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Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #575 on: November 08, 2013, 03:36:05 PM »
Very nice indeed! :)

Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #576 on: November 08, 2013, 07:43:19 PM »
Thank you kindly.

Logan, I have a real soft spot for the Lancer. I did a couple 2 years ago, I may have to revisit it sometime. The recce variant you have there is making me think of a PR Blue one. A service ceiling of nearly 36000ft isn't bad all things considered.

Tophe, sorry I should have pointed out that the profile stemmed from an interesting discussion about CAC license building something other than the North American NA-16. Both elmayerle and Logan suggested the Seversky P-35 and I couldn't resist. The discussion can be found here:

http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=3721.0

So my CAC-10 'Murungal' (the aboriginal word for Thunder I hope) is a license built P-35/AT-12 hybrid with a few tweaks such as larger wheels for improved rough field performance.

The CAC-10 Wirraway was apparently a dive-bombing variant, so maybe the Murungal could use it's bulky landing gear as a form of airbrake?

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Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #577 on: November 08, 2013, 08:06:13 PM »
CA-10 is a class act in that scheme  :)
Looks like it should be in a movie  8)

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Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #578 on: November 09, 2013, 02:39:52 AM »
The CAC-10 Wirraway was apparently a dive-bombing variant, so maybe the Murungal could use it's bulky landing gear as a form of airbrake?
Those big front doors on the main landing gear would likely do well as air brakes.  I could see a variant based on the float-equipped Seversky's as a scout aircraft for the RAN, too.  Beautiful job and I can't wait to see how this design evolves in Asutralia; whether it stays a comparatively small fighter like the P-35/XP-41/P-43 series (or the seimilar series that starts with the Re.2000 in Italy) or grows like the P-47 and its developments

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Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #579 on: November 09, 2013, 05:56:56 AM »
I love the Seversky line and your CA-10 Murungal is fabulous!
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Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #580 on: November 10, 2013, 05:02:07 AM »
Thanks all!

OK, couldn't resist a continuation of the CAC/Seversky concept.

If we assume that CAC continue to develop their aircraft roughly as historical but with the P-35 starting point rather than the NA-16 and that after initial set-up they receive no further support from Seversky/Republic (say they are much too busy getting the P-47 out the door), then the ultimate Australian interpretation of the Seversky concept would surely be.......


CAC CA-15 Kangaroo RAAF 76 Sqn by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

(Reggiane Re.2003 meets the initial (R-2800) CA-15.....)

Any good?

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Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #581 on: November 10, 2013, 08:52:06 AM »
 :)
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Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #582 on: November 10, 2013, 11:08:30 AM »
Now, THAT is most gorgeous.  Would they also look, later, at a Centaurus-powered version with a five-bladed prop?

Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #583 on: November 10, 2013, 06:55:14 PM »
Thanks guys!

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a Centaurus-powered version with a five-bladed prop


Interesting! I can certainly look into that!

A brief diversion into P-43 Lancers if I may......

In 1942, Paraguay, owing to it's significant German community, elected to join the Axis. In response, a number of South American countries joined the Allies, including Bolivia, thus plunging the continent into war.

The FAB received mostly second-line equipment from the US but used it to good effect. In particular, the Republic P-43A Lancer would prove a very useful combatant. More than a match for Paraguay's outdated Arados and Heinkels, the "Lanzar" could even take on a Bf-109 in the right hands.



Republic P-43A Lancer FAB by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

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Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #584 on: November 10, 2013, 07:10:36 PM »
The P-43 is top!

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Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #586 on: November 11, 2013, 03:06:08 AM »
Beautiful malcolm-hooded Lancer and I loved the Centaurus test-bed; I could se the latter leading to a production version.

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Offline lauhof52

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Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #589 on: November 13, 2013, 06:14:20 PM »
The kangaroo is excellent!

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Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #590 on: November 14, 2013, 05:20:03 AM »
Yes, the Kangaroo Centaurus test-bed is gorgeous! Maybe later in the programme CAC stretched the rear fuselage?
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Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #591 on: November 14, 2013, 10:42:11 AM »
Belated congratulations for the bubble-top CA-15! :)

Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #592 on: November 15, 2013, 12:40:54 AM »
Thanks!

apophenia, I mocked up an aft fuselage stretch and didn't care for it. The stretch may make them better proportioned but they lose that Seversky touch I strived for. Sorry.

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Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #593 on: November 15, 2013, 02:22:28 AM »
Too true EH. I found the same effect playing with the P-35. The balance is there but, as you say, it loses some of that Seversky feel.
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Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #594 on: November 15, 2013, 08:29:11 PM »
Here's a quick mini profile. I saw over on Shipbucket (lots of gems over there) a submersible aircraft carrier with an "October class dive bomber" that instantly put in mind a slimline P-47. So......


Republic XP-49 Gale USAAF by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

I envision it as a low-cost lightweight-ish fighter in the vein of a XP-48/57/64/66 but utilising as many P-47 components (wings and empennage) as possible. Either a high-end R-1820 like the Curtiss SC-1 or a R-2000 (both similar outputs). Went with the name Gale as the end result is not hugely unlike a Ki-84 Hayate.

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Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #595 on: November 15, 2013, 09:48:34 PM »
Here's a quick mini profile. I saw over on Shipbucket (lots of gems over there) a submersible aircraft carrier with an "October class dive bomber" that instantly put in mind a slimline P-47. So......


Republic XP-49 Gale USAAF by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

I envision it as a low-cost lightweight-ish fighter in the vein of a XP-48/57/64/66 but utilising as many P-47 components (wings and empennage) as possible. Either a high-end R-1820 like the Curtiss SC-1 or a R-2000 (both similar outputs). Went with the name Gale as the end result is not hugely unlike a Ki-84 Hayate.


Mike:

Thanks for visualizing what a P-47would look like without the super changer intakes.

I hope to translate this into plastic one day.
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Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #596 on: December 05, 2013, 02:34:11 PM »
A quick one:


General Motors F2M-2 Wildcat USN Atlantic by mtpalmer1, on Flickr


I think I must've been elbow deep in V-507 layers when you posted this, because I don't remember it at all and I think this is absolutely lovely.  Fantastic profile!  I love the scheme and I love the Wildcat, so I think this is great.

I was fortunate enough to see Kermit Weeks' lovely FM-2 in this scheme last week.  It's a beautiful plane in fantastic condition.  If I recall, this is basically what the Wildcats that participated in the capture of the famous U-505 looked like.

Grumman FM-2 Demonstration Flight


Cheers,

Logan

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Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
« Reply #597 on: December 07, 2013, 09:10:26 PM »
Love the slimline P-47