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Must have been ages since I last did an in-progress thread. Last one was for a Hasegawa 1/72 F-16C Block 50 for the Viper II GB Ė that ended ten years ago or so. Sheesh, time does fly, whether thereís fun being had or not.  :icon_meditation: Anyway, hereís a new IP thread.
This didnít originally start out as a four-Fishbeds-at-once thing. The first one (from Eduardís MiG-21MF Interceptor boxing) was started well over a year ago. It made good progress for a while, then ran out of steam. It then sat in primer and the beginning of a camo scheme for quite some time. I was able to get a couple more camouflage colours on earlier this year, but that was a rather frustrating experience. AKAN colours (water-soluble acrylics) and I donít get along too well. Yet. I hope that will change at some point. Wouldnít mind if it was sooner rather than later.

Here are the cockpit and ejection seat. Around thirty or so parts at this point. Pre-painted PE looks cool.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-01 by Motschke, on Flickr

The pilot transferred from a Zvezda MiG-21bis.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-02 by Motschke, on Flickr

I guess heíll be sufficient once the canopy is on. The coloured PE does look nice. The firing handles for the ejection seat are a nice touch.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-03 by Motschke, on Flickr

All closed and interior colour sprayed. I donít think this was a proper colour by AKAN (didnít have that one at the time), but a mix of some AKAN blues and greens.
The Fencer is a ďsmear birdĒ. Italeri boxing of the Dragon kit, built around twenty years ago and attacked (ďpaintedĒ doesnít quite cut it) with Revell enamels and a hairy stick. I painted the Fencerís belly for practice purposes and because I had mixed way too much paint.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-04 by Motschke, on Flickr

This is the scheme Iím going for. Anyone some ideas for a proper load-out? At the moment Iím considering a pair of R-13Ms and some bombs. Maybe.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-05 by Motschke, on Flickr

I also have Begemotís decal sheet featuring this particular scheme. It provides more views than the Linden Hill instruction sheet. Since itís quite an intricate scheme and having four different topside colours represented in various shade of grey in the instructions, I thought Iíd make things easier by enlarging the plan and filling in the colours with coloured pencils.  It doesnít help that some light colours are represented with dark greys in the instruction sheet and vice versa.  :-\
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-06 by Motschke, on Flickr

This is where things ground to a screeching halt some time last summer. As you can see, thereís more green on the paper towel than on the Fishbed.  :icon_twisted: I had severe problems with paint drying on the tip. I used a Harder & Steenbeck Evolution Silverline with a 0.2mm nozzle for this.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-07 by Motschke, on Flickr

My attempt at a paint swatch for the colours in my stash. I figured Iíd paint one of the cockpit-hoods-on-popsicle-sticks-things for every new colour Iíd use and then have a handy swatch, showing what the colours actually like once on primed plastic. The AKAN bottles have all sorts of weird and wonderful colours showing through their plastic jars, but these are hardly indicative of whatís inside once itís been stirred. The things are actually fingernail art displays found on Amazon. Fifty for 2 or 3 bucks. They were primed with Badger Stynylrez.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-08 by Motschke, on Flickr
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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2019, 12:03:48 PM »
This is where things stood a couple of weeks ago. The Soviet Fishbed got another few camo colours, all from AKAN. I used the non-faded versions as indicated in Linden Hillís Azeri Fishbed sheet. They looked close enough. And I guess since the Azeris got their SMs from Soviet stocks, the colours should indeed be similar. Painting was so-so this time. I tried a dirt-cheap Fengda airbrush (from Amazon). That actually produced nicer results than my H&S. I donít know. Perhaps airbrushing is a dark art after all. The Fengda was not without its vices. Suffice it to say, the Fengda is no more.  C:-)
Also visible are three more Fishbeds. Theyíre from Eduardís Royal Class and MiG-21MF Fighter-Bomber boxings. I thought maybe building a couple of the same kit at the same time would not let me run out of steam quite so quickly and thatís worked out fine. So far.  ;)
I intend to build the Bulgarian and Cuban options from the Royal Class boxing and the Egyptian from the fighter-bomber boxing.
In_Prog_1man by Motschke, on Flickr

Assembly line.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-09 by Motschke, on Flickr

I found that shaving the slightest bit of the areas marked in red would improve the fit of the wings.
The two bits of styrene in the wheel well are as a backer for a little filling. This particular lower wing half was shot short.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-10 by Motschke, on Flickr


Iíve found this gap between the wing section and the assembled fuselage halves on all four Fishbeds so far. Needs a little filling. I used thin plastic sheet.
On the right hand side you see where filler was used to plug the gap from the short shot.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-11 by Motschke, on Flickr

This was an attempt to get a kind of support for liquid putty. I originally planned to use Magic Scuplt. Itís easily manipulated into gaps and can then be smoothed with water, making sanding redundant. In the end, thin plastic sheet worked just as fine.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-12 by Motschke, on Flickr

I want to build all four Fishbeds in-flight. The Zvezda pilot is okay, but I wanted something a little better. This is an Aerobonus Soviet Naval Air Force pilot. As you can see, heís standing with his arms down by his side, head looking sideways. Since heís still on the tarmac, heís not wearing his oxygen mask. The level of detail is very nice, though. That should make painting a lot easier.
Some Frankensteiníing is in order!
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-13 by Motschke, on Flickr

First steps. First cuts?  :icon_vader: Legs cut off. Aluminium wire was sintered to allow the legs to bent, making the torso fit the ejection seat and the cockpit.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-14 by Motschke, on Flickr

Getting him ready for moulding. An oxygen mask was added with Magic Sculp. The legs were cut at the knees, but easily reassembled thanks to the aluminium wire. The arms were also bent. They were cut at the elbow and also reconnected with aluminium wire and CA. Ha, no needle and thread for this Frankenstein!
The arm on the right has a throttle added to the hand..
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-15 by Motschke, on Flickr

The first round of moulds didnít really work out. Lots of bad casts. So I revised the bases for the parts. Mould boxes made from LEGO (of course!).
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-16 by Motschke, on Flickr
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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2019, 12:04:51 PM »
Making new moulds using the revised basing. Also making a mess.  :P
Actually bought new-ish LEGO parts just for this purpose. You can get them in any size you want from shops selling individual parts (used and new) via BrickOwl.com. For some colours, the prices for 4X2 bricks are a cent per brick! Perfect for reconfigurable mould boxes.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-17 by Motschke, on Flickr

With the revised bases I was able to get much better casts. They do need more clean-up, though. The resin I use was pretty easy to cut with sprue cutters and scalpels, so clean-up wasnít too bad.
The pilot on the right is glued to his ejection seat and already has the stick fitted to his hand. They all need slight adjustments to allow them to board their cockpits after theyíre painted. The rudder pedals had to be cut out because of fit issues (donít tell anyone).
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-18 by Motschke, on Flickr

Batmen.
The black primer brings out the detail much better than the tan resin.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-19 by Motschke, on Flickr

Pilots painted and with oxygen hoses and mike cables. Pilots were painted with a mix of Revell Aqua, Vallejo, Citadel and AKAN. The oxygen hoses were made by wrapping quite thin copper wire round a slightly thicker wire. They turned a bit oversize, but arenít too bad, I guess. The mike cables are even thinner copper wire. All wires were sourced from various old appliance cables. I was a little careless with painting the seats because you wonít see any of that afterwards anyway. Painting things nobody will see? Ainít nobody got time for dat!
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-20 by Motschke, on Flickr

Pilots fitted to their cockpits. Added a dab of Tamiya X-22 to make their visors shiny.
Bit of dry-brushing and some dust pigments on the IP panel coaming for some discolouration. The HUD lens was painted with a mix of clear Mr. Color orange and yellow tones. The whole HUD assembly is made from a transparent part., which I think works nicely.  I painted the bottom silver first. With the transparent colours added to it, it looks quite convincing. 
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-21 by Motschke, on Flickr

One step back. The part just ahead of the windscreen (D32) has some slight fit issues. Eduard did some clever engineering on this kit and a lot of seas are hidden. With the spill-over from the air intake (still slightly flashed-over in this pic), it makes sense to design the parts this way. It would be really nasty to have a seam running down the centreline here.
I used red marker to give me a reference when sanding. A few swipes with some sanding files were all that was needed. Rescribing was a female dog, though. Will have to see how this looks under primer.
Also obvious is that AKANs interpretation of Yucky MiG Cockpit Green isnít quite the same as Eduardís pre-painted PEís is. Then again, once itís all buttoned-up, that wonít be too much of a problem. In the previous pic (with the pilots), the difference is hardly discernible (also thanks to a bit more brushwork with mixed colours).
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-24 by Motschke, on Flickr

The fuselageís tail pipes. Original on the left, thinned down version on the right. I donít know why Eduard moulded them so thick. An issue of plastic flow in the mould? Some scraping and filing produced much thinner versions.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-22 by Motschke, on Flickr

So much for now. More when thereísÖ well, more.  ;)
Cheers,
Moritz

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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2019, 02:47:22 PM »
Neat job on the pilots! :smiley:
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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2019, 10:30:45 PM »
It's a treat to see you back at the bench, Mortiz and the MiG-21 is one of my favorite Soviet jets.

That camo paint work is especially sweet. I'm going to enjoy seeing more for sure!

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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2019, 03:26:06 AM »
great job on the pilot plastic surgery and casting! the painting looks great, too. Stynylrez is a great paint/primer and it makes a great primer surface for delicate acrylics like Vallejo.

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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2019, 10:56:16 PM »
Looking good Moritz.  Four at a time is impressive considering what you have created in 72nd scale.
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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2019, 02:55:37 AM »
great job on the pilot plastic surgery and casting! the painting looks great, too...

Agreed! Very nice work  :smiley:
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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2019, 07:37:50 AM »
Thanks, guys! Glad you like them.  :smiley: It's good to be actually modelling and putting cement to plastic for once.
Hope you don't mind that wall of text and pics, but I wanted to be sure I'd get quite a way into the MiGs so I wouldn't start a thread and let it cool down only shortly thereafter. Hope the mojo continues to be on my side.

<...> That camo paint work is especially sweet. I'm going to enjoy seeing more for sure!< <...>

It looks nice because it's about an arm's length away.  ;)  Airbrush was driving me mad at times.  >:D No colour at one moment, then - with only the minutest muscle movement on the trigger - a deluge. Then the finest line fit for free-handing intricate camo schemes - for all of an inch or two. And no rhyme or reason I could make out.  :icon_twisted: The camo looks quite splotchy and that's only partly on purpose, I'm afraid. I guess with some weathering it will look like a suitably beat-up and well-used airframe, though. I hope.
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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2019, 10:03:57 AM »
Got a bit more work done on the Fishbeds.

Kicking off with the Ė in my eyes Ė only real, REAL weak point of the kit: the air intake!
(What is it with Eduard and the Fishbed noses?)
The intake ring is dull. The intake rings on the left and right are from the box. DULL! Rounded. More Farmer than Fishbed, Iím afraid.  The Intake ring in the middle is my sharpened version. Took about ten minutes with a deburrer, files and sand paper. The intake diameter is now also a bit larger (albeit still too small!). OOB the inside diameter is 11,04mm. The actual MiG-21MF intake has a diameter of 89cm (measured at a German museum in Cottbus by modelling colleagues on flugzeugforum.de), which translates to 12,36mm on a 1/72 model. My sharpened version has a diameter of 11,44mm. Still too small, but the sharp lip improves the look of the model considerably, I think.
The inside diameter of the metal replacement parts by airdesign.sk and Miniworld is 11,5mm each.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-25 by Motschke, on Flickr.

The in-flight stands.
Since all four Fishbeds are going to be in-flight, they need stands. Trying a solid square rod (2.5x2.5mm) this time. Original plan was to use 3x0.5mm strip styrene to fashion sleeves that would accept the rods. The sleeves were to be embedded into the model. Only built one sleeve this way.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-26 by Motschke, on Flickr

Used 5x5mm L-strip (0.5mm thickness) by Tamiya on the three other sleeves.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-34 by Motschke, on Flickr

Needed some trimming down to 3mm. Fit is quite tight. Almost a bit too tight.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-35 by Motschke, on Flickr

I could have installed the sleeves before closing the fuselages. On many types, that wouldíve made much more sense than the way I did it on the Fishbeds. I drilled a hole next to the ventral fin and enlarged it with square files so it would accept the square sleeve. The sleeve now sits between the last ďengine bulkheadĒ (part D50) and the afterburner flameholder (part D41). Couldnít be helped, but is invisible anyway.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-27 by Motschke, on Flickr

The drilling and routing were done with a Proxxon MicroMOT 50/EF on a Proxxon drill press stand to ensure the drill and router bit wouldnít wander.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-28 by Motschke, on Flickr

This is what it looks like under primer.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-36 by Motschke, on Flickr

With the rod installed. Neat enough.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-37 by Motschke, on Flickr
« Last Edit: December 01, 2019, 01:16:52 PM by ChernayaAkula »
Cheers,
Moritz

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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2019, 10:06:11 AM »
While I had the drill stand set up, I figured Iíd give the GSh-23 cannons a bit of attention.
On the right is an OOB part with the ďearsĒ for the cooling air intake/shell ejection ports added. On the left the modified parts. From the front:
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-29 by Motschke, on Flickr

ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-30 by Motschke, on Flickr
From the rear:
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-31 by Motschke, on Flickr

I opened up the holes in the ďearsĒ with a drill bit and the help of a vise. A matchstick helped securing the part without snapping the ears. These holes were only starting points, though. I hollowed out the parts mostly with fresh scalpel blades.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-23 by Motschke, on Flickr

Fit of the guns was greatly enhanced by running the chisel a few times against the ridges on the fuselage flanking/pinching the gun housings.
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-32 by Motschke, on Flickr

Ready for priming!
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-33 by Motschke, on Flickr

Primed!
I fashioned a couple of stands from some woodworking left-overs. Never Ė NEVER! Ė throw anything away! The post has a hole that accepts a wooden rod which in turn fits the tailpipe quite snuggly once some making tape is wrapped around it. The Fishbed-on-a-stick can now be easily handled for painting and is just as easily stored for drying. Now I just need to get started on the paintingÖÖ
ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-38 by Motschke, on Flickr

So much for now. Hope to get some paint down soon. I hope to get the Fishbeds done this year. Famous last words, eh? Took me ages to get this update upÖ.  :-\
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Cheers,
Moritz

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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2019, 09:23:26 PM »
Lookin' fine! 8)
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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2019, 10:36:53 PM »
These look great! I would have thought 1/48th scale from the look of those cockpits!
I sympathize with the painting problems. I always stall out at that point. Keep at it, Iím sure they will look great.

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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2019, 01:32:41 PM »
Thanks, guys!

I hope the paint won't stop me. I'm cautiously optimistic, though. Did some trail runs on an ICM 1/72 MiG-25 Foxbat and the airbrush didn't give me too much trouble. I tried using some stencils and white paint to create some preshading.


ICM-72-MiG-25-Foxbat-ArtFX-01 by Motschke, on Flickr

Looks kinda cool just like that, I think. Really just white over black primer.

Sprayed some fairly thin grey paint over all of that, taking care not to cover the preshading completely. The idea was to get a slightly patchy, worn appearance to make it look more "lively". I'm quite happy with how it turned out.


ICM-72-MiG-25-Foxbat-ArtoolFX-03 by Motschke, on Flickr
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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2019, 06:47:47 PM »
Use a couple of greens for a base & one or two browns over that mask (or vice-versa) & that's one awesome camo scheme! 8)
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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2019, 03:59:12 AM »
That fractal MiG is looking like it's gonna be pure eye-candy!

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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2020, 01:31:25 PM »
Old Wombat: Yeah, that should work really nicely.  :smiley:

Brian da Basher: Thanks. Once it's grey, the candy bit will be gone, though. 

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Get the Fishbeds done in 2019?  Yeah nah, that obviously didnít pan out.  :-[ Didnít touch them at all for the remainder of 2019. But now itís 2020 and Iím happy to report that some progress has been made. :icon_beer:

Primer had ample time to dryÖ  :uuu:  Ö and things kicked off in 2020 with some pre-shading, thanks to the Artool FX masks and Tamiya paint. Three topsidesÖ


ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-39 by Motschke, on Flickr

Öand four bottoms. On the lower right is the Soviet SM that had most of its topside camo colours applied already.


ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-40 by Motschke, on Flickr

First camo colour. Gunze H27 Sand, to be precise. Thinned with Mr. Color Leveling Thinner, it went down nicely.


ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-41 by Motschke, on Flickr

Underside light blue. Gunze H67. I hope you can see the preshading showing through just a tiny bit on the leading and trailing edges. Difficult to get on camera.


ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-42 by Motschke, on Flickr

Masking the radio-transparent bits. 30 minutes of masking, two minutes spraying (Gunze H26).  ;D
This is the Egyptian Fishbed. The sand colour is a tad brown, I guess. Both the sand and green (Gunze C136) have been faded ever so slightly slightly using highly-thinned Tamiya white.


ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-43 by Motschke, on Flickr

ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-44 by Motschke, on Flickr

The Bulgarian camo looks fairly complex. In the end, it wasnít nearly as bad as I had feared.


ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-45 by Motschke, on Flickr

This is where things are at right now. The Bulgarian (missing half its pitot rod because Iím a klutz  :-[)  and Cuban/Angolan MiGs.
For some odd reason, the two greens ĖMr. Color 135 and 136  - were much more difficult to work with than the sand colour, Mr. Hobby Color 27. I thinned all three  with Mr. Leveling Thinner. I suppose the Mr. Color colours should have been easier to thin Ė being lacquers -, given that the thinner is actually for these very colours. Still, even with a bit more thinner in the Mr. Color colurs, these tended to clog and dry on the tip much faster than the Mr. Hobby Color. Conventional wisdom has it that the Mr. Hobby Color shouldíve been more difficult, being an acrylic. Right?


ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-46 by Motschke, on Flickr


ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-47 by Motschke, on Flickr

The Soviet SM and the Egyptian MF. Note that the Egyptian and Cuban/Angolan MiGs use the same colours. The Egyptian one has been faded a bit.


ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-48 by Motschke, on Flickr


ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx4-49 by Motschke, on Flickr

I need to repair some overspray on the undersides. I will probably try fading the other camo schemes and radio-transparent bits a bit (more). Maybe add a little chipping and then itís time for the pre-decal gloss coat.  :smiley:
Will also need to work on the load-out.
The metal bits also need painting. Iíll be using AK Extreme Metal for this. Still debating whether to lay these down before the decal gloss coat or not. Thoughts?
Cheers,
Moritz

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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2020, 04:02:04 AM »
Holy Fishbed resurrection, Batman!

Love the look of that camo, Herr Akula.

I liked the spotty one and probably would've gone with it but that might be just because it reminds me of my teenage years.  ;D

Great stuff and you've got some keen artistic talent!

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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2020, 07:48:50 AM »
This is looking really good! I would just use gloss where the decals go, then spray with matte or flat to match the rest of the paint.

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« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2020, 09:17:59 AM »
Thanks, Mr da Basher!  :smiley:

This is looking really good! I would just use gloss where the decals go, then spray with matte or flat to match the rest of the paint.

Looking at the stencil instructions, that would be..... just about everywhere.  ;D Really, the only things not covered in stencils are the underside of the stabilators and about a fingernail-sized patch smack in the middle of the wings.
The thing I'm wondering about with the gloss coat is the metal bits. I wonder whether using a gloss coat now and a matte coat at the end would kill the metal lustre. The AK Extreme Metal paint are said to be pretty durable. Apparently they aren't fussed by odorless thinner used in weathering, meaning they don't have to be protected by a gloss coat like the decals do. I've got a MiG-25 in the works that's at the same point. I will probably try laying down metal colours and then an overall gloss coat and see how it looks from there.
In the end, this might be a non-issue. The parts I'm talking on the Fishbeds and Foxbat about are well-weathered and not shiny at all. The drop tanks I painted in AK Extreme Metal Aluminium, for example, look way too shiny. They will need dulling down to look realistic.
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Moritz

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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2020, 09:34:22 AM »
Looking good Moritz!  Hopefully no more mishaps with the pitot tube bits.  :smiley:
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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2020, 11:22:46 AM »
A gloss coat makes metal finishes look unnatural. A flat or matte coat just dulls the shine, so maybe a dull coat after gloss? Or just don't gloss the metal parts (if you can). Another option is to hand brush metal surfaces that have lost their metallic look. For small areas, it should be OK.

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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2020, 12:32:30 PM »
Thanks, Jeff! Hope you're right about the pitots.  ;) I've got a set of Master brass pitots. Hadn't intended to use it for one of these Fishbeds, but I guess that's academic now.

Yeah, Frank, a dull coat after the gloss was the idea.  :smiley: Either that or paint the metal parts so late in the build that everything else has already got its final dull coat.
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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2020, 03:36:52 PM »
The three-tone looks great! 8)
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Re: Real world!!! Four 1/72 Eduard MiG-21MF Fishbeds, all in-flight
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2020, 02:06:05 PM »
Six months since the last update? Ugh.  :-X
Among other smaller things that had to be done, I had to add the little FOD guards for the auxiliary air inlets. Top row left is what Eduard provides in the box (thereís also a plastic version, but thatís too thick): a butt joint in a groove in the fuselage. Can be made to work (I know because I tried), but pretty easy to knock off while handling the model (I know because I tried). A more durable solution had to be found. Iíve seen a build where the modeller soldered thin brass wire to a slit cut in the fins (subject  was a BAe Hawk). Iíve also tried that. Result is in the lower right corner. Wasnít happy with my soldering skills. Granted, this was my first try at soldering PE, but it was so frustrating at that moment that I tried another approach: CA. This seemed to work much better for me and turned out to be almost as strong. I will give soldering another try in the future, but I wanted to crack on with the Fishbeds and the FOD guards had sucked enough joy at that point and stalled the build(s) for a brief time. Well, brief? Given that my last update was in mid-JanuaryÖ.
Anyway, the (suitably shortened) brass wires were then inserted in holes drilled in the grooves on the fuselages and secured with CA. Much stronger than the OOB solution.
Idea for Eduard: Instead of thin tabs that need to be cut, perhaps leave a full-thickness tab that can be glued in a drilled hole?

ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx50 by Motschke, on Flickr

To cut the slots, I fashioned a zero-clearance bit from a piece of aluminium T-stock. That kept the PE from bending to the pressure of the fret saw.

ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx51 by Motschke, on Flickr

Also had to paint the ordnance and the associated pylons. Drilled holes in all of them and inserted thin brass wire to hold them.
The Angolan MiG will get four UB-16 rocket pods. The Egyptian MiG will be armed with four R-3S/AA-2 Atolls. The Soviet MiG will be armed with two each R-13M/AA-2 Atoll and R-3R/AA-2 radar-guided Atolls. The Bulgarian MiG will get two R-60/AA-8 Aphids and two empty pylons.
All are from Eduard BRASSIN sets, except for the R-3R AAMs, which are from ResKit.

ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx52 by Motschke, on Flickr

Resin and brass mobile.  ;D

ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx53 by Motschke, on Flickr

Shiny MiGs! Tamiya X-22 thinned 1:1 with Mr. Color Leveling Thinner.  Well, a tiny bit more thinner than X-22. 40/60-ish.
Iíve decided to paint the metal parts as late as possible.

ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx54 by Motschke, on Flickr

First round of decals. The Angolan and Bulgarian markings are printed by Cartograf. The Egyptian markings are Eduardís in-house decals. They werenít too bad. Not quite Cartograf, but quite usable. With some Micro Set and Sol they wrapped around the conduit on the rear flank quite nicely. The stars on the Soviet MiG are from Cartograf (robbed an Eduard option for those), the White 17 is from a (rather old) Begemot sheet.

ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx55 by Motschke, on Flickr

Disaster! :icon_twisted:  The white arrow on the Begemot sheet didnít want to play ball. Wouldnít lay into the panel lines no matter how much Micro Sol I threw at it. Also didnít want to align properly. In the end, I had to take it off. The Sol didnít get the decal to conform to the panel lines, but it sure made it stick like mad. It apparently also softened the clear coat, paint and underlying primer. Getting the decals off resulted in some paint flaking off.
I have another arrow on a Linden Hill sheet, but Iím thinking about making some masks and spraying it instead.

ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx56 by Motschke, on Flickr

The drop tanks also got some paint. They were all painted in AK Extreme metal (Dark Aluminium, I think), got a coat of hairspray and then their camouflage colours. Some water was applied to activate the hairspray. I then used a stiff brush, tooth picks, bamboo skewers and tweezers to ding them up a bit. At the top is the tank for the Angolan MiG in a wrap-around scheme. Next up is the Soviet tank. I more or less went with a camo scheme similar to the full-sized MiG. I coulndít find any pics indicating a ďproperĒ scheme. Bare metal? Overall grey/blue?  Camouflaged? It seemed all options were used at some point, so I went with the option I liked best. Was there a standard? And were wing tanks painted differently from belly tanks? Next up are two Bulgarian tanks. Donít know which one Iíll take. Looks like they used both. Much like the full-sized MiGs, there seems to be no standard as far as camo schemes go. But they often look pretty weathered and beaten up.
The overall metal tank will go on the Egyptian MiG.

ChernayaAkula-Edu72Fishbedx57 by Motschke, on Flickr

Thatís what I have pictures of. Will have to re-shoot some of the camo colours on the Soviet MiG. The other three have been stencilled. A hundred stencils each? Two hundred? Closer to the latter, I think. Took ages Ė one night for fuselage, one night for wings and pylons -, but was strangely relaxing.  :icon_meditation:
Will also have to paint some of the smaller antennae bits and then itís time to seal in the decals. Then itís on to the weathering.
Hope the next update wonít take another six months.  :P
Cheers,
Moritz

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