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Offline Logan Hartke

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #350 on: May 09, 2012, 12:04:17 PM »
It definitely has a different look this way.  Not bad, though.

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #351 on: May 09, 2012, 12:12:11 PM »
Yep, portly curves and odd facets. Nobody would ever call the Ba.65 a beauty  ;D
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #352 on: May 09, 2012, 12:18:22 PM »
For whatever reason, I-FORT there just screams "Luigi" at me...
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #353 on: May 10, 2012, 11:21:56 AM »
There were two 'Marittima' derivatives of the Breda Ba.65 for the Regia Marina. The first was the Ba.65 Catapultabile intended for launch from the 'catapulte Gagnotto' aboard RN Giuseppe Miraglia. Tests were successful but a policy decision dictated floatplanes and escort fighters only for this tender.

The second maritime Breda was the Ba.65 ISP shipboard divebomber. This type introduced the more powerful Piaggio P.XI RC.40 radial engine. Some airframe strengthening was also required to meet the ISP's intended role as shipboard divebomber (bombardiere da picchiata). No divebrakes were fitted the Ba.65 ISP was to lower its landing gear and use the undercarriage fairings to slow its dive.

Work had been ordered on the aircraft carrier RN Sparviero (the liner Augustus rebuilt) in late 1938. Sparviero was to be a least-mod conversion replacing 1932 plans for a keel-up carrier and filling in until the more extensively modified liner Roma could be delivered as the carrier Aquila.

Despite its limitations are a divebomber, all 'Serie 0' Ba.65 ISPs were embarked for the maiden voyage of the RN Sparviero. However, as is well know, Sparviero was sunk by torpedos from a British submarine, HMS Proteus, in the Gulf of Taranto on the night of 21/22 March 1942. All Ba.65 ISPs and Re.2000 CIs aboard were lost when the Sparviero went down.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #354 on: May 10, 2012, 11:24:58 AM »
What do these ones scream Litvyak?  ;D

Oh, BTW, I've mounted another CAC Twin Mustang (this time, a torpedo carrier) in AGRA's 'Opportunity Cost' story thread: http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1329.msg17612#msg17612
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #355 on: May 11, 2012, 03:00:56 AM »
Me thinks I just got an excuse to buy a kit!!!
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #356 on: May 11, 2012, 03:12:04 AM »
What do these ones scream Litvyak?  ;D

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #357 on: May 11, 2012, 08:21:28 PM »
Lovely Bredas! The ISP looks much better without that anachronistic canopy framing.

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #358 on: May 12, 2012, 09:49:12 AM »
Thanks! EH: yes, worst ever canopy ... the open-cockpit Ba.64 looks svelte by comparison! As you could probably tell, I pinched the new canopy (along with the new cowling and prop) from a passing Re.2000  ;)

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #359 on: May 12, 2012, 09:56:59 AM »
The Breda Ba.265 was an attempt to evolve the Ba.65 series into a twin-engined attack aircraft. Marketed as La Volpe, Breda saw the Ba.265 as a smaller companion to the new Ba.88 Lince. Unfortunately, the Ministerio del Aire preferred the Savoia-Marchetti SM.85 for the Regia Aeronautica.

The SM.85 used fewer strategic materials in its construction and its Piaggio radials were more reliable than La Volpe's twin Isotta Fraschini Delta R.C.35 I-DS (the SM.85 was also stressed to act as a divebomber). Breda sought permission to export the Ba.265 but this was denied until defects had been eliminated from the trouble-prone Ba.88 series.
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Offline Logan Hartke

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #360 on: May 12, 2012, 10:56:13 AM »
That's VERY neat looking.

Cheers,

Logan

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #361 on: May 12, 2012, 11:51:53 AM »
yes, nice - obviously Caproni had a hand in it too !

Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #362 on: May 12, 2012, 10:06:06 PM »
Nice!!

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #363 on: May 13, 2012, 03:11:59 AM »
Griffon-powered Mustangs came up elsewhere. So, here is the P-51G ...
The North American XP-51G were converted XP-51Fs with British Merlin 145Ms driving 5-bladed propellers. In November 1944, the second XP-51G
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #364 on: May 13, 2012, 06:33:56 AM »
yes, nice - obviously Caproni had a hand in it too !

Yep, the nose glazing was inspired by the Ca.311 and the cowling pinched directly from the Ca.313 prototype  ;)  And here's another Caproni-inspired Breda development ...

The Ba.64 Idro was intended as a replacement for the IMAM Ro.43 maritime reconnaissance biplane. The Ba.64I prototype was tested at the Regia Aeronautica's Centro Sperimentale at Guidonia but was found wanting.

Guidonia staff concluded that the Ba.64I's floats were disporportionately large while their cantilever mounting struts were too short (resulting in the propeller tips hitting the tops of waves in choppy water). Breda recommended a redesign of the float gear and substitution of the metal-skinned Ba.65 airframe. This proposal was rejected by the Ministerio del Aire.

The prototype Ba.65I was transferred from the Centro Sperimentale to the 3a Squadriglia of the Scuola Osservazione Marittima at Orbetello before being passed on to the RA's Scuola Idrovolanti at Portorose. The sole Ba.65I ended its days as an instructional airframe.
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Offline Daryl J.

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #365 on: May 13, 2012, 06:36:23 AM »
That's first rate!   :)
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #366 on: May 13, 2012, 06:45:40 AM »
Cheers Daryl. I like the off-beat look of a lot of Breda designs but, to make a whif plausible, the outcome has to be a bit of a dog  ;)
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #367 on: May 13, 2012, 09:01:28 AM »
In 1938, the Ministerio del Aire rejected Breda's proposal for a Ba.65 floatplane derivative and denied export permission. Nonetheless, design work on a Ba.65 floatplane continued in secret at the Milan factory. The result was the Ba.65 Idro concept which incorporated the tail surfaces of the Breda's twin-engined Ba.88 Lince.

In theory, the Ba.65 Idro was to replace the unsatisfactory Ba.64I prototype. In reality, the Ba.65 Idro represented part of Breda's export ambitions for the Ba.65 and Ba.88 series. The Ba.65 Idro was to be offered with the same range of engines as other Ba.65s but an advanced version would feature the 1,000 hp Piaggio P.XI RC.40 radial from the Ba.88.

Rather than submit the Ba.65 Idro to the Regia Aeronautica, Breda hope to gain permission from the Ministerio del Aire to enter the design in a Danish 2-seat floatplane competiton. The Ba.65 Idro (Dan) would be offered with 900 hp Isotta-Fraschini K 14s and open rear gun position or 1,000 hp Piaggio P.XI with an enclosed Breda M turret for rear defence.

In the end, the Ministerio del Aire again denied export permission and insisted upon Breda focusing on correcting defects in the Ba.88 design for the Regia Aeronautica. As a result, Breda plans for float versions of the Ba.65 and Ba.88 never got past the drawing board.
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Offline Tophe

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #368 on: May 18, 2012, 12:59:02 AM »
Griffon-powered Mustangs came up elsewhere. So, here is the P-51G ...
The North American XP-51G were converted XP-51Fs with British Merlin 145Ms driving 5-bladed propellers. In November 1944, the second XP-51G
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Offline apophenia

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #369 on: May 19, 2012, 10:11:00 AM »
Thanks Tophe. Love your P-51GB -- I guess the P-51BG would have to radial-engined and have the cockpit moved back to the base of the fin  ;D
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Offline Tophe

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #370 on: May 19, 2012, 01:05:20 PM »
Thanks Tophe. Love your P-51GB -- I guess the P-51BG would have to radial-engined and have the cockpit moved back to the base of the fin  ;D
Thanks Apophenia, I love your idea.

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #371 on: May 20, 2012, 05:50:35 AM »
He he, love it Tophe! And the belly fairing is now for the turbocharger  :)
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Red Australia
« Reply #372 on: June 04, 2012, 06:16:11 AM »
Somebody was working on a Red Australia, prompting me to post a pair of oldies.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #373 on: June 04, 2012, 06:46:09 AM »
Me likey !!!

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Offline Tophe

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #374 on: June 04, 2012, 10:27:08 AM »
Oldies? I did not remember these ones, thanks for posting! :-*