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M2/M3 Bradley IFV/CFV
« on: July 07, 2014, 03:42:33 AM »
A thread for all things Bradley related.  As a former Bradley crew member it has always held a soft spot for me as maligned as it is. 

So my thought for a modification is to go with the BUSK hull up armoring.  Remove the turret and armor plate that area.  Install a heavy remote weapons system that can handle up to the 30mm Bushmaster II.  Alternately it could mount an Ma Deuce or a Mk 19.   Have a mix of all 3 weapons in a platoon for variety.  Put the gunner in the hull next to the RCWS mounting and put a hatch behind the driver for the vehicle commander since the dismount position behind the driver was almost impossible to get out of in a hurry when dismounting.  It would drop a whole hell of a lot of weight which could be used for up armoring.  You could also increase the fuel capacity since the tank is on the right side of the vehicle which would now have some free space with the removal of the turret.   
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Re: M2/M3 Bradley IFV/CFV
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2014, 08:29:57 AM »
what if the IDF had accepted the Bradley ? ......


my model from last year ...

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Re: M2/M3 Bradley IFV/CFV
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2014, 08:34:54 AM »
high-top variant for comms or ambulance ....
comms type with box-armour & Stryker-style RWS in Afghanistan ....

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Re: M2/M3 Bradley IFV/CFV
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2014, 08:36:02 AM »
ADATS version ....

Infantry-Support type with recoilless rifles ?? ....

and another version of the apc with gun-station shields
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Re: M2/M3 Bradley IFV/CFV
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2014, 09:57:00 AM »
So my thought for a modification is to go with the BUSK hull up armoring.  Remove the turret and armor plate that area.  Install a heavy remote weapons system that can handle up to the 30mm Bushmaster II.


As you wish:





That's a Bradley with the Rafael Samson RCWS with 30mm Bushmaster II. Here's a variant that actually entered service, but still seems to be little-known. It's the M6 Linebacker with four Stingers instead of TOWs.



And here are some more turretless variants. Some medical, some command, some APC.









Cheers,

Logan

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Re: M2/M3 Bradley IFV/CFV
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2014, 10:12:21 AM »
Those are great raafif and Logan! 

I was hoping that you would post your IDF variant raafif since the pictures are no longer available in the thread.  I do like how you extended the exhaust down low to decrease the IR signature I am guessing.

Logan, I knew about the Linebacker AA version but not the Rafael one.  I am going to have to do more research on that one.  I don't suppose anyone does a 1/35 version of that one?  Is the box Spike AT missiles by chance?  This is what I was actually picturing. 
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Re: M2/M3 Bradley IFV/CFV
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2014, 11:11:08 AM »
I was hoping that you would post your IDF variant raafif since the pictures are no longer available in the thread.  I do like how you extended the exhaust down low to decrease the IR signature I am guessing.

The Israelis do that to keep the exhaust out of the faces of the crew.  They did it on their M113s and it was one of the most sensible mods ever done on that vehicle IMO.

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Re: M2/M3 Bradley IFV/CFV
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2014, 10:04:27 PM »
half Bradley / half Stryker


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Re: M2/M3 Bradley IFV/CFV
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2014, 04:00:13 AM »
I watched that build with interest Gingie.  I was very impressed with how well it matched up and a great looking design you put together.

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Re: M2/M3 Bradley IFV/CFV
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2014, 04:09:49 AM »
Logan, I knew about the Linebacker AA version but not the Rafael one.  I am going to have to do more research on that one.  I don't suppose anyone does a 1/35 version of that one?  Is the box Spike AT missiles by chance?  This is what I was actually picturing.

Those are indeed Spike missiles. I'm sure nobody does a kit of that at the moment, though. It's tough to even find pictures of it. I was surprised Rafael got its hands on a Bradley chassis to play with like that. Those aren't cheap.

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Re: M2/M3 Bradley IFV/CFV
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2014, 08:05:27 AM »
It would be in BAE's interest to allow Rafael to produce an upgrade to the Bradley with Spike missiles to increase the likelihood of sales of the Bradley.  As many nations now use Spike, it is an incentive to them to utilise the Bradley as their IFV if it already can use Spike.  All the R&D is done and paid for.

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Re: M2/M3 Bradley IFV/CFV
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2014, 08:55:19 AM »
That is a good point Rickshaw.  Though the competition is pretty stiff with designs like the CV90 and Puma out there. 

I will definitely have to keep my eye out for a 1/35 scale Rafael Samson 30 mm RCWS.

I could also always go with a Puma.  I am also looking at MTB's to turn into HAPCs besides the Achzarit/T-55 and Merkava/Namer designs.  I know the Russians have a version of their own as do the Serbians I believe it is.  Something that can keep up with the current batch of MTBs.  Though the last is a subject for another topic me thinks. 

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Re: M2/M3 Bradley IFV/CFV
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2014, 10:58:43 AM »
  I am also looking at MTB's to turn into HAPCs...   Something that can keep up with the current batch of MTBs.


I like the idea of a PzH 2000 HAPC....

http://www.casr.ca/mp-army-combat-systems-hiav.htm

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Re: M2/M3 Bradley IFV/CFV
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2014, 11:24:19 AM »
That is a nice find!  And a good choice as well.  It could in fact be done to any of the currently in service SPGs.  Provide it with a RCWS and off you go.

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Re: M2/M3 Bradley IFV/CFV
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2014, 02:08:46 PM »
That is a good point Rickshaw.  Though the competition is pretty stiff with designs like the CV90 and Puma out there. 

I will definitely have to keep my eye out for a 1/35 scale Rafael Samson 30 mm RCWS.

I could also always go with a Puma.  I am also looking at MTB's to turn into HAPCs besides the Achzarit/T-55 and Merkava/Namer designs.  I know the Russians have a version of their own as do the Serbians I believe it is.  Something that can keep up with the current batch of MTBs.  Though the last is a subject for another topic me thinks.


Jordan has IMO built the best thought out conversion in the Temsah.  A Centurion which has been turned around and now drives backwards, with the troop compartment where the former fighting compartment was and a ramp where the glacis was.  It means you don't have to chutes or the passengers exiting over the side.