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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2013, 10:24:05 PM »
The 309 looks like it belongs in the line up at the air races.
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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2013, 11:33:43 PM »
Huma also made an Me 609. I have the bagged version and it was one of their low pressure injection kits.

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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2013, 12:02:03 AM »
The 109 was referred to intechangably as the Bf 109 and Me 109 in both Messerschmitt and RLM
documents of the period, sometimes as both in a single document. So any numpty that gives
anyone grief over using Me 109, doesn't actually know what they are talking about.
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The XIII/246 looks like a decent basis for a speed record attempt or cross-country race aircraft,
however the lack of forward vision would make pylon racing problematic. You'd probably want to
crop the wings, as well.
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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2013, 02:01:43 PM »
Generally the designation Bf109 is correct up to the point where the Bayerische Flugzeugwerke became the Messerschmitt AG on July 11, 1938, whereas the designation changed to Me109.  However, as you note Jon, the nomenclature was all over the place with the two designations used interchangeably both by the company and officialdom.  Registration plates though, which were collected assiduously by RAF intelligence from wrecks throughout the war saw the steady change from Bf109 through to Me109 as newer ones were created.  Even so, by wars end you apparently still saw "Bf109"s.

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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2013, 03:07:49 AM »
Damn!!! If you can't trust the NAZIs to keep the paperwork/terminology correct, who can you... ;) ;D
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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2013, 10:52:21 AM »
Damn!!! If you can't trust the NAZIs to keep the paperwork/terminology correct, who can you... ;) ;D

Reading the minutes of the Luftwaffe Ministry planning meetings for the Bf110/Me210/Me410/Ar240 which have been published in a book makes interesting reading.  Now, these were the blokes apparently in charge of the whole shebang but they keep making mistakes in the nomenclature and referring to aircraft like the Ar240 and the Me210 well after those projects had been abandoned.  Erhard Milch really disliked Willy Messerschmitt and that also comes out in the minutes.  So, it's no wonder the people near the bottom got it wrong as well.

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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2013, 06:30:20 AM »
Something different - bare metal Bf109:

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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2013, 09:26:01 AM »
Something different - bare metal Bf109:




Clearly the colors are all wrong on that. RLM Bare metal does not look like that at all  ;)
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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2014, 11:53:48 PM »
Comunist Buchón and Co.  ;D


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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2014, 08:25:41 PM »



I like this. Will save it for a later build.
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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2014, 02:53:03 AM »
Hmmm…forced amalgamation of Messerschmitt and Focke-Wulf?
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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2014, 04:04:27 AM »
Something I just found online by accident - the "Messerschmitt Me309 Mach"



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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2014, 04:17:12 AM »
Here is the original mini-story behind the Bf-109M series shown on the first page (and reproduced below):

"Following the success of Unternehmen Wacht am Rhein, and the sudden death of Stalin which halted the Soviet advance in the East, the German forces found themselves defending their own borders.  Whilst the new jets/rockets were promising, the tried and tested Bf-109 and Fw-190 versions still formed the bulk of the Luftwaffe’s fighting force.  In the case of the Fw-190 it was the Ta-152 series that now ruled.  Alongside it was the new Bf-109M (“Martha”) series – the Bf-109M-2 being the first variant to enter wide-spread service.

The Marthas were perhaps the greatest change since the Bf-109F/G series were introduced.  Based upon the Bf-109K, the M-2 was fitted with a DB-605L engine with a two-stage supercharger and MW-50 water-methanol injection giving just over 2000HP.  This drove a new 6 bladed contra-rotating prop which not only gave greater thrust (speeds in excess of 725 km/hr (450 mph) were regularly attained), but also helped reduce the take-off/landing difficulties long associated with the Bf-109 series (a major aid given some of the inexperienced pilots now being pressed into service).  Standard armament consisted of a single MK-108 30 mm Motorkanone firing through the propeller hub and twin MG-151/15 15 mm cowling guns.  The greatest visible difference however was the new cut down rear decking/all round bubble canopy.  Copying the ideas already seen in the similar late war Spitfire series, this was introduced at the request of pilots who argued that even the so-called “Galland Hood” of the late G/K series wasn’t sufficient.  This new canopy was similar in basic design to that developed for the new Me-262 but was obviously smaller to match the contours of the smaller Bf-109.  It also featured cockpit pressurization.

By the time the war ended in February 1946, over 1200 of the new Martha series had been produced."


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