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Tigercat & Tiger Force?
« on: May 11, 2013, 02:01:31 AM »
Been playing with the idea of an inline AF Tigercat for a while and this group build might actually see it done!


Grumman P-65F (BTO) Tigercat by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

The Bomb-Through-Overcast nose and auxiliary jet just sort of added themselves as I went along!

Edit: Sorry about the ghost effect! Hopefully this is a little better? The more-or-less finished line art.



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Re: Grumman Tigercat USAAF
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2013, 03:21:23 AM »
Interesting...
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Re: Grumman Tigercat USAAF
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2013, 05:17:47 AM »
 And its a stealth ship, too! ( The lines are really, really faint, EH - I can make out the shape, but its
 a bit hard on the eyes,mate!)

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Re: Grumman Tigercat USAAF
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2013, 08:22:33 AM »
Just sort of added themselves huh?  ;D  Can't wait to see some war paint man  :)

What engines are those?  Merlins?
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Re: Grumman Tigercat USAAF
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2013, 10:43:22 PM »
Sorry Dr. YoKai, hopefully that's been fixed!

Cliffy B, yep Packard Merlins. The cowling is something of a cross between a F-82 and a Lancaster!

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Re: Grumman Tigercat USAAF
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2013, 12:51:10 AM »
I love the engines. :-*

Can you repeat it with the original nice nose and darker lines?

Re: Grumman Tigercat USAAF
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2013, 05:18:55 AM »
Progress! Shadows, canopy, etc. more or less done (no doubt tweeks will be necessary). Weathering is way up to show it off btw. Trying something new with a "primer" layer. War paint coming up next.


Grumman P-65F (BTO) Tigercat Primer by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

FYI the pic that shows in the forums is just a preview not the real thing. Click on the pic to go to Flickr, once there right-click the image to get different size options. Go for the "Large 1600" or "Large 2048" options to see her properly!  :)

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Re: Grumman Tigercat USAAF
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2013, 05:21:41 AM »
Wait a minute!  Is that a jet engine at the rear? ???
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Re: Grumman Tigercat USAAF
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2013, 05:23:52 AM »
BTW, my recommendation (freely ignore if you wish):  Do it as a recon bird in the blue scheme some of the USAAF Spits, Mosquitos etc wore.
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Re: Grumman Tigercat USAAF
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2013, 05:25:35 AM »
^ Westinghouse J30 for a Kinder Egg moment when they get bounced by enemy fighters.  ;)

I'll defo do a PR Blue one but the first one's scheme is already decided upon.

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Re: Grumman Tigercat USAAF
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2013, 05:28:57 AM »
^ Westinghouse J30 for a Kinder Egg moment when they get bounced by enemy fighters.  ;)

You cheeky bugger!  I bet you thought you were going to be able to simply sneak that by us... :) ;D
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Re: Grumman Tigercat USAAF
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2013, 05:44:30 AM »
Curses!!! Foiled again!!!

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Re: Grumman Tigercat USAAF
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2013, 06:55:25 AM »
Wait a minute!  Is that a jet engine at the rear? ???

Greg did you read the first post?  ;)

Looks like a target tug or other utility aircraft.  Postwar schemes in the future maybe *hint, hint* ?

From the line drawing I thought more of the nose would be glass?  What exactly does the guy do up there?  ???
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Re: Grumman Tigercat USAAF
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2013, 06:16:51 PM »
Oh that's just the template I'll be using. I put it into a yellow-chromate primer type scheme so that the weathering and shadows had something to play off of. My first paint scheme looks a little more like this....


Grumman P-65F (BTO) Tigercat FSAAF WIP by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

Not quite complete yet but getting there.

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From the line drawing I thought more of the nose would be glass?  What exactly does the guy do up there?


It's a H2X Bomb-Through-Overcast radar (off of a P-38). She's an all-weather-ish pathfinder for her gun-nose sisters. The window is a bone thrown to the rather unlucky operator. More here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H2X_radar
http://www.486th.org/Photos/AC2/MkySet.htm

Now you may recall that I have a penchant for orange so to get it into this profile I figured I'd make it a Free South African Air Force unit attached to the USAAF. How did South Africa fall? Well if Versailles were a little kinder, perhaps Germany could have held onto these......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_East_Africa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_South-West_Africa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_New_Guinea                  <--------------- this one not really relevant here but very interesting!
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Re: Tigercat & Tiger Force?
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2013, 01:50:35 AM »
OK pretty much done....


Grumman P-65F (BTO) Tigercat FSAAF by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

Also a little something else I've been working on....


Vickers Windsor B.II by mtpalmer1, on Flickr
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Re: Tigercat & Tiger Force?
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2013, 02:25:28 AM »
Dude ... !!!   That HURTS my eyes ... !!!!!!
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Re: Tigercat & Tiger Force?
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2013, 06:44:16 AM »
Erk! I really dig the Windsor...textra turrets are one thing but...ow. ow. ow.

No offence, amigo - the Tigercat came out beautiful!

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Re: Tigercat & Tiger Force?
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2013, 09:31:53 AM »
Your P-65F is gorgeous!  :-*  Looking forward to the Windsor too  :)
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Re: Tigercat & Tiger Force?
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2013, 08:14:12 AM »
Awwww come on! It's not that bad!!!!!


Vickers Windsor B.II RAF Tiger Force 635 Sqn by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

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Re: Tigercat & Tiger Force?
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2013, 08:21:26 AM »
Two words sir, Exhaust Suppression!!!!  If she's a dedicated night time bird then those snazzy little exhaust flames might as well be searchlights.  Not trying to rain on your parade, just saying  ;)

What kinda gunnery is she carrying?  Is that an over-under tail gun arrangement?  If so then is that another sticking out of the back of the engine housing???!!!  :o

She's weird looking, ungainly, and just plain odd, but I like it!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Tigercat & Tiger Force?
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2013, 08:35:36 AM »
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Is that an over-under tail gun arrangement?  If so then is that another sticking out of the back of the engine housing???!!!


4 20mm guns in remote-controlled barbettes in rear of outer engine nacelles, see:

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Visschedijk/Additions/11549L-1.jpg
http://crimso.msk.ru/Images6/MY/MY76-10/21-1.jpg

FYI the throttles have just been pushed up as she hits the IP. Or something. The flames were just something I wanted to have a go at. She's too high for effective flak and there probably aren't too many nightfighters in the CBI theatre c1946.
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Re: Tigercat & Tiger Force?
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2013, 08:45:44 AM »
Those are some NEAT gun installations!!!  I'll have to make a note of those  8)

I figured as much about the flames.  I was just busting your chops about 'em man, no worries  ;D
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Re: Tigercat & Tiger Force?
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2013, 08:56:00 AM »
Oh I know, I was just sort of self rationalising. Wanted to sound more intelligent than "me like pretty lights"! To be honest, with 7 20mm cannon to play with, being intercepted by a Ki-102 or the like isn't really going to ruin the night!  >:D

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Re: Tigercat & Tiger Force?
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2013, 09:51:55 AM »
Depends on whose night you're talking about.  Being on the receiving end of 7 20mm will ruin just about anyone's night  ;D
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Re: Tigercat & Tiger Force?
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2013, 10:38:59 AM »
And the exhaust glare will be really hard to spot once those seven 20s light up!

Nice work on the Windsor, EH  :)
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