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Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« on: December 28, 2011, 03:40:09 AM »
Hi folks,

A thread for your Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration:

 Here's a "Jagd Centurion" to start:



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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2011, 03:59:37 AM »
The Centurion Tank had a good reputation.  What if the US Army acquired some, even for evaluation?

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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2011, 04:09:23 AM »
We've all heard about IFV designs that involved reversing the front and rear of a Centurion tank.

Do people remember that a prototype of Merkava was built out of the same idea?

Of course my favourite what-if is still the possibility of a TTD-derived Olifant turret with a 120mm gun and Leopard-2A5-derived addon armour package, placed on a Sho't-standard hull (and then clad in Canadian Forces camo  :D).
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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2011, 07:09:17 AM »
The King Abdullah II Design and Development Bureau (KADDB) has done some interesting Centurion variants too:

Falcon turret:





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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2011, 07:11:18 AM »
I did profiles of the Cent back in the day, including SPAAG & SPG variants.

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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2011, 07:43:24 AM »
The Centurion Tank had a good reputation.  What if the US Army acquired some, even for evaluation?

Most people don't realize it, but the US actually bought most of the Centurions in use by NATO.  If you read Simon Dunstan's books on the Centurion, you get the impression that had US money not been behind the purchases, the Centurion would never have become the legend that it is.

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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2011, 10:45:46 AM »
Oh, those crazy Israelis... :D

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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2011, 09:48:02 AM »
The Centurion Tank had a good reputation.  What if the US Army acquired some, even for evaluation?


Most people don't realize it, but the US actually bought most of the Centurions in use by NATO.  If you read Simon Dunstan's books on the Centurion, you get the impression that had US money not been behind the purchases, the Centurion would never have become the legend that it is.

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True - I would still like to see a centurion in a scheme similar to this though:


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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2011, 11:16:12 AM »




Done!  Next request.  Seriously, though, they basically wore a US scheme in Korea.

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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2011, 12:01:25 PM »
 :slow: :yarr:

Um, let me think... :on-fire:

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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2011, 09:30:46 PM »
Whilst the US stars were added to Commonwealth vehicles in Korea for ID purposes, I'd suggest the scheme would be the standard British Army Bronze Green rather than one of the US Army's Olive Drab/Greens.  In addition, the vehicles had British registrations and the like which were different to the US vehicles.

On the subject though, it's always a case of US stars being added to a Commonwealth vehicle or aircraft for ID purposes.  One rarely, if ever, hears of British markings being added to US aircraft for the same purpose.

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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2011, 12:05:36 AM »
Perhaps a trade-off with a license produced Centurion armed with the 90mm gun from the M26 Pershing?  That would certainly be an interesting subject. 
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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2011, 12:54:12 AM »
On the subject though, it's always a case of US stars being added to a Commonwealth vehicle or aircraft for ID purposes.  One rarely, if ever, hears of British markings being added to US aircraft for the same purpose.

Wha??  Sorry, John, maybe you're just a bit absent-minded today, but I'd very much disagree with this.  Remember almost all US aircraft in the MTO in 1942-43 having the British fin flash?  Heck, all the USAAF aircraft in Europe throughout the war had RAF-style aircraft codes, adopted purely for Commonwealth identification purposes.

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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2011, 02:02:57 AM »
A quick-and-dirty trial :D
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Re: Centurion Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2011, 02:09:05 AM »

On the subject though, it's always a case of US stars being added to a Commonwealth vehicle or aircraft for ID purposes.  One rarely, if ever, hears of British markings being added to US aircraft for the same purpose.


Apart from the examples Logan has given, one needs to remember the sizes of contributions from the various countries.  Looking at Korea for example we see the following approximate force sizes during the war:

    South Korea 600,000
    United States 302,000
    United Kingdom 14,200
    Canada 6,150
    Turkey 5,460
    Australia 2,280
    Philippines 1,500
    New Zealand 1,390
    Thailand 1,290
    Ethiopian Empire 1,270
    Kingdom of Greece 1,260
    France 1,120
    Colombia 1,070
    Belgium 900
    Netherlands 820
    Union of South Africa 300
    Sweden 170
    Norway 105
    Denmark 100
    Italy 72
    India 70
    Luxembourg 44

With the USA providing by far the biggest foreign contribution, and also the largest hardware, it makes sense from a recognition pov to use the USA markings as a way of ensuring friendly fire is minimised.

I suppose an alternative could have been for the foreign forces to use some sort of "UN" markings, but alas I don't think that happened then...mind you it could be the basis for some sort of whiff.
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Anyway, let's get back to Centurion Tank discussions.

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Greg

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