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Wellington and Warwick
« on: March 05, 2012, 06:27:23 AM »
Wellington GR Mk.XIV sporting Griffons.  Twin vertical tails with the classic criss-cross-applesauce pattern.    Armaments to vary.       
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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2012, 04:01:57 PM »
Or maybe just replace that nose turret:

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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2012, 08:33:01 PM »
Got a very Italian feel to it Greg.

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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2012, 02:13:39 AM »
Got a very Italian feel to it Greg.

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It does doesn't it - the long lost cousin of the Savoia-Marchetti SM.82?



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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2012, 03:42:10 AM »
The Mk. II prototype L4250 was fitted with a twin-tail during the tests of the 40mm turret system:


According to exchanges reproduced in 21st Profile Vol. 1, no. 5, Rolls-Royce suggested fitting the Griffon in place of the Bristol Hercules 7.S.M., the Ministry disagreed and Vickers sided with them. The max. speed increase would only have been 12 mph, from 248 to 260 mph, at the expense of 790 lbs increase in weight and a 110 gallon decrease in available fuel.
Range at max speed would drop from 1630 miles to 1150, and at a cruise speed of 180 mph (same for both engine types), from 1970 to 1620 miles.
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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2012, 11:15:27 AM »
My take on the unbuilt Vickers 'commercial monoplane' transport. Not really a Wellington (this design evolved alongside the  rather than being a direct derivative) but still 'model-able', I think.
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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2012, 02:18:30 AM »
Knowing virtually nothing about the Wellington, how did it compare to the Mitchell or Douglas Invader?    Reason being, could it be converted from a bomber into a gun nosed strafer like the B-25 and A-26? 
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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2012, 02:50:57 AM »
The Wellington is dimensionally quite a bit larger than either the B-25 or A-26, 86' span versus @ 67 and 70 feet, respectively. Kinda big for the strafer role.
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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2012, 03:36:28 AM »
Though of course you could always do it as an anti-shipping Coastal Command version with a large cannon in the same vein as the B-25G or H:



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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2012, 07:40:20 AM »
There was a Wellington proposed with two Vickers S guns in the nose as a Coastal Command aircraft.

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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2012, 07:43:02 AM »
What I had in mind was anti shipping with more forward firepower than a Beaufighter.     
Clipping the wings of a Wellington would be detrimental presumably yes?   

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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2012, 02:52:37 PM »




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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2012, 09:39:47 PM »
What I had in mind was anti shipping with more forward firepower than a Beaufighter.     
Clipping the wings of a Wellington would be detrimental presumably yes?   

Thanks for the info.

Clipping might be a bit difficult with the Geodetic structure.  I think with the Wellington you could more than likely fit twin cannon of greater calibre than a 20mm and still have room over for a fairly large radar scanner.  Perhaps the 40mm Vickers of Rolls Royce cannon?  Even perhaps as big as 75mm.  It would have made it quite deadly for radar-guided attacks on U-Boats in the Bay of Biscay at night.

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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2012, 01:29:23 AM »
Shortening the wings on a Wellington would be relatively easy from a structural standpoint as the geodetic
structure is made up of standardized repeated small units.

Indeed, unlike the B.9/32 prototype, the production Wellington had large parts of its structure in common with
the Warwick, the Wellington Mk. 1 being basically a cut-down Warwick with seven fewer stations in each inner
wing and 12 fewer fuselage stations. The Warwick also had an additional five stations in the nose. Most of the
geodetic components were common to both airframes. Also the four-engine Windsor started as a Merlin-engined
stretch of the basic Warwick design.

So with the understanding that these were all built using the same basic small pieces ... what could one add
to the family?

BTW the post-war Viking, Valetta and Varsity monocoque fuselage family originated from the Wellington, the
first production Vikings having fabric-covered Wellington wings.
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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2012, 02:21:21 AM »
Maybe a 4 engined stretched version of the Warwick?
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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2012, 03:40:30 AM »
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It would have made it quite deadly for radar-guided attacks on U-Boats in the Bay of Biscay at night.
Save for the geography, this is precisely what I had in mind with the aircraft flying an attack pattern similar to the Black Cats in the Pacific.   


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Shortening the wings on a Wellington would be relatively easy from a structural standpoint as the geodetic
structure is made up of standardized repeated small units.
Conversely, this suggests lengthening the wings would also be possible to create a PR variant yes?


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Indeed, unlike the B.9/32 prototype, the production Wellington had large parts of its structure in common with
the Warwick, the Wellington Mk. 1 being basically a cut-down Warwick with seven fewer stations in each inner
wing and 12 fewer fuselage stations. The Warwick also had an additional five stations in the nose. Most of the
geodetic components were common to both airframes.
There goes my idea of a Stretched Wellington.    Had hoped to do the same to the C-47 only to discover the Super DC-3.   ;D


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So with the understanding that these were all built using the same basic small pieces ... what could one add
to the family?

But of course.   ;D



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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2012, 06:45:02 AM »
Maybe a 4 engined stretched version of the Warwick?

That would be similar to the Windsor heavy bomber.  Four engines & geodetic airframe.

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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2012, 10:57:21 AM »
Though of course you could always do it as an anti-shipping Coastal Command version with a large cannon in the same vein as the B-25G or H...


My take on that (in a slightly reduced-size airframe  ;)  )

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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2012, 01:09:42 AM »
Wellington fire bomber for fighting forest fires and prairie fires.  Plenty of possible [plausible] schemes. 
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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2012, 04:22:33 PM »
Floatplane version ala Can't Z.506

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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2013, 04:49:57 PM »
What about the Wellington's big brother; the Warwick?



Speaking of which, does anyone know of a 1/48 kit thereof?
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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2013, 04:53:17 PM »
Nope.  1/72 are as rare as hen's teeth as well.   >:D

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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2013, 12:05:27 AM »
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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2013, 11:25:44 PM »
While Boeing knew they all had similar fuselage sections the model manufacturers never seemed to grasp that fact. You'd be amazed at the number of different sections they've managed to produce. I tried to do something like that years ago using a couple of Frog 707s and an Airfix 727-100 but would they fit? NO way! I still have the wreckage somewhere, maybe I should dig it out and try again.

Actually now I think about it, they may have been two Airfix 727s and a singular Frog 707 but you get the idea.

A while ago I had a similar experience, I had bought one of Unicraft's Wellington Mk.V/VI conversions and the plan was to use an old Airfix kit.  But the conversion just didn't fit it, it was way oversized.  I found out later Igor had based his conversion on a 'Not Released' Frog Wellington that the Frog Spawn crowd had got hold of.  As there was only one outfit (Maquette) that was producing a kit from these moulds I bought one, the conversion fits perfectly.

Here's a pic of just how out of whack the Frog kit was --- top pic is the conversion with the Airfix kit, middle pic is with the Matchbox kit and the last one with the Maquette kit

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Re: Wellingtons
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2013, 11:28:50 PM »
Someone, somewhere has some very badly calibrated rulers!  :o
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