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Australian 17pdr SP, tracked, Miru
« on: November 20, 2025, 10:44:16 AM »
This concept is not at all original (sorry Ken!) but it was my first experiment with Photoshop 2025. The backstory ...

After the end of WW2, the Australian Army began to standardise its fleet of M3 Grant (aka M3 Medium) tanks. This led to a focus on selecting the GM 6-71 twin diesel-powered M3A3 and M3A5 hulls in the best condition. [1] The best of these were issued to the Citizen Military Force (Reserve)'s 2nd Armoured Brigade. The more plentiful M3A5 hulls also formed the basis for Medium specialist variants. [2]

'Medium Specials' included the Medium Recovery (ARV) and three weapons carrier  variants - the 25pdr SP, tracked, Yeramba; the 4.2 in mortar carrier, tracked Tula; and the 17pdr SP, tracked, Miru. [3] The latter, aside from armament, was quite similar to the Yeramba conversion. However, the Miru tank destroyer had rather heavier frontal armour plating.

Image An unidentified Miru tank destroyer of the 24th Anti-Tank Regiment (SP) in support of the 2nd Armoured Brigade.

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[1] The key distinction between the two types were welded hulls for M3A3s and riveted hulls for the M3A5s.

[2] Project Gunyah ('shelter') planned for a range of Medium carrier types - including the Gunyah command post and Kangaroo personnel carrier - was not realised due to budgetary constraints. Likewise, the artillery's 4.5in SP, tracked, Boondi (throwing stick) was dropped for technical reasons.

[3] The armed specials were named for Aboriginal weapons. The yeramba and miru were both spear-thrower (akin to the better-known woomera). The tula is an adze forming part of a spear-thrower (and, somewhat gruesomely in this context, used for cutting up game). And the Boondi is a throwing stick.
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Re: Australian 17pdr SP, tracked, Miru
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2025, 12:01:24 PM »
Oh... please. Somebody do this.  :smiley:

After the Yeramba, the Grant Based SP 25Pounder, this actually makes quite a bit of sense for Local Pattern Build

But for a suitable base vehicle I probably would have been on this.

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Re: Australian 17pdr SP, tracked, Miru
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2025, 12:08:18 PM »
No reason to be sorry. The more the merrier!
The 17 pounder on that chassis is quite an upgrade. I like it!
You could really go to town on the different types you mentioned. The ARV would be awesome.

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Re: Australian 17pdr SP, tracked, Miru
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2025, 12:25:56 AM »
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Re: Australian 17pdr SP, tracked, Miru
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2025, 10:34:47 AM »
Thanks folks!

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After the Yeramba, the Grant Based SP 25Pounder, this actually makes quite a bit of sense for Local Pattern Build...

Yeah, the idea of an AT gun Yeramba analogue made sense to me within the perceived limits of the time. Probably, the simpler move would be to beg/borrow some Sherman Firefly Vs from Europe. But the same could be said for Sextons in lieu of Yerambas. And where would be the fun in that!?

Ken: For the recovery variant, I'm imagining something based on the original, wartime Grant ARV I. So, a serious winch in the former gun sponson and removable jib attachments on the hull front. The turret would be removed ... so none of the US M31's fake gun barrels, etc.

As for the other proposed variants, I am actually surprised that no RW postwar Kangaroo-style APCs emerged out of the 'left over' M3 Medium hulls.
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Re: Australian 17pdr SP, tracked, Miru
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2025, 06:51:01 AM »
Oh... please. Somebody do this.  :smiley:

After the Yeramba, the Grant Based SP 25Pounder, this actually makes quite a bit of sense for Local Pattern Build

But for a suitable base vehicle I probably would have been on this.

Very similar to my 17pdr SPAT, I guess, albeit based on the M3 as opposed to the M7 Priest…


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Re: Australian 17pdr SP, tracked, Miru
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2025, 01:35:52 AM »
 What about putting the 17 pdr on a Sentinel chassis?

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Re: Australian 17pdr SP, tracked, Miru
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2025, 04:29:11 AM »
What about putting the 17 pdr on a Sentinel chassis?

I got the impression he wants to make an up-cycled casemate design, the Australians managed to fit a 17pdr into the Sentinel turret tho, so a casemate version wouldn't be needed.   




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Re: Australian 17pdr SP, tracked, Miru
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2025, 12:55:48 AM »
What about putting the 17 pdr on a Sentinel chassis?

I got the impression he wants to make an up-cycled casemate design, the Australians managed to fit a 17pdr into the Sentinel turret tho, so a casemate version wouldn't be needed.   



 Might not be needed, but you could argue the same of the Sturmgeschütz series on the Mk III & IV chassis. Given that there wasn't a whole lot of tank busting to be done in the Pacific theater, the twin twenty-five pounder test rig that was used to test the recoil stresses on the turret in anticipation of mounting the 17 pdr might have been a better option.  ;)

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Re: Australian 17pdr SP, tracked, Miru
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2025, 05:38:59 AM »
Very similar to my 17pdr SPAT, I guess...

Very similar indeed! I even considered using that wavy-line demarcation on the 17pdr! That would've been spooky  :o

Mig Eater: Spot on about 'recycling' the available M3 hulls. The turreted Sherman Firefly would've probably been a better option ... but I wanted that Yeramba flavour  ;)
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