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Turning Beat T-72s ...
« on: May 29, 2024, 05:51:48 AM »
Doosan AT T-72HD 'Protected Construction Vehicle'

Once HD Hyundai Infracore had its 'RepOffice' registration in Ukraine, plans were made to perform final assembly of K2UA Tyhr main battle tanks in a new facility at Rivne. [1] This plant in western Ukraine was a Korean-Ukrainian joint venture called HD-UA - a JSC formed by HD Hyundai Infracore and state-owned Ukroboronprom. But HD-UA also had a civilian branch operating as Doosan AT (in Ukraine, the old Doosan name was still better-known for heavy equipment than the global Hyundai rebranding). [2]

Prior to the collapse of the Russian Federation and the war's end, the Republic of Korea had been resistant to providing direct military aid to Kyiv. Instead, the Korea International Cooperation Agency (KOICA) provided non-lethal aid through agreements with Kyiv and the UN Development Programme. After the war, Seoul donated 35 x ex-ROK Army T-80 series tanks to Ukraine (which would be employed for Dissimilar Ground Combat Training). These included 2 x T-80UK 'commander tanks', 30 x T-80U MBTs, and 3 x T-80U(XO) demining vehicles. The latter formed the basis for the first non-military vehicles assembled at the Rivne plant. These were a series of T-72HD 'protected construction vehicles' derived from the longer-hulled T-80U(XO).

Based on salvaged ZSU and ex-Russian Army T-72 model tank hulls, the T-72HD were fitted with cabs based on those of the DX225LC track excavators. [4] Unlike the demining T-80U(XO), T-72HD cabs weren't armour-protected. It was thought that the original tank hull provided sufficient blast-protection for the T-72HD's primarily role of deconstruction wartime trenches and fortifications. Despite being considered civilian vehicles, some T-72HDs were taken on by the ZSU to perform limited building demolition work. Designated as T-72 UZK, these militarized vehicles were fitted with cab cages to provide driver's with a degree of protection from falling debris. [5] This was a temporary affair as the ZSU preferred to leave such demo work to their better-protected IMR-80 AEVs.

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[1] K2UA tanks are a co-production with the Government of Poland. The K2UA combined Ukrainian parts with K2PL hulls and turrets built by PGZ in Poznan. Imported DV27K diesels and SNT EST15K gearboxes from Korea are also incorporated into the Ukrainian tanks. Visually, the K2UA can be distinguished from the K2PL by the former's RWS armed with a KT-12.7 (NSV) HMG.

[2] AT stands for Aktsionerne tovarystvo - the Ukrainian term for a Joint Stock Company.

[3] The ZSU's IMR-80 was a postwar T-80 series hull conversion. IMR stands for Inzhenerna Mashyna Rozhorodzhennya - the Ukrainian equivalent of an AEV. Along with German-supplied FFG Wisent 1s, the IMR-80s were the postwar ZSU's preferred demolition vehicles. (Superior AEV 3 Kodiak vehicles were reserved for purely military engineering work.)

[4] To Doosan AT, these 'turrets' are known as the DX72LC-0 or DX72LC-1. The key difference between them and the DX225LC series is the engine compartment. In the DX225LC track excavators, their 5.0L 6-cylinder DL06P diesel must also provide motive power. Since the T-72 already has a drive engine, the T-72HD's cab-mounted 1.8L DM01 3-cylinder turbo-diesel need only provide sufficient power to drive the hydraulic excavator arm, auxiliary take-offs, cab air conditioning, etc.

[5] Always regarded as interim vehicles, the T-72 UZK were never assigned an IMR designation. The UZK suffix stood for Ukrayins'ka Zakhyshchena Konstruktsiya or 'Ukrainian Protected Construction Vehicles'.
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Re: Turning Beat T-72s ...
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2024, 01:52:25 AM »
Excellent back story.

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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2024, 02:03:01 AM »
Demining would be another appropriate repurposing of redundant T-series hulls. I'd started following these guys in the 1990s
https://www.halousa.org/

then
https://www.csis.org/analysis/demining-ukraine-urgent-under-resourced-priority


Check out this Komatsu product https://cranemarket.com/blog/komatsu-demining-machine-completes-disposal-of-landmines-in-angola/

Probably drop an elevated (thus protected) driver's station and commander/observers post onto them like a Nagmachon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagmachon

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Re: Turning Beat T-72s ...
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2024, 04:36:38 AM »
Cheers Story.

Yes, mechanical demining would be another role for surplus T-70 hulls. In my backstory, I'd assumed that viable T-80 hulls not sold off to help fund postwar reconstruction, would be converted to 'IMR-80' AEV standard for ZSU use. Although not suitable for this GB, I'm imagining this 'IMR-80' as akin to your Nagmachon - ie: fitted with a driver's position that was raised, armour-protected, and blast-isolated (for controls, seats, etc.). And, obviously, the underside of any demining T-80 also needs serious appliqué armour mine-protection, hatch sealing-off, etc.

I also assumed that postwar Ukraine will have more FFG Wisent 1s (and associated Leo 1A3 spares) than the ZSU can accommodate. Those could also contribute to demining (and reconstruction). In my scenario, UA would regard Leo 1-based vehicles as attritable (so long as operators were extremely well-protected).

Demining Groups: Agreed that the HALO Trust does essential work (and, IMHO, the whole Guy Willoughby 'scandal' was more about CEO-assassination-by-Board than anything else). Another demining charity I've followed for years is Menschen gegen Minen. MgM caught my attention as a very early adopter of MPVs like the WMF Wolf and Wer'wolf series. I also love that MgM pioneered the use of demining critters like the giant pounched rats  :D
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Re: Turning Beat T-72s ...
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2024, 12:11:07 AM »
Pursuant to your crane notion, I went a-lookin' and while there's plenty of (die-cast) models in 1:43rd and 1;50th (1/48th?), fewer still in 1:72nd.

Maybe the answer is a 3D print in 1:35th? I'll be damned if I can find any such files in the usual places, tho.  ???


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Re: Turning Beat T-72s ...
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2024, 03:23:53 AM »
Hasegawa has a great line of 1/35 Japanese industrial vehicles

Like this one:



Which would work well with apophenia's original design, by changing the country of origin.

This might work as well:


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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2024, 03:54:18 AM »
Revell Germany had some 1/32nd-1/35th scale construction equipment that was a snap-kit.  I had a similar idea to add an excavator to the back of an MLRS to create a tracked excavator vehicle. 

Link: ScaleMates > Revell > Liebherr R-900C Litronic Excavator" Easy Kit" Snap Together Kit
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« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2024, 04:28:26 AM »
Hasegawa has a great line of 1/35 Japanese industrial vehicles


Excellent stuff, Frank! That Hitachi track excavator looks perfect. And, as you say, works just by switching countries. In many ways, the basic concept of swords-to-ploughshare suits Japanese policy even better than it does the ROK.

And I love that Yanmar combine harvester. Maybe for scooping up surface mines? Just build out of the box except for replacing the cab with a blast-proof housing for the remote-control sensors?
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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2024, 04:29:27 AM »
Revell Germany had some 1/32nd-1/35th scale construction equipment that was a snap-kit.  I had a similar idea to add an excavator to the back of an MLRS to create a tracked excavator vehicle. 

Link: ScaleMates > Revell > Liebherr R-900C Litronic Excavator" Easy Kit" Snap Together Kit

Jeff: I like the look of that kit ... although the Liebherr brand name puts me off (Liebherr being one of those business-as-usual-in-Russia hold-outs). Maybe Revell is aware of this negative association? I've noticed this same kit advertised as a generic "Raupenbagger R 900 C".
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Re: Turning Beat T-72s ...
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2024, 07:46:26 AM »
Revell Germany had some 1/32nd-1/35th scale construction equipment that was a snap-kit.  I had a similar idea to add an excavator to the back of an MLRS to create a tracked excavator vehicle. 

Link: ScaleMates > Revell > Liebherr R-900C Litronic Excavator" Easy Kit" Snap Together Kit
Jeff: I like the look of that kit ... although the Liebherr brand name puts me off (Liebherr being one of those business-as-usual-in-Russia hold-outs). Maybe Revell is aware of this negative association? I've noticed this same kit advertised as a generic "Raupenbagger R 900 C".
When the Revell kit first came out there was no conflict in the Ukraine and it was relatively peaceful.  No idea why Revell changed the packaging details on the models with the Liebherr brand name. 

As for the excavator kit there were two versions.  One with wheels and one with tracks.  The name branding is easily covered over or removed. 
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Re: Turning Beat T-72s ...
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2024, 05:32:44 AM »
... The name branding is easily covered over or removed.

Too true. After all, its Revell that profits on the kit sale, not Liebherr.

I'm kinda digging the wheeled version. I haven't figured out what ... but something about that wheeled platform suggests ploughshares-to-swords potential to me.
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