Author Topic: Empty Handed's Profiles (Read 277561 times)

Empty Handed · « **Reply #350 on:** September 12, 2012, 11:19:56 PM »

The second pass at the G-83 was far closer to the XF10F-1 that we know and love. It had a conventional low horizontal tail that Corky believed would have resulted in a much more successful aircraft.

Grumman XF10F-1 Jaguar USN by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

The other drawing in the book is of the G-86, a J40 and Curtiss-Wright rocket engined interceptor. Due to it's similarity to the G-83 (II) above, it could naturally be made part of the XF10F family.

Grumman XF10F-2 Jaguar USN by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #351 on:** September 13, 2012, 02:08:37 AM »

Empty Handed · « **Reply #352 on:** October 20, 2012, 07:08:05 PM »

Over on secretprojects, its mentioned that Republic was interested in building the SNCASE Grognard for the B-57 competition.

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1506.msg12807.html#msg12807

So I thought it would be interesting to see what Kartveli would do with it. Presenting the Republic B-57A Veteran:

Republic B-57A Veteran USAF by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

raafif · « **Reply #353 on:** October 21, 2012, 03:57:12 AM »

that blue&white Jaguar looks nice !
A Lend-lease version for the RN too maybe ?

I like the top intake for the Republic B-57A Veteran USAF by mtpalmer1, on Flickr :) Include that on some of yours ?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #354 on:** October 21, 2012, 04:36:59 AM »

Wow!!!

Any chance of a SNCASE Grognard in this scheme:

Empty Handed · « **Reply #355 on:** October 21, 2012, 05:02:52 AM »

raafif, not sure if you're joking or not but I AM mtpalmer. "Empty Handed" - m-t Palm (er). Clever, no? (Whatdya mean no?!!)

Greg, I used the unbuilt SE-2418 Grognard variant from Cuny's book as a basis and my B-57 has very little of it left (mainly around the cockpit area). A Grognard would require a completely new drawing (7-8ish hours work for a full up profile). If you mean an Israeli "B-57" then cool although I will hold off until you've seen the B-57E (should be an hour or 2). It could be right up the IDF's alley!

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #356 on:** October 21, 2012, 05:05:48 AM »

I am happy with whatever you do - even something that looks a little Grognardish would be fine.

Empty Handed · « **Reply #357 on:** October 21, 2012, 09:39:08 AM »

^ Cool!

For the B-57E, I essentially wanted to transmogrify Republic's interpretation of the Grognard into something of a "deep Thunderchief". Did you know that ALL alternate universes have a Thunderchief? Yeah. It's Heisenberg's 105th Law.

Anyhoo, this was the result....

Republic B-57E Veteran USAF SEA Camouflage by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

Empty Handed · « **Reply #358 on:** October 21, 2012, 11:39:34 AM »

Republic B-57B Khayál IDF by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

Republic B-57B, called the Khayál locally, of the IDF.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #359 on:** October 21, 2012, 12:11:23 PM »

:). Thanks

dy031101 · « **Reply #360 on:** October 22, 2012, 07:07:35 AM »

The configuration...... makes me think of a seaplane derivative in the vein of Saro P.121 (scroll down a little more)......

apophenia · « **Reply #361 on:** October 22, 2012, 09:49:25 AM »

Nice! Love the 'E version :)

Empty Handed · « **Reply #362 on:** November 29, 2012, 07:54:32 AM »

Thanks all!

Boeing SB-1 USN VS-37 by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

The Boeing SB-1 Huntress was essentially a production Boeing Model 490. Here we see a VS-37 example.

apophenia · « **Reply #363 on:** November 29, 2012, 11:28:52 AM »

Nice! Does the SB-1 evolve from the XF8B-1?

lauhof52 · « **Reply #364 on:** November 29, 2012, 09:57:13 PM »

Very nice one!

JP Vieira · « **Reply #365 on:** November 30, 2012, 03:56:19 AM »

great one

Empty Handed · « **Reply #366 on:** November 30, 2012, 05:23:31 AM »

Thanks all!

Quote from: apophenia on November 29, 2012, 11:28:52 AM

Nice! Does the SB-1 evolve from the XF8B-1?

It's based on the Boeing 490 which can be found on page 3 in the following secretprojects thread. It can apparently be found in "Boeing XF8B Last of the Line" by Jared A. Zichek so I would guess it is indeed derived from the F8B.

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,584.30.html

Empty Handed · « **Reply #367 on:** November 30, 2012, 06:09:11 AM »

Northrop F-89F Scorpion USAF 27th FIS by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

Northrop F-89F Scorpion of 27th FIS.

Empty Handed · « **Reply #368 on:** November 30, 2012, 09:06:01 AM »

Boeing SB-1 MLD by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

Boeing SB-1 of the Marine-Luchtvaartdienst.

lauhof52 · « **Reply #369 on:** November 30, 2012, 04:37:51 PM »

Thanks Empty Handed for the Dutch SB-1. I love it.

regards
Lauhof

finsrin · « **Reply #370 on:** November 30, 2012, 04:41:34 PM »

F-89F

Empty Handed · « **Reply #371 on:** December 01, 2012, 04:47:28 AM »

Thanks!

In it's continuing quest to interdict the Ho Chi Minh trail under Operation Shed Light, the USAF purchased several surplus Boeing S-2Ds and outfitted them with a combined FLIR/LLLTV sensor and a bomb bay modified to serve as a cluster munitions dispenser. The result was the AS-2D Tropic Owl.

Boeing AS-2D USAF 'Shed Light' by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

Here an AS-2D, having expended it's weapons, releases flares to allow other assets to engage the target.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Shed_Light

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #372 on:** December 01, 2012, 06:05:22 AM »

apophenia · « **Reply #373 on:** December 01, 2012, 06:48:23 AM »

Ooo, the AS-2D looks deadly serious :) An upgrade with a slow-turning, multi-blade prop would be just the thing for stealthier night flying.

Empty Handed · « **Reply #374 on:** December 01, 2012, 07:06:38 AM »

Thanks.

Just FYI, I consider all SB/S-2s to come with a 4-bladed prop as standard (anything less and you are wasting a R-2800). I'm not too sure how to depict end on or near end on blades so I tend to make the whole thing a blur to depict a prop disc.

As for stealthiness, that's not what you bring an AS-2D to the party for!


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