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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #600 on: July 25, 2024, 09:07:55 AM »
Great build! Had I not been following along, you could have fooled me that this was a RW tank.

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #601 on: July 25, 2024, 05:26:51 PM »
Many thanks one and all for the great comments, they are very much appreciated!  :smiley:

Next projects are already on the slips!  ;)
« Last Edit: July 26, 2024, 01:25:05 AM by Claymore »
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #602 on: July 26, 2024, 01:26:40 AM »
In a moment of very un-Highlander-like exuberance, I have taken the plunge and bought myself a 3D Printer (picture attached). With the dramatic increase in the availability (and low cost) of high-quality 3D designs, it would seem that the world is now my oyster. Typically, my beginners-recommended, super-fast printer was sold as an out-of-the-box ready marvel of the modern industrial complex and as intuitive as a hungry fox in a hen house...

Unfortunately, what they hadn't taken into account was that a 62-year-old Scotsman with the attention span of a goldfish might get his hands on one! My first couple of prints proved that intuition is a bit like beauty - it is very much in the eye of the beholder. I loaded the accompanying Slicer App (that was the first thing I was not prepared for) and marvelled at how many advanced options there are - none of which seem to be explained properly nor indeed were they intuitive in any way, shape or form. The first couple of prints also proved that a bit like the early Star Trek transporter accidents, I too can turn my test subjects inside out - not pretty!

However, as an old-goat, I am also inordinately stubborn and so eventually found the settings that let me produce some of the smoothest, coolest 3D prints I have ever seen. With my new-found mastery of the universe, and like any good bloke, I immediately launched into printing perhaps the most complex set of shapes I will ever need. SUCCESS!!!

More about that in the future... 😉


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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #603 on: July 26, 2024, 03:53:59 AM »
March forward. You will find it very useful. I am in the elegoo camp, but same difference as far as it all goes. FDM does have its limitations and the output is not as finessed as resin printers, but nonetheless you can use it to make some very useful gadgets for modelling and bits and pieces for builds... take the Arctic BTR I did for the Plowshares GB, that used a 3D printed component

Even coming from an IT background and of the same vintage as you,  the software can be a bit confusing, I am still working things out at tweak level.
The 3D Printing thread on here has some great tips from Frank and others https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=9883.0

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #604 on: July 26, 2024, 04:51:02 AM »
Thanks mate!  :smiley:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #605 on: July 26, 2024, 09:21:00 AM »
I personally am pledged to the time-honoured Old Goat motto: "Nothing from this Century!".  But, by gum, that was impressive!

An inspiring tale full of wallet-emptying daring, persistence, and an almost Gen Y-like tech-savvy perspicacity. Breathtaking! And now I'll be needing a bit of a sit-down ...
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #606 on: July 26, 2024, 11:44:08 AM »
I'm still setting up what started as a 'I'll just bung that in the garage' and has now turned into a 'this industrial estate where formerly was a large area'.

These things are like immensely expensive macadamia nuts; there's no stopping once you start. You now need a washing/curing station because that sort of thing is for peons after all, not elegant and refined 3D printing persons such as ourselves. Of course there's the ducting to think of, and the fans, and why not duct in the spray booth? That's right, the open window where you held your breath to spray is no longer good enough!

It's at this point I realised that my delusions of grandeur far exceeded both my wallet's and garage's capacity

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #607 on: July 27, 2024, 05:53:30 AM »
I personally am pledged to the time-honoured Old Goat motto: "Nothing from this Century!".  But, by gum, that was impressive!

An inspiring tale full of wallet-emptying daring, persistence, and an almost Gen Y-like tech-savvy perspicacity. Breathtaking! And now I'll be needing a bit of a sit-down ...

 ;D  ;D  ;D

I'm still setting up what started as a 'I'll just bung that in the garage' and has now turned into a 'this industrial estate where formerly was a large area'.

These things are like immensely expensive macadamia nuts; there's no stopping once you start. You now need a washing/curing station because that sort of thing is for peons after all, not elegant and refined 3D printing persons such as ourselves. Of course there's the ducting to think of, and the fans, and why not duct in the spray booth? That's right, the open window where you held your breath to spray is no longer good enough!

It's at this point I realised that my delusions of grandeur far exceeded both my wallet's and garage's capacity

Yup, yup and yup!  ;)
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #608 on: August 10, 2024, 10:19:01 PM »
Although I haven't posted any models for a little while, I have not been idle and have been playing with my new 3D printer - much more about these trials and tribulations later but, suffice to say, there should be a couple of interesting projects coming off the slips in the next few weeks... months... years... 😋

In the meantime, I have been doing a little bit of very long overdue refurbishment. Way back in 2014, I built a model of an AH Bloodhound missile Transporter, Erector and Launcher (TEL) - for those that can remember, yes that was the one with all the knitting needles! The fact is that although I had great fun crafting the Bloodhound missiles, the project, as a whole, was rushed as I was deep in prep for an impending deployment to Talibanistan. Consequently, the effort needed to finish off the project to my satisfaction never really materialised. Following that particular deployment, said model sat on the shelf of my display cabinet and gathered dust while other projects piqued my interest and took up my free time. Before I knew it, 10 years had passed and still my trusty knitting needle creation languished...

So, taking some inspiration from my more recent Excalibur AD model, I have finally given the Bloodhound TEL the love and attention it has been missing. I have purposely kept the weathering to a subtle minimum - it has been my experience that when not in extended periods of combat and especially in peace-time, military equipment is generally kept in pristine condition with the crews taking great pride in the appearance and serviceability of their kit. After all, clean and well-maintained kit is what is going to keep you alive come the day...

So here we are - Bloodhound TEL Update:

A quick reminder of what came before:









Double hydraulic ram replacing original single, new omni-directional reference transmitter mast on the front, new paint job and new decals...

Transport configuration:









Firing configuration:








« Last Edit: August 11, 2024, 12:28:19 AM by Claymore »
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #609 on: August 11, 2024, 01:31:40 AM »
I remember your Bloodhound! I got my wife to give me a couple of her large plastic knitting needles after seeing this.

I'm assuming you started printing with PLA. Here's a great site (and associated videos) on how to calibrate your 3D printer. You don't have to go through all the steps, but some are critical.

Once you dial in your printer and are comfortable with it, try moving to ABS. You'll probably need to re-calibrate it (mainly nozzle height) but your printer has a heated bed AND and enclosure so it should be good to go for ABS.

With ABS you can use Acetone to smooth out the printing artifacts and to glue the part to styrene or ABS models.


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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #610 on: August 11, 2024, 01:54:57 AM »
Thanks mate.  I am indeed working with the PLA which came with the printer and, contrary to my initial moaning, the results of my first forays into 3D printing have been much better than I could have hoped for.  Having said that, I am always open to suggestions for improvement and will certainly look into the ABS option.  :smiley:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #611 on: August 11, 2024, 02:22:40 AM »
The main issue with PLA is that the print lines and artifacts can only be removed with primer and sanding. There's no solvent (at least none that doesn't require a full hazmat suit and a fume hood) for smoothing PLA.

You still have to do both with ABS, but the Acentone makes it a lot easier.

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #612 on: August 11, 2024, 02:31:13 AM »
 :smiley:  :smiley:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #613 on: August 24, 2024, 05:23:33 AM »

So here we are - Bloodhound TEL Update:


I think I'm in love...

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #614 on: August 24, 2024, 06:55:10 AM »
Thanks for bouncing this back up.. it really is a treat to see that again.

It must have been a thing back in the day.. I used a similar method of huge knitting needle for the Panzer IV Rheintochter TEL build from around 2009. waaaaay before any kits were available.


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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #615 on: August 25, 2024, 04:05:59 PM »
I think I'm in love...

 ;)

Thanks for bouncing this back up.. it really is a treat to see that again.

It must have been a thing back in the day.. I used a similar method of huge knitting needle for the Panzer IV Rheintochter TEL build from around 2009. waaaaay before any kits were available.


Yup, never diss the knitting needles!  ;D
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #616 on: September 14, 2024, 09:39:41 PM »
Komeetta, mikä Komeetta:  Just for completeness, I will post this here too but full details of the build can be found at - https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=11223.msg223526#new

Real World
As detailed by the Finnish Anti-Aircraft Museum’s website {1}, Finland’s adoption of any surface-to-air missile system was a slow and tortuous process beset by indecision, political infighting, a chronic shortage of funds and a need to keep the Soviet bear happy.

In 1966, the UK was rationalizing its Thunderbird 1 missile batteries and was looking for a potential customer for the surplus systems. Initially, Finland appeared keen and several training systems were supplied along with a number of drill missiles, however, the Finnish government dragged its heals and dithered about its commit. This led to the deal falling through and the available Thunderbird systems were eagerly snapped up by Saudi Arabia.

Although the Finnish military continued to voice its concerns, there followed a decade of political disinterest before the crippling lack of anti-aircraft missile defence was again seriously considered in the mid-1970s. Even so, short of funds, the Finn’s initial venture into the missile era was limited to a few hundred Strella (SA-7) shoulder-launched missiles and three S-125 Pechora (SA-3) missile batteries which were delivered in 1978 and 1980 respectively. The relatively static, SA-3 missiles were used, primarily, in the air defence of the Helsinki region and remained operational until 2000.

What-If
The premise of this whiff is that, in 1966, Finland goes ahead with its purchase of the UK’s 36 redundant Thunderbird 1 missiles which are employed, much like the RL SA-3s, to provide the medium-range, high-altitude area defence of the Helsinki region. Realising the need for a more mobile solution to meet Finland’s air-defence requirements but constrained by what they have to hand, the Finns start to conduct their own research and development.

In the early 1970s, the Finnish Defence Research Agency (FDRA) is tasked with looking into the possibility of making the Thunderbird system truly mobile rather than just transportable. This is a big ask and whilst it is generally expected that the missile’s significant bulk will constrain it as a practicable option, the trials go ahead anyway, even if only to gain valuable experience for the future. At much the same time, the FDRA is tasked with also conducting a set of very similar trials with their MTO-66 Permit (Styx) anti-shipping missiles. Two disarmed comet tanks are release from reserve storage to the FDRA to facilitate the trials and these vehicles, after a number of modifications, are allocated: Number 1 to the MTO-66 Permit trial, and Number 2 to the Thunderbird trial.

A number of mobility trials are conducted, firstly with drill missiles and latterly with live missiles in order to study the impact on both the transporter and the missile. As resources are limited only two missiles can be spared for the firing trials – these being recorded as numbered 01 and 02 respectively. The firing trial is to measure the impact on the launch vehicle and any degradation to the missile’s performance after the mobility trial.

Much to everyone’s surprise, the firing trials proves to be entirely successful with little or no degradation of the missile’s performance. However, as expected, the somewhat jury-rigged system is quite limited in its cross-country performance and the reload process, already rather a complex and time-consuming evolution with the relatively static basic launcher, proves to be a complete nightmare requiring the missile, in its cradle, to dangle from the jib of an unsuitably large crane. Nevertheless, the Thunderbird1 and, subsequently, the Thunderbird 2 will remain in service in the semi-static system area defence role with the Finnish army until 1990.

The Finnish military’s, next purchase in 1975 will be the 2K12 Kub (SA-6) dedicated mobile air-defence system but, with the lessons learned from the Thunderbird trials, the canny Finns will acquire more 1S91 radar vehicles and missiles than the purchased number of launchers would suggest and, subsequently, will adapt their own T-55 and T-62 hulls to ersatz TELS (please see Buzzbomb’s excellent model. https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=11204.0 ).

The model depicts the Thunderbird trials vehicle with missile No 01 in both the transportation and firing configurations as it appeared on the FDRA firing range. It was constructed form a Tamiya A34 Comet, a 3D printed Thunderbird 1 missile from cults3d.com, quite a lot of styrene tubing and card, some telephone wiring, some knitting needle off-cuts, and a few home-made decals.

















Epilogue:
I have discovered that FDRA trials vehicle No1 still exist as an exhibit at the Finnish Museum of Coastal Artillery in Kuivasaari {2}, unfortunately, at this time, the final disposal of trials vehicle No2 remains a mystery.



Footnotes:
1. ilmatorjuntamuseo.fi
2. albumit.lasipalatsi.fi
« Last Edit: September 16, 2024, 01:57:26 AM by Claymore »
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #617 on: September 15, 2024, 01:28:00 AM »
 :smiley:
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #618 on: September 15, 2024, 11:44:42 AM »
Double tick and a few ooh aahh's. Love it

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #619 on: September 16, 2024, 09:01:25 PM »
Blue Scarab / Firelight Update:

Well, the next project is underway and if you are somewhat confused by the WIP pics, don't worry - so am I! I sort of know in my head what I want to achieve but how exactly I am going to get there, I haven't quite figured out yet. This will be a companion model to one of my earlier builds and, therefore, some of you may already have worked out where I am going with the extended hull - although the door at the back might raise an eyebrow or two!!

(Sorry for the crappy images but they are just down and dirty shots as I go...)



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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #620 on: September 17, 2024, 07:42:11 AM »
Hmm, the question is what are you going to do with the guns off these hulls ? ???

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #621 on: September 17, 2024, 02:35:38 PM »
Hmm, the question is what are you going to do with the guns off these hulls ? ???

The guns are surplus to requirements and will be going into the spares box, I guess…
« Last Edit: September 19, 2024, 01:45:52 AM by Claymore »
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #622 on: September 19, 2024, 04:35:29 AM »
Blue Scarab / Firelight Update:

Things are progressing well - but then again, well is a very subjective term!  I've had a bit of a build, strip, rebuild issue with the construction of the new rear deck structure but think I am about there (detail not in the current WIP pic.)  And this is the easy bit!!  I'll post some pics of the rear deck soon but then things might slow down a tad as the scratch-building required is going to be a bit of a nightmare.

Hey ho, upwards and onwards...


« Last Edit: September 23, 2024, 02:03:31 AM by Claymore »
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #623 on: September 19, 2024, 05:45:43 AM »
Fine looking plastic surgery.  :smiley:   Do like what you are doing.  Interested to see how build takes form.

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #624 on: September 19, 2024, 07:00:55 AM »
This is very interesting. What kit are you starting with?