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B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
« on: January 19, 2012, 06:09:05 PM »
B-36 racing

Going on beyond the piston engine fighter race planes that have been racing since post WW2.
During the early 1960s there could have become a class dedicated to B-36 race planes !
Last flight of one was in 1959.  Beginning 1960, buy surplus and modify for racing.
Imagine them doing pylons like at Reno only the course is longer by X miles with multiple locations for viewing.
Or,,,  they race New York to LA  or  Miami to Seattle.
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Re: B-36 racing
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2012, 06:40:42 PM »
Or, you could use the B-36 as an airborne pit stop for smaller racing aircraft :^)
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Re: B-36 racing
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2012, 07:22:05 PM »
Going on beyond the piston engine fighter race planes that have been racing since post WW2.
During the early 1960s there could have become a class dedicated to B-36 race planes !
Last flight of one was in 1959.  Beginning 1960, buy surplus and modify for racing.
Imagine them doing pylons like at Reno only the course is longer by X miles with multiple locations for viewing.
Or,,,  they race New York to LA  or  Miami to Seattle.

  At treetop level!

 Followed by the speed - heavy class with B-58's and Vulcans.

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Re: B-36 racing
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2012, 06:15:02 AM »
Qualifying aircraft must be powered by no fewer than 6 engines producing no less than 20,000 hp or its thrust equivalent and must weigh no less than 50 tons.  Something like that for a "B-36 class"?

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Re: B-36 racing
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2012, 06:56:56 AM »
Would be a significant weight reduction figuring first the USAF removes:  guns, turrets, ammo feeds, gun sights, tail gun radar, main radar & computer (heavy vacuum tube monster as I recall is around 5000lbs), optical bomb sight/system, bomb racks, and whatever else enables it to be a "bomber".
Purchaser can remove stuff like:  cooling system for that vacuum tube monster,  many wire bundles that went to mission equipment, the big generators that produced power for mission equipment (replace with smaller/lighter), accomodations for a full crew, replace gunner blisters with flat (less drag) viewing windows, replace radome on bottom with flat pannel, as obvious items and must be more......
Considering B-36 is designed to carry all the above + fuel + up to 86,000lbs bombs + 20mm ammo  --- at this point it is hotter than any USAF B-36 ever flown.

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Re: B-36 racing
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2012, 07:53:58 AM »
And keep everyone just up in the greenhouse and dispense with the "tunnel" through the bomb bay. Fair over the nose tip greenhouse.

As long as the tail turret is gone....

Stick a J-58 back there !

Do like the racing Mustangs and crop the wingtips, extending the vertical tail.

Just remember that the airfoil will probably vibrate like a guitar string near mach one. 600 mph might be tops. Bet that much metal moving at that speed would make a sound like no other.

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Re: B-36 racing
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2012, 08:37:45 AM »
OH YEA - low level cross country would make for AWESOME spectating !!!  Perhaps 2500ft - 5000ft max above ground.  Love to be there.
Sound! - OMG - like a 100 full throttle freight trains approaching and leaving ???
Engines - right, (rules to enter race) six props (heck - it is a B-36) and option to add up to four jets of owners choice (heck - it is a B-36).

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Re: B-36 racing
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2012, 11:44:15 AM »
THIS.  THREAD.  IS.  AWESOME.

I say find a bunch of 1/144 kits(is there a 1/200 version?) and go for GROUP BUILD!!!  I'm all in!  :icon_ninja:

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Re: B-36 racing
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2012, 12:04:13 PM »
What makes you think it didn't already happen...

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Re: B-36 racing
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2012, 12:31:12 PM »
The B-36 was considered overpowered as it was.  Imagine stripping it down, too.  Later variants could have YB-60-style swept wings.  You could use T56, Tyne, or even T34 turboprops to replace the R-4360s.

Engines - right, (rules to enter race) six props (heck - it is a B-36) and option to add up to four jets of owners choice (heck - it is a B-36).


I don't know, I think the entrants could be kind of visually boring if you limited it that much.  My suggestion was below:

Qualifying aircraft must be powered by no fewer than 6 engines producing no less than 20,000 hp or its thrust equivalent and must weigh no less than 50 tons.


Maybe with an addendum?  No less than 50% of full power must be produced by propellers (to keep it from going all-jet).

Just remember that the airfoil will probably vibrate like a guitar string near mach one. 600 mph might be tops. Bet that much metal moving at that speed would make a sound like no other.


Not at low level, unfortunately.  The main thing holding that plane back was the wing, moreso than the weight or the power.  It always had more than enough power (even with 10 engines total, it cruise on four R-4360s for extra endurance).  Rake the tail, clip the wings (or even better, replace and sweep them), replace the nose with a sleeker, NB-36H-style nose, give it some more thrust, and you could get it going pretty good.



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Logan

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Re: B-36 racing
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2012, 02:50:31 PM »
Replace the R4360s with P&W T57 engines (turboprop version of the J57, intended for the stillborn C-132) with something like 10,000 shp rating.  Blend with the wings and tail of the YB-60 and a more streamlined nose (either that proposed for the production B-60 or something like the NB-60H nose shown above) to produce quite the moving experience.

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Re: B-36 racing
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2012, 12:46:11 PM »
I suppose the NB-36H is in the "Endurance Race"....I'll show my self out....
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Re: B-36 racing
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2012, 08:09:53 PM »
Of course, the cool factor would be increased exponentially with contraprops.

I understand that when the Tupolev Bear had all it's props going that it vibrated the air for a fair distance all around and could actually make people nearby feel physically ill from the effect.

Can you imagine what a B-36 with four jets and six contraprops could do going past?
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Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2012, 03:55:00 AM »
Well there was a turboprop variant (or sorts - actually the VDT which doesn't use a Gas turbine per sae) - the B-36C:




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P.S. I have renamed this thread to "B-36 Ideas & Inspiration" so as to encompass all B-36 ideas, not just the racing ones...despite how cool that it.
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Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2012, 06:12:18 PM »
I was aware of the B-36C concept, but putting the props out in front of the wings just took so much of the cool factor out of the beast. :o
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