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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #700 on: November 26, 2024, 09:25:14 AM »
Whether intentional or not, in this case the "Skyfall" reference is absolutely correct, sometimes "the auld ways are the best". ;) :smiley: 8)
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #701 on: November 26, 2024, 04:58:39 PM »
Thanks one and all.  :smiley:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #702 on: November 27, 2024, 12:48:46 AM »
Looking good
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #703 on: November 27, 2024, 11:44:57 PM »
Guardian (Tracked) Air Defence System Update:

Once again, the application of the undercoat plays its magic in pulling everything together. A full paint job and writing up the backstory will be next...








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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #704 on: November 28, 2024, 01:43:57 AM »
Loving this
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #705 on: November 28, 2024, 12:45:52 PM »
 :-*
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #706 on: November 28, 2024, 06:53:14 PM »
A pretty monster

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #707 on: November 28, 2024, 11:42:37 PM »
Thanks guys!   :smiley:

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #708 on: November 29, 2024, 09:03:53 AM »
What a nice daughter! 8)
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #709 on: November 29, 2024, 09:13:45 AM »
It looks beautiful in primer!

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #710 on: November 29, 2024, 04:58:52 PM »
Just terrific, as always a masterwork

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #711 on: November 30, 2024, 01:19:39 AM »
  :smiley::smiley:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #712 on: December 21, 2024, 07:22:52 PM »
Guardian (Tracked) Air Defence System Update:

Real World
In 1992 the Bloodhound Mk 2 missile system was retired from Royal Air Force (RAF) service and, with its demise, the UK lost its land-based medium/long-range surface-to-air missile capability.  Although there was talk of a possible replacement for Bloodhound, the end of the Cold War and the perceived lack of any realistic threat meant that successive strategic defence reviews failed to include, or even consider the need for, a medium or long-range air defence system beyond that which was required for the Royal Navy (RN).  As time passed, a ‘we have managed this long without’ mentality settled in and consecutive governments nibbled and slashed defence budgets with abandon such that, by 2024, a resurgent drone and missile heavy threat now sees the UK mainland effectively naked.

What-if
The premise of this whiff is that in the 1980s, the UK Government implemented a policy that would see the UK’s land-based medium/long-range surface-to-air missile capability secured beyond the Bloodhound era.  As I have already stated above, the UK did develop a medium-range air defence missile for the RN in the shape of Sea Dart and although the UK was keen to reduce military spending as part of a post-Cold War peace dividend, it would not have taken much for a land-based version of Sea Dart to have been developed.  (Note: Just such a concept was indeed proposed RW using the Sea Dart Mod 2 missile and was to be called Guardian)

In my Alternative History timeline, I would initially see the static Bloodhound Mk 2 sites being replaced by static Guardian systems which would essentially be the ship-borne Sea Dart system (including its ‘below deck’ rotary magazines and associated radars) - much like this diagram.



My mobile Bloodhound Mk 4 would also be replaced with a Tracked version of Guardian mounting 4 ready-use missiles on a tracked Transporter, Erector and Launcher (TEL) based on the, then in service, M109 chassis.  A similar hull variant would carry the Type 909 Target Illumination radar and engagement control system.  Whilst a Bloodhound Mk 4 Flight consisted of 4 x 2-missile TELs and one ECV (each supported by a detachment FV432), the new Tracked Guardian Flight would have 4 x 4-missile TELs and 2 x ECV (each supported by a detachment FV103 Spartan {1}) split into 2 x Fire Teams.  The increased number of ready-use missiles, additional ECV together with the increased capability of the Mod 2 missile {2} would provide a dramatic increase in firepower over the older Bloodhound system.   

54 Squadron RAF Regiment, previously a Bloodhound (SP) unit, was equipped with the new tracked Guardian system in 1989 and, as part of the UK’s response to Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait in 1990, was deployed on Op GRANBY (Gulf War 1).  During this time, 54 Squadron managed to shoot down 2 x Iraqi MiG 25R recon aircraft.

Although Tracked Guardian proved quite successful in its air defence role, the sustainability and flexibility of a heavy, fully tacked system sat less comfortably with the RAF and MoD as a whole.  With the development of a lightweight, canistered version of the Mod 3 missile, a trailer mounted 6-round, trainable launcher was procured as Guardian 2 and had replaced all of the Tracked Guardians by 1998 and a significant number of the fixed Guardian sites by 2000.  This final variant of the system would remain in service until 2012 when Sea Dart/Guardian was replaced by Sea Viper (Astor 15 and Astor 30) for the RN and Viper (Astor 30) for the RAF.

The model depicts TEL B1 of B Flight, 54 Squadron RAF Regiment as it appeared on the day it shot down the first MiG 25R with missile JB603.  The vehicle is shown in both its transportation mode and its firing position.  Of note is the fact that TEL B1 is loaded with standard white missiles as opposed to the green coloured missile the Squadron would normally operate within the European theatre.  As the RAF’s fixed Guardian sites used the same magazine fed system as the RN, missiles were not routinely kept on the launch rails, and hence toning down the missiles was not an issue.  Consequently, these sites used the same white coloured missiles as the RN.  When 54 Squadron deployed to the Gulf, resplendent in their desert paint scheme, it was decided that the white missiles would better suite the tactical situation.  The model was built from an AFV Club M109G, 3D printed Sea Dart missiles courtesy of Cults3D.com, a pile of plastic card and some homemade decals.





















Notes:
{1}  The FV 103 Spartan was already in service with RAF Regt and RAF EOD units.

{2} From Wiki: Mod 2 upgrade included ADIMP (Air Defence IMProvement) which saw the replacement of six old circuit cards in the guidance system with one, allowing the spare volume to be used for an autopilot. Used alongside a command datalink (sited on the Type 909 pedestal) it allows several missiles to be 'in the air' at once, re-targeted during flight etc. and allows an initial ballistic trajectory, doubling range to 80 nmi (92 mi; 150 km) with the upgraded 909(I) radar for terminal illumination only.  The missile was a two-stage, 4.4-metre (14 ft) long missile weighing 550 kilograms (1,210 lb). It was launched using a drop-off Chow solid-fuel booster that accelerated it to the supersonic speed necessary for the operation of the cruise motor, a Rolls-Royce /Bristol Siddeley kerosene-fuelled Odin ramjet. This gave a cruise speed of over Mach 2.5, and unlike many rocket-powered designs, the cruise engine burned for the entire flight, giving excellent terminal manoeuvrability at extreme range.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2025, 10:17:02 PM by Claymore »
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #713 on: December 21, 2024, 07:25:28 PM »
Couple of OMG's and a few more WOW's!!!

Totally nailed the vision as far as I am concerned. More masterwork

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #714 on: December 21, 2024, 07:53:09 PM »
Thanks mate but this one very nearly went into the bin after a complete nightmare with the Matt flat coat.

My utter contempt for the manufacturers of this dreadful product knows no bounds. Sometimes a little bit of blooming occurs with Matt flat coats and it is, usually, relatively easy to recover - but this time the whole damned model was covered in a blotchy pox of chalky horror! No matter what I did seemed to remedy my dispair… Eventually the only recourse as to paint over what I could and hide/camouflage the rest, as best I could, behind layers of pastel weathering. Not perfect by any means, but… 🤬
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #715 on: December 21, 2024, 09:05:18 PM »
Was expecting the green/black camo scheme and what a surprise! The sand looks just as good! Great job overall!

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #716 on: December 21, 2024, 09:16:06 PM »
Was expecting the green/black camo scheme and what a surprise! The sand looks just as good! Great job overall!

Yup, I was initially going to go with the European theatre green and black and had even painted the missiles but then thought the time scale would neatly fit in with Gulf War 1 and…
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #717 on: December 22, 2024, 01:10:52 AM »
This would arguably have been a very capable system.  Indeed, one could imagine even the US Army wanting a variant.
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #718 on: December 22, 2024, 06:25:51 AM »
 :smiley:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #719 on: December 22, 2024, 06:40:54 AM »
A shame that this concept was not a real world air defense solution.  Really nice work on the TEL and hope to see the companion fire control radar sometime soon. 
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #720 on: December 22, 2024, 07:35:22 AM »
Great job  :smiley:

Those old M-108 / M-109 chassis are good for other conversions like my M-108b Gepard.

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #721 on: December 22, 2024, 02:41:04 PM »
Another explosion of awesomeness in the world of SAMs! :icon_alabanza: :icon_alabanza: :icon_alabanza: 8)
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #722 on: December 22, 2024, 05:43:57 PM »
A shame that this concept was not a real world air defense solution.  Really nice work on the TEL and hope to see the companion fire control radar sometime soon.

Thanks and the associated Guardian Engagement Control Vehicle will be the next post-Chrimbo project!  :smiley:

Great job  :smiley:

Those old M-108 / M-109 chassis are good for other conversions like my M-108b Gepard.

Indeed!  :smiley:

Another explosion of awesomeness in the world of SAMs! :icon_alabanza: :icon_alabanza: :icon_alabanza: 8)

You are too kind!  :smiley:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #723 on: January 01, 2025, 08:41:45 PM »
Guardian Engagement Control Vehicle Update:

No rest for the wicked!  Chrimbo prezzies gratefully received and so work has commenced on the Guardian Engagement Control Vehicle (ECV) (and its associated Type 909 Target Tracking and Illumination radar) project to accompany my Tracked Guardian TEL.  Very early days, so no pics yet…  :smiley:
« Last Edit: January 01, 2025, 08:43:39 PM by Claymore »
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #724 on: January 02, 2025, 05:06:51 AM »
You must have been very good to get nice presents or very wicked to have no rest from building!