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F-117 Ideas and Inspiration
« on: January 13, 2012, 04:07:06 PM »
One of the nice things about being an instructor during my time under the flag was the evening drinks at the AFB's bar with officers. During the day we'd teach them English, and in the evening, they would buy us a drink and tell a few stories that were not necessarily all meant to be publicized. Here is one of them.

Although the US would probably never admit to it, a French Air Force officer who was then based in Spain claimed that during the 1986 Libyan episode he had seen a secret aircraft be unloaded from a Lockheed Galaxy and remain shrouded for possible use. Apparently, he heard that it was a secret aircraft being readied for a possible quick strike over Libya. Eventually only F-14s were used in the blitzkrieg. I do not claim that he was a 100% reliable source (not having seen the aircraft uncovered) but one can imagine that the F-117 could have been used as a means to raid command posts if the conflict turned sour. The said officer also claimed that the sortie didn't happen to preserve the secrecy of the F-117 for a little while longer. I'd venture the notion that, not being combat-proven yet, and knowing the connections between Libya and the Soviet Union, the risk of losing the F-117 and venting out the stealth technology must have been deemed too high a risk (IF, and only IF, the story is true of course).

Re: F-117 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2012, 08:16:56 PM »
^ Now that opens up all sorts of what if possibilities! Would 3 years be enough for the USSR to reverse-engineer a F-117? Probably not but maybe the attempt is what drove the Soviets bankrupt!  :icon_ninja:

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Re: F-117 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2012, 05:15:31 AM »
Hmm..reverse engineered F-117...interesting.  Given that some of the original mathematics behind the radar evasiveness was from a soviet scientist (Pyotr Ufimtsev), one might develop a scenario.  Maybe have someone else such as China or even Iran do it...but do it crudely - e.g. maybe a F-117 but with normal exhaust nozzles or similar?

Alternatively, maybe base the reverse engineered F-117 more on Northrop's competitor:



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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2012, 06:14:59 AM »
... or a side-by-side A-6 type two-seater based on an enlarged Facetmobile.  ;D



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Re: F-117 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2012, 09:20:21 AM »
Oooo...that could work.  Either in paper or even plastic (using the paper model plans as a template for a scratch build). 

Convert it to jet and make it a stealth carrier replacement/compliment for the A-6 prior to the A-12.

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Re: F-117 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2014, 01:07:51 PM »
Thread revival:  how about a uninhibited F-117 derived UCAV?
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Re: F-117 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2014, 01:10:02 PM »
Or perhaps an Israeli F-117?  I wouldn't do this one in an Israeli camo scheme but rather keep the all black scheme and simply put own some low viz Israeli markings...speaking of which, does anyone do such?
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Re: F-117 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2014, 07:17:57 PM »
It'd look great in normal IDF camo too.

After all the first F-117 came out in a camo scheme before they adopted the all-black idea.
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Re: F-117 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2014, 08:37:58 PM »
I've got the two-tone grey 1/72 Airfix boxing in the stash --- plus I've got a Revell 1/72 one built

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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2014, 04:04:55 AM »
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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2015, 07:13:41 AM »
Thread revival:  how about a uninhibited F-117 derived UCAV?

Did that with a friend's Academy kit in 2006 or so! Albeit with canards and relocated vertical stabilisers.

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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2015, 09:03:58 AM »
Cool. Looks like lifting body when viewed from above.
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Re: F-117 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2016, 10:45:53 AM »
Bump! Any other F-117 ideas? Tempted to do an RAF F-117C based on this image found at another forum, but darker or black:
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Re: F-117 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2016, 02:39:35 AM »
I have an Israeli one planned
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Re: F-117 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2016, 04:22:33 AM »
That makes sense. There's an experimental camo one of the real ones wore which looks like an IAF machine.
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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2016, 05:10:48 AM »
This is another model that every time I see it I think of some sort of segmented bug.  An odd combo of a sting ray and a crustacean.
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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2016, 02:18:40 AM »
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Re: F-117 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2016, 02:23:10 AM »
That makes sense. There's an experimental camo one of the real ones wore which looks like an IAF machine.

Mine will still be all black but with low observable IDF markings...all very hush, hush... ;)
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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2016, 03:54:22 AM »
TT - they did mention recently the Reds will get new aircraft...and the US Government seems to be looking at shifting the F-117A fleet from hangars to the boneyard....

Greg - That's what I'm thinking with my RAF concept, it's just the markings that will be a problem.
Here's the IDF-looking one I mentioned:
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Re: F-117 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2016, 03:57:21 AM »
it's just the markings that will be a problem.


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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2016, 10:58:25 AM »
I need to find lo-viz RAF markings! Any ideas?
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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2016, 11:32:51 AM »
I need to find lo-viz RAF markings! Any ideas?
Is there an F-35 kit that has them?  How about the standard Typhoon camo and markings?

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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2016, 10:23:51 PM »
I need to find lo-viz RAF markings! Any ideas?
Is there an F-35 kit that has them?  How about the standard Typhoon camo and markings?
What scale? I have the 1/48 F-35B and I believe it has low-vis markings for a number of nations.

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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2016, 02:54:06 AM »
I need to find lo-viz RAF markings! Any ideas?
Is there an F-35 kit that has them?  How about the standard Typhoon camo and markings?

The F-35 option is what I was thinking too.  Caracal does sets in both 1/72 and 1/48 that include RAF options.  That would be the best in my view.
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Re: F-117 Ideas and Inspiration
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