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Offline M.A.D

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Re: Riverine etc. ...
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2016, 10:40:07 AM »
Actually, Im really becoming intrigued and impressed with these Romanian river patrol monitor designs!
I think I will be able to incorporate them in my 'Alternative ADF ORBAT' (Scenario II)!!

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Offline Volkodav

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« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2016, 04:25:06 PM »
Operated by 32 Small Ships Squadron RAE?

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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2016, 04:59:07 AM »
Operated by 32 Small Ships Squadron RAE?

Yeah Volkodav, RAN would love that!

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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2016, 12:04:46 PM »
Just make sure they have enough Corvettes to train up their junior commanders and they wont give a stuff.  The Patrol Monitors would be a great escort and support element for the LSM MkIIs.

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« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2016, 12:38:47 PM »
Ookaay, so where exactly would Australia use something like this?  ???

They make sense for Romania; the Danube is a big river, shared borders with potential adversaries, etc.,
plus there is a history of river monitor use in the region going back to the mid 19th century.
"Danube River Flotilla: Established in 1860, the Romanian flotilla's primary missions were to prevent invading troops from crossing the Danube into Romanian territory and maintain the waterway as a supply and communications channel.The Flotilla was reestablished in 1995 and is responsible for border patrol, counter-proliferation, and crisis support."
http://www.amiinter.com/pdf/The%20Modernization%20of%20the%20Romainan%20Navy.pdf

The MLRS are BM-21 122mm rocket launchers.

BTW they have a slightly larger class as well:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihail_Kogălniceanu-class_river_monitor

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Re: Riverine etc. ...
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2016, 02:09:41 PM »
To patrol the east coast river systems in New South Wales as well as the Murray Darling system to counter dipsticks emptying their septic tanks into Sydney's drinking water and to stop the idiots who think draining rivers to irrigate rice and cotton crops in arid regions is a good idea.  You wouldn't believe how well armed and aggressive some of these farmers and holiday shack owners are.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/vile-giardia-bug-in-sydney-water/story-e6freuzi-1111113844198

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« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2016, 02:15:09 PM »
On a more serious note they would have historically been useful in littoral operations around Australia's north and when we were more active in the region.  The difficulty of course would have been deploying them to where they were needed but then again it has been done before in WWII through to the confrontation and Vietnam conflict.  This day and they would be of very limited utility and likely armed / armoured landing craft may have been better suited is some sort of gunboat was required.

These craft are not dissimilar to the ACPBs of the RAN that I am intimately familiar with, but obviously much better armed and I would assume much more durable and survivable.  Remove the EEZ patrol function from the RANs PBs and role them as inshore and riverine PBs, only transiting open waters when safe to do so and seakeeping and speed becomes less important.  Hark back to the Kamerian / Mussurian insurgencies and a variety of ship to shore armaments could be justified to provide support for landing parties, i.e. previous generations of patrol boats were also armed with mortars.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2016, 02:23:15 PM by Volkodav »

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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2016, 03:01:00 PM »
The Romanian boats are impressive, but their length limits them to broad waterways.

Well, maybe something more Victorian/Edwardian with a steam-punkish vibe, paddle-steamers with tesla cannon,
or on a straighter more RW theme, modern paddle-wheelers with diesel-electric drive, or turbine electric, paddle-housings
armoured like a few of the USN Civil War period boats. ;D


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Heck, go Mad Max on the waterways in a post-apocalyptic scenario.  ;D
« Last Edit: November 26, 2016, 11:01:35 AM by jcf »
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« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2016, 04:40:24 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2016, 06:54:24 PM »

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« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2016, 08:05:07 PM »
Probably worth upgrading and returning to service  ;)

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« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2016, 05:38:02 AM »
One can actually get a model of the HMVS Cerebus.  See here
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« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2016, 04:20:38 AM »
There is always this one that I found on DA sometime ago.

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« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2016, 08:05:59 AM »
or......

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« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2016, 01:47:16 AM »
What timeframe?

I came up with some plans for some small gunboats for my "Fury on the Lakes" 1/600 miniatures line, where the US and Canada fight on the Great lakes in WW1. Here is a US 56' armored gunboat



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