes! ;) ^^^
To keep from going backward when fired from a stopped position?

Offline dy031101

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2018, 11:55:01 AM »
Um...... cool grenadier rifle......
Forget about his bow and arrows- why wait until that sparrow has done his deed when I can just bury him right now 'cause I'm sick and tired of hearing why he wants to have his way with the cock robin!?

Offline perttime

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2018, 05:17:34 PM »
^ Everybody has been putting grenade launchers on carbines, at least since 1960s.
A couple of notes, though:
The carbine safety lever doesn't look much more handy than the regular AK one. Perhaps the optics mount is on the way of the normal lever on the other side?
The Aimpoint magnifier might be even better if it aligned perfectly with the Aimpoint red dot sight.