Author Topic: Martin Maryland and/or Baltimore  (Read 6419 times)

Offline Daryl J.

  • Assures us he rarely uses model glue in dentistry
Martin Maryland and/or Baltimore
« on: February 10, 2012, 12:22:28 PM »
British Maryland utilizing the same underwing cannon as the Hurricane IID with either two under each wing, or if that is impossible, one under each wing and either two or three in as small a pod as possible directly beneath the bomb bay which would be converted for shell storage.    Middlestone/Dark Earth/etc.   

Attack the Panzers in N. Africa!     


Gun nosed Maryland, say 20mm's, and USAF SEA Vietnam.

Coastal Command with depth charges in the bomb bay and rockets underwing.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2012, 12:24:12 PM by Daryl J. »
kwyxdxLg5T

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Martin Maryland and/or Baltimore
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2012, 03:03:13 AM »
Like all the suggestions.

Another one:  RAAF, in these schemes:



Or maybe a floatplane...
« Last Edit: February 11, 2012, 03:04:56 AM by GTX_Admin »
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline sequoiaranger

  • Gone but not forgotten. He already has a team of angels working up his bench in the sky!
  • Holding Pattern
  • *
  • E Pluribus Unum (modeling style)
Twin-forties in the nose??
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2012, 07:42:06 AM »
I suggest rather than in the wings (too far outboard), place the twin S-guns in the nose....

Here is something I made that LOOKS kinda like a 1/72 Baltimore with twin forties over-and-under in a "solid" nose, but actually it's a scale-o-rama 1/100 Hampden plus "stuff".


« Last Edit: February 11, 2012, 07:44:42 AM by sequoiaranger »
My mind is like a compost heap--fertile AND rotten!

Offline jcf

  • Global Moderator
  • Turn that Gila-copter down!
Re: Martin Maryland and/or Baltimore
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2012, 02:57:02 PM »
I'd say that realistically the Martin 167 forward fuselage was probably too small for a twin S-gun installation, plus you'd choke the pilot on the cordite fumes.
 ;)

“Conspiracy theory’s got to be simple.
Sense doesn’t come into it. People are
more scared of how complicated shit
actually is than they ever are about
whatever’s supposed to be behind the
conspiracy.”
-The Peripheral, William Gibson 2014

Offline elmayerle

  • Its about time there was an Avatar shown here...
  • Über Engineer...at least that is what he tells us.
Re: Martin Maryland and/or Baltimore
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2012, 03:22:56 PM »
Hmm, a multiple (2 or more) S-gun pallet replacing the bomb bay doors with ammo in the bomb bay (well, it would *still* be a weapons bay) plus four or five rocket rails per side outboard of the prop disks?  Perhaps adding a larger, crew-served, weapon in the nose?

Offline Daryl J.

  • Assures us he rarely uses model glue in dentistry
Re: Martin Maryland and/or Baltimore
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2012, 03:53:09 AM »
Could a firewall be installed in front of the pilot to keep the smoke out  or was the second pilot mandatory? 
kwyxdxLg5T

Offline jcf

  • Global Moderator
  • Turn that Gila-copter down!
Re: Martin Maryland and/or Baltimore
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2012, 07:24:57 AM »
Great coverage on the Martin XA-22 at the USAF Museum site, including 15 great photos:
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=3011
“Conspiracy theory’s got to be simple.
Sense doesn’t come into it. People are
more scared of how complicated shit
actually is than they ever are about
whatever’s supposed to be behind the
conspiracy.”
-The Peripheral, William Gibson 2014

Offline Daryl J.

  • Assures us he rarely uses model glue in dentistry
Re: Martin Maryland and/or Baltimore
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2012, 07:29:01 AM »
Thanks.  :)
kwyxdxLg5T

Offline sequoiaranger

  • Gone but not forgotten. He already has a team of angels working up his bench in the sky!
  • Holding Pattern
  • *
  • E Pluribus Unum (modeling style)
Martin XA22 and/or 167 Maryland
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2012, 08:03:27 AM »
The website/photos were great! I noticed the top turret was "retractable" and a sliding door could close over it. I guess the actual production military version did away with that sliding door??

Also--discovered that only ONE pilot in WW II became an ace flying "bombers"--yes, it was in a Martin 167!!!
« Last Edit: February 14, 2012, 08:10:44 AM by sequoiaranger »
My mind is like a compost heap--fertile AND rotten!

Offline jcf

  • Global Moderator
  • Turn that Gila-copter down!
Re: Martin XA22 and/or 167 Maryland
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2012, 02:04:47 PM »
The website/photos were great! I noticed the top turret was "retractable" and a sliding door could close over it. I guess the actual production military version did away with that sliding door??

Also--discovered that only ONE pilot in WW II became an ace flying "bombers"--yes, it was in a Martin 167!!!

Hi Craig,
if you look closely at the centreline drawing you'll see that the turret hinged down and aft
when retracted. The production versions had a more conventional position.

BTW, the chief designer on the Model 167 was James S. McDonnell.

Jon
“Conspiracy theory’s got to be simple.
Sense doesn’t come into it. People are
more scared of how complicated shit
actually is than they ever are about
whatever’s supposed to be behind the
conspiracy.”
-The Peripheral, William Gibson 2014

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Martin Maryland and/or Baltimore
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2012, 12:41:39 PM »
Definitely like the idea of solid nosed variants of either with lots of machine guns.
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline jcf

  • Global Moderator
  • Turn that Gila-copter down!
Re: Martin Maryland and/or Baltimore
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2012, 12:54:42 PM »
Real-world Baltimore proposals (text only no illustrations):
USAAF XA-23, R-3350 engines;
Anti-shipping, stretched fuselage incorporating increased fuel tankage and internal torpedo bay;
Multi-gun solid-nose ground attack;
Heavy long-range fighter.

 :icon_fsm:
“Conspiracy theory’s got to be simple.
Sense doesn’t come into it. People are
more scared of how complicated shit
actually is than they ever are about
whatever’s supposed to be behind the
conspiracy.”
-The Peripheral, William Gibson 2014