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Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« on: March 31, 2012, 12:34:40 AM »
According to a recent AINon-line.com report, the C-130XJ (X = Expandable) is Lockheed's response to the C-27 Spartan.  Click on html to view article, click on thumbnail to view larger image of the conceptual artwork. 

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Apparently the AINon-line informatoin was derived from this From Lockheed Martin announcement:
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Lockheed Martin launches new lower cost version of the proven C-130J Super Hercules

The Lockheed Martin C-130J Super Hercules is the most advanced airlifter ever built. The C‑130J combines the latest in aerospace technology with a proven, rugged airframe design.  The result is an aircraft that gives an operator more capability with greater operational efficiency than any other airlifter.

To meet the demands of the new economic environment, while still providing unmatched tactical airlift capability, Lockheed Martin has launched at the Singapore Airshow the C-130XJ.  The C‑130XJ, X referring to expandable, has at its heart the proven and highly successful C-130J program.

The C-130XJ is being offered across international markets to those operators that do not require all of enhanced capabilities inherent in C-130J.  As such, it will have a significantly lower price.  Despite this it will have growth capability, post delivery, in many mission areas.  The only exception will be those items that have to be part of the initial build such as the Enhanced Cargo Handling System.

The C-130XJ will be especially attractive in two main areas - the special mission market that utilize roll on/roll off mission packages and those countries or operators that primarily use their airlift aircraft for low threat air/land movement of troops and equipment

The C-130XJ has been carefully tailored to provide the very best the proven C-130J model has to offer in air/land movement of personnel and equipment and delivery of humanitarian relief and aero medical evacuation.  The C-130XJ retains all the provisions necessary to fully configure the aircraft for combat operations should the need arise.

The C-130XJ retains the current C-130J propulsion and avionics suite, and there are no changes to the current C-130J airframe design.  The primary airframe focus is on the short body C-130J, but the XJ solution could be offered for the C-130J-30 stretch version if requested.

The C-130XJ will be have the capability to fly the same full spectrum of missions that the C-130 has always flown  which includes compatibility with a wide range of roll-on/roll-off special mission packages that enable the aircraft to perform search and rescue, fire fighting, surveillance and reconnaissance, signals intelligence and close air support missions.

The C-130XJ design is established and is already generating interest and requests from around the world.


Other related links:

Wikipedia - Lockheed C-130
USAF Fact Sheet - C-130 Hercules
US Navy fact file - C-130 Hercules
C-130Hercules.net - C-130 images and forum
USAF Air Mobility Command Museum - C-130 Hercules
« Last Edit: March 31, 2012, 12:43:27 AM by Jeffry Fontaine »
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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2012, 12:38:49 AM »
Yanno, I really need to just slap Warp pods onto a herk and call it a day. That plane is never going to retire.

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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2012, 12:41:36 AM »
Nice. Canada will be looking for a new SAR bird. Makes for ease of maintenance and one-stop shopping for the flight crew.

The KC-390 is quite cool too:

http://www.jrlucariny.com/Site2008/embkc390/embkc390.html
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?199814-Embraer-s-KC390-to-fly-in-2014
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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2012, 12:45:11 AM »
One of my favorite C-130 images is this November 1963 image showing a USMC KC-130F aboard the USS Forrestal (CV-59) for compatibility testing for the proposed Super COD aircraft. 

Click thumbnail to view larger image.


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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2012, 05:10:02 AM »
I think this pic is really cool too:

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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2012, 05:12:43 AM »
Not so sure about the bit about "...Lockheed's response to the C-27 Spartan".  After all, originally (after the joint Lockheed Martin Alenia Tactical Transport Systems (LMATTS) partnership ended), Lockheed offered the basic C-130J for the same role.  Also given that one of the reasons for the recent USAF C-27J cancellation was that the C-130Js were already being used in that tactical transport role, there would be no need to develop a whole new response.  Rather, this is more Lockheed Martin squeezing more possible sales out of the old girl...especially for possible customers that don.t want to (or can't afford) new build C-130Js...not that that is a problem.

Similarly, the SC-130J is nothing new - I remember being briefed on this concept by Lockheed Martin back in the '90s when I was with P-3s in the RAAF (this was pre- P-8/BAMMS etc).  I am sure it was also mooted with earlier variants too.

Anyway, not that any of that really matters.  What is interesting (to me at least) is the new tail fin and winglets and nose proposed for the C-130NG announced at the same time as this.  Makes for a bit more of a modelling challenge if one is going for total accuracy.

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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2012, 06:21:10 AM »
Not so sure about the bit about "...Lockheed's response to the C-27 Spartan".  After all, originally (after the joint Lockheed Martin Alenia Tactical Transport Systems (LMATTS) partnership ended), Lockheed offered the basic C-130J for the same role.  Also given that one of the reasons for the recent USAF C-27J cancellation was that the C-130Js were already being used in that tactical transport role, there would be no need to develop a whole new response.  Rather, this is more Lockheed Martin squeezing more possible sales out of the old girl...especially for possible customers that don.t want to (or can't afford) new build C-130Js...not that that is a problem.

Similarly, the SC-130J is nothing new - I remember being briefed on this concept by Lockheed Martin back in the '90s when I was with P-3s in the RAAF (this was pre- P-8/BAMMS etc).  I am sure it was also mooted with earlier variants too.

Anyway, not that any of that really matters.  What is interesting (to me at least) is the new tail fin and winglets and nose proposed for the C-130NG announced at the same time as this.  Makes for a bit more of a modelling challenge if one is going for total accuracy.


I suppose I could have commented that it was Lockheeds "alternative" to the C-27 Spartan.  Either way, they are certainly trying to get some more sales out of the design.  Not that this is not a good thing, the Hercules design is practical and with the exception of the internal dimensions limiting the size of certain vehicles and loads it has done an excellent job so far at hauling things around the world. 

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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2012, 06:26:34 AM »
Well on the fuselage side, LM did propose the C-130XL a while back featuring a larger fuselage:

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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2012, 09:00:00 AM »
I got this from somewhere ---

What's interesting for me is that the standard C-130 has a hold width of 119.5", when I designed some drilling equipment which was mounted on a trailer, I was told to keep everything inside 120".  Half an inch difference I know, but that's what I was given to work on.
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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2012, 04:35:45 AM »
Some more real world C-130 proposals:



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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2012, 11:13:00 AM »
My rough jet C-130:

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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2012, 06:22:01 PM »
In 2009, the USAF (later followed my other Air Forces), decided that using manned crews for transport aircraft was a waste - the missions were fairly straight forward (Take off - Fly - Land) and highly trained crews could be better used elsewhere.  Most transport aircraft such as the existing C-17s etc were converted to be optionally manned.  The most radical change though was the QC-130H - these were already being refurbished so it was decided to save further weight by removing the unnecessary cockpit:



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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2012, 03:23:41 AM »
A plan for someday:  A STOVL/ESTOL C-130 based on a similar arrangement to that originally planned for the G.222:


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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2012, 03:39:00 AM »
Cool C-130 concepts.  Looks totally legitimate/normal with jets.

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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2012, 11:28:56 AM »
How about an even smaller version of the L-400 proposal? That would've given Lockheed a competitor to the Alenia G.222/C-27A.

BTW: In the modified Flight cutaway, I've made the L-400's new centre section narrower, and joined front and rear fuselage barrels with that centre section plonked on top. She'd have more tail than needed but I decided to leave those standard Herc surfaces for simplicity.
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