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Offline Tophe

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #700 on: December 27, 2012, 09:58:48 AM »
Apophenia, I love your PCV model...
Just a question, as your French seems so perfect: are you a French man joking with the famous PCV letters? (see http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCV_(t%C3%A9l%C3%A9phonie) ). In France this is very famous for phone calls paid by the receiver. I prefer your own PCV, nicer... ;)

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #701 on: December 27, 2012, 05:01:52 PM »
Those M521 profiles are all great! Looks like a real sports car.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #702 on: December 30, 2012, 12:17:40 PM »
Apophenia, I love your PCV model...
Just a question, as your French seems so perfect: are you a French man joking with the famous PCV letters? (see http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCV_(t%C3%A9l%C3%A9phonie) ). In France this is very famous for phone calls paid by the receiver. I prefer your own PCV, nicer... ;)


Thanks Tophe, that's hilarious. And it's even better, in Québec, it's AFV (appel à frais virés not Armoured Fighting Vehicle)  ;D

As for my 'perfect' French, former teachers would either find that equally hilarious or just running shrieking with despair  ;)
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #703 on: January 01, 2013, 12:52:28 PM »
The next D.520 instalment. The SNCAM M.520C was a pylon racer meant to showcase Midi at the 1946 National Air Races in Cleveland. The M.520C started well but had to retire due to ignition problems with its HS.12Z-150 engine. Hispano-Suiza promised a new powerplant based on the HS.12Z-89 for the 1947 race season but this engine never appeared.

The HM.781 ACS was a less ambitious racer meant to train French pilots for post-war Schneider Cup races. The aircraft was essentially a rebuilt D.520 airframe matched to the floats of the pre-war HD.780 (with lengthed pylons containing coolant radiators). Alas, the Coupe Schneider was not resumed and no dedicated French racing seaplane was designed. The unmarked HM.781 was transferred to the Aéronavale. It was to be rebuilt with a bubble canopy but was badly damaged in a heavy landing before that could occur.
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Offline Logan Hartke

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #704 on: January 01, 2013, 02:25:05 PM »
Those are gorgeous apophenia!  I think they're my favorites of the recent French birds.

Cheers,

Logan

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #705 on: January 01, 2013, 06:39:42 PM »
Beautiful addition!

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #706 on: January 03, 2013, 06:37:09 PM »
Now that M.520C racer is pure WHIFF porn!  :-*
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #707 on: January 05, 2013, 09:50:02 AM »
Thanks folks. The following are likely the last of my belaboured Dewoitine musings ...

After proving the prone-pilot concept, the AE-PCV testbed (see post #701) was rebuilt as the M.520TP (Turbo-Propulseur) to flight test the new SNECMA-Rateau TB.1000 turboprop engine. The goal was to demonstrate the main powerplant installation for a proposed SNCAM 'Propulsion Mixte' attack aircraft to Aéronavale's 1947 specification. This  M.900PM (intended for new PA28 carriers) would have a nose-nosed TB.1000 producing 1450 shp for take-off plus 570  lbs of thrust. This was boosted by a tail-mounted Atar R.102 Hestia turbojet producing another 2,500 lbs of thrust.

The M.900PM's turboprop installation was a complete success but the TB.1000 engine proved capable of only 1240 shp (+550 lb.st) and as little as 940 shp (+ 190 lb.st) at cruising speed. While there was hope for performance improvements from the TB.1000 turboprop, SNECMA elected to concentrate on its larger Atar R.101 turbojet and to stop further development of the R.102 Hestia. That brought the planned M.900PM to a halt, Aéronavale choosing rival designs from Breguet and Nord-Aviation instead.

In the meantime. SNCAM had developed a straightforward turbojet derivative of the D.520 incorporating the AE-PCV prone-pilot position. The M.780 was intended as a simple, rough-field attack aircraft. D.520 wings were retained as was the tail arrangement from the M.521V. Power was to be provided by a single Atar R.100 an improved SNECMA variant of the wartime BMW 003 turbojet. The M.780 did not especially interest the AdlA -- the armament choice of  four smaller Matra MG 151 20mm cannons being one cause for concern. But it was a moot point since SNECMA would  soon cancel its R.100 to focus on Atar R.101 development.

For those keeping record, the SNECMA-Rateau TB.1000 turboprop was real (although it was eclipsed by the AS Mamba) as was the contest for a new attack aircraft for PA28 carriers. The latter led to the Breguet Br.960 Vultur prototypes (which, although unsuccessful, inspired the ASW Alizé). Other than the Atar 101, the turbojets are pure whif -- SNECMA's work sprang from the BMW 003 but, AFAIK, they had no intention of actually producing the German type. The 'R.102 Hestia' was, of course, inspired by the later RW Atar R.105 Vesta, a reduced-scale Atar 101.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #708 on: January 14, 2013, 09:22:29 AM »
I've been playing with an AltHist notion where Airbus Industrie aligns itself with elements  of the Russian/CIS aircraft industry in the early-mid '90s. The result was Airbus Rus.

The first products from the Airbus Rus consortium were traded-in A300s and A310s rebuilt to  suit Russian operating conditions. This led to the A300R and A310R models fitted with
Lotarev/Ivchenko-Progress D-18T engines.

Work on domestic aircraft began with the westernization of Ilyushin Il-76 military transports. For the civilian cargo market, Airbus Rus concentrated on adapting the Il-76 airframe to twin high-bypass turbofan engines. The object was greater fuel efficiency and simplified maintenance. Prototype testbeds were designated AR76x.

For the western market, the powerplants would be GE CF6-45s and '50s or P&W JT9D-7Rs (initially 'recycled' from the A300R/A310R conversion program). For the domestic Russian
and CIS markets, the powerplant would be D-18T (shown here).
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #709 on: January 15, 2013, 01:09:56 AM »
Love it!  :-*
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #710 on: January 15, 2013, 02:39:56 AM »
Interesting concept.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #711 on: January 15, 2013, 03:26:31 AM »
Looks a bit like a Kawasaki C-1 on steroids.

Cool stuff! :)
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #712 on: January 15, 2013, 08:13:51 AM »
makes you wonder about a similar update to C-141B's with two of the same engines going into the C-5M.  Mind you, I had considered an upgraded C-141B using 4XCFM56 engines and with a mod forward of the refueling receptacle to add a probe allowing use of any tanker aircraft out there.

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #713 on: January 15, 2013, 05:57:25 PM »
makes you wonder about a similar update to C-141B's with two of the same engines going into the C-5M.  Mind you, I had considered an upgraded C-141B using 4XCFM56 engines and with a mod forward of the refueling receptacle to add a probe allowing use of any tanker aircraft out there.

Good suggestion.
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Offline apophenia

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #714 on: January 16, 2013, 06:34:43 AM »
Thanks folks. More to come from Airbus Rus ...  ;)

... I had considered an upgraded C-141B using 4XCFM56 engines and with a mod forward of the refueling receptacle to add a probe allowing use of any tanker aircraft out there.

The USAF does seem to be unwaveringly hostile to anything but flying booms. Maybe this probed aircraft belongs to US SOFCOM?  >:D
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #715 on: January 17, 2013, 11:11:04 AM »
More on the Airbus Rus scenario ...

The first 'new build' AR760 series airlifter was the AR765 Atlas which which grafted the FBW cockpit of the Airbus A310 onto the AR760 fuselage. The opportunity was also taken to reduce flightcrew to two (+ loadmasters) and slightly lengthen the cargo hold.

The AR765 Atlas was aimed at both the western markets -- both military and civilian heavy lift cargo carriers. The prototype (RA-765001) was flown with GE CF6-50 engines. But, prior to this, the cockpit arrangement had been tested on a Il-76TD 'mule', the AR76x-04A (inset).
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #716 on: January 17, 2013, 07:13:43 PM »
That's looking awesome!

I always thought the Il-76 glass nose was anachronistic, this is definitely a good fix for that.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #717 on: January 18, 2013, 12:25:09 AM »
Soooo cool!  8)
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #718 on: January 18, 2013, 06:06:10 AM »
Thanks folks!

I always thought the Il-76 glass nose was anachronistic, this is definitely a good fix for that.

Cheers 'north. Apparently the RW Il-476 for the RuAF still has a five-man flight deck! In really rough-field conditions, that lower glazing can be practical (I recall a video of a leased Il-76 -- supplying Cap Nord in Greenland -- where the nav is talking the pilots down to ground level. The view from the nav station was astonishing).

But, that glass nose "ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow" in the West. So, in goes the Airbus glass cockpit. I'm imagining unassembled A310 nose frames and skins being shipped from Aerospatiale Matra's Méaulte plant to Aviastar Ulyanovsk (or maybe initially Tashkent). There, the nose from front bulkhead to cockpit rear would be assembled with a new aft-of-cockpit section ultimately conforming to the size and shape of the Il-76 fuselage.

More to come on Airbus Rus ...
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Offline Tophe

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #719 on: January 19, 2013, 01:03:14 AM »
Thanks folks. The following are likely the last of my belaboured Dewoitine musings ...
M.520TP
M.780
Belated congratulations. The notify tool failed to wake me up and come seeing and clapping my hands... :-*

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #720 on: January 19, 2013, 12:29:40 PM »
More on the Airbus Rus scenario ...

Airbus found several export customers for militarized versions of the AR765 Atlas. But a dedicated 'Atlas M' had also been planned specifically for military users. This variant was closer in origin to the original IL-76 concept being a four-engined airlifter with a rough field capability (albeit now with Western systems and CFM56 engines).

The first order for the Atlas M came from Canada. This was a temporary lease arrangement for four AR764 models. These were AR764 models converted from used IL-76TDs. Designated CC-176A Alquonquins by the Canadian Forces, these tanker transports equipped 435 Squadron based at CFB Edmonton.

Canada's leased AR764s were phased out as new-build AR768s arrived. These were designated CC-176B and equipped both 435 Sqn in Edmonton (as dedicated strategic transports) and 402 Sqn in Winnipeg (and tanker-transports).

The first air force to order the AR768 was the RAAF (which had a chance at a close-up look at the CC-176A during the INTERFET deployment to East Timor). Australian orders were placed for six AR768s in 2002. By Nov 2004, the first AR768 Paipans (Ibis) were re-equipping No 35  Squadron.
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Offline Logan Hartke

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #721 on: January 19, 2013, 12:43:57 PM »
Not too far from your Modest Proposal many years ago.

Cheers,

Logan

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #722 on: January 19, 2013, 02:59:22 PM »
 :)
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #723 on: January 19, 2013, 06:07:00 PM »
SNCAM M.520TP  8) :-*   and SNCAM (Midi) M.780  8) :-*
Those would be sweet in styrene parked on flightline.

Offline JP Vieira

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #724 on: January 19, 2013, 07:22:51 PM »
Plentiful of great ideas