Author Topic: Norsu Heavy APC (M113 / Centurion kitbash)  (Read 862 times)

Offline Twiddle

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Norsu Heavy APC (M113 / Centurion kitbash)
« on: September 15, 2018, 11:41:49 PM »
Tamiya Centurion / Academy ACAV kitbash

Centurion hull widened



Centurion hull front



Hull rear

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Re: Norsu Heavy APC (M113 / Centurion kitbash)
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2018, 02:28:43 AM »
Looks like it's off to a good start.  Let's see what develops.

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Re: Norsu Heavy APC (M113 / Centurion kitbash)
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2018, 06:58:33 AM »
Looks like a good start. I want to do something similar with an old Tamiya T-62

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Re: Norsu Heavy APC (M113 / Centurion kitbash)
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2018, 05:39:25 PM »
 :smiley:
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Offline Twiddle

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Re: Norsu Heavy APC (M113 / Centurion kitbash)
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2018, 10:55:12 PM »
A thought on the interior layout



Above is not to scale

10 pax + Driver + Gunner + Commander.

Enough interior storage for the gear and equipment for the 10 troops

Not that I am doing the interior but however I still need to apply a bit of realism ?
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Re: Norsu Heavy APC (M113 / Centurion kitbash)
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2018, 06:29:35 PM »
Pax 6 looks to be in a position which would interfere with the ingress/egress of the commander, gunner & Pax 1, at least, to me. So maybe a 9 troop carry? ???
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Re: Norsu Heavy APC (M113 / Centurion kitbash)
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2018, 08:47:38 PM »
Very nice. Definitely watching with interest.   :))
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Offline Story

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Re: Norsu Heavy APC (M113 / Centurion kitbash)
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2018, 11:21:52 AM »
Depending on the neverwhen for which you're planning this build*, consider the LVTP-7 turret with either the .50 M85 or the dual .50 M2/40mm Mk 19.

http://www.armorama.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=198135

This should give you an idea for planning considerations on what the heavier turrets require.


* Oh, duh - Finnish World of Tanks clan. 
« Last Edit: September 19, 2018, 11:25:30 AM by Story »

Offline Twiddle

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Re: Norsu Heavy APC (M113 / Centurion kitbash)
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2018, 04:16:53 AM »
Some progress tonight - at least it's night time in my part of the world :) !

Hull sides initial work done. PSR to follow tomorrow

Right hand side



Above rectangle indicates where the exhaust (Leo 1 tank in stash) will be mounted

Left hand side



I recycled the M113 side panels and pieces of the M113 flooring for above - styrene was more or less perfect thickness

It might be argued that the height will make the hull an easy target (again realism creeps in ....)

However that will be addressed tomorrow ....

Thanks for making BtS so great  :smiley:
« Last Edit: September 21, 2018, 04:23:48 AM by Twiddle »
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Re: Norsu Heavy APC (M113 / Centurion kitbash)
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2018, 07:17:27 AM »
That's some yeoman's work your doing there!

Watching with interest,
Brian da Basher

Offline Old Wombat

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Re: Norsu Heavy APC (M113 / Centurion kitbash)
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2018, 09:09:31 AM »
It might be argued that the height will make the hull an easy target (again realism creeps in ....)

APC's are tall, it comes with the role & the fact that most people aren't 4' (120cm) tall (4' short?).

Even most of the big modern APC's are pretty cosy & limited in head-space, as much of the size increase is comprised of better armour & improved-survivability design features (including better ground clearance). Whilst passenger comfort is important for combat effectiveness of the troops, that can be kept quite low, when they're sitting, but effects the width of the vehicle, often making them wider for greater leg room. However, the egress & entry of the troops requires a minimum height, so they can get in & out sufficiently quickly so as not to expose the APC to excessively long times as a stationary target.

I'm sure military vehicle designers have come up with an optimal compromise but at 6' 21/2" (190cm) I'm fairly sure I'd still feel a bit crowded by the roof.
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Offline tankmodeler

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Re: Norsu Heavy APC (M113 / Centurion kitbash)
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2018, 10:41:55 PM »
Looking very interesting so far.

Something to consider is that with the engine in the front, the drive sprockets need to be in the front as well. The power pack is a combined engine transmission and you don't want a drive shaft running though the crew compartment if you don't have to.

A total of 13 passengers is quite large for an APC so your idea that the side height might be a bit tall are not out of line. "in real life" (tm) with the extra width of the hull, the plan might be to sit the passengers a bit lower and drop the side wall height. Just a thought.

Also note that by running the armoured walls upwards from the hull sides and not extending them outward from the edge of the fender line, as the M113 and most APCs do, you are forgoing a lot of interior volume that the crew might really need. Now, a good use of the exterior wall space might be for both external stowage boxes, providing shaped charge stand-off distance, and as external armoured fuel tanks which also provide HEAT stand-off and get the fuel out of the passenger compartment maximising passenger numbers.

Just some thoughts.

Looking forward to this.

Paul

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Re: Norsu Heavy APC (M113 / Centurion kitbash)
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2018, 10:47:54 AM »
Lot of widening plastic surgery.  Nice,,, keep posting.

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Re: Norsu Heavy APC (M113 / Centurion kitbash)
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2018, 12:31:58 AM »
Kit bashing 113 and Centurion...gobs of white p-card...what's not to love!! :-*


Offline Twiddle

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Re: Norsu Heavy APC (M113 / Centurion kitbash)
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2018, 02:21:26 PM »
Prep work for the side sponsons (correct word?) more or less sorted

Left



Right



Below is what I want to achieve with the sides . Not drawn to scale



Tinkering with the idea to add some vision blocks for the interior seated infantry ....
« Last Edit: September 24, 2018, 02:23:12 PM by Twiddle »
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