Author Topic: Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Winchester B.I/B.III - FINISHED - Pic's pg. 6 & 7  (Read 14360 times)

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I'm currently in the process of chopping up a Revell Lancaster B.I/B.III & a pair of Airfix Typhoon IBs to end up with a slightly smaller version of the Lancaster* powered by two Napier Sabres.

Photos when I've finished the primary, pre-build destruction/construction.

Power output:
Merlin XX = 1,250 hp each ( x 4 = 5,000 hp total)
Sabre II/V      = 2,200/2,600 hp each ( x 2 = 4,400/5,200 hp total)

[ Note: The Sabre V is a developed Sabre II ]



[*: Not really a Manchester, but close enough for me.]
« Last Edit: July 16, 2023, 02:56:32 PM by Old Wombat »
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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2023, 02:11:43 PM »
Here are the first photo's;

Outside fuselage & tops of wings;


Inside fuselage & undersides of wings;


Just to show that it does all go together;

(Wings are being held in place by a length of styrene rod for the pic.)


I'm still working on the first nacelle (it may take a while).


PS: The metallic thing is a 14cm ruler.
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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2023, 03:36:53 PM »
Oh yeah !!

Really interested to see how this evolves

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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2023, 02:01:19 AM »
Well the Napier Sabre was considered an alternative engine alongside the Centaurus for the Manchester so ...
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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2023, 02:49:00 AM »
Ooooh this one looks interesting ..........

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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2023, 02:54:04 AM »
A Man-ificent idea Guy!

It is a most Sa-perb concept.
Work in progress ::

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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2023, 06:47:53 AM »
Thank you, gents! :icon_alabanza:

The engine nacelles are proving to be a bit more problematic but I'm getting there! :smiley:


I was tossing up between Mancaster & Lanchester when I started this build but it's been swirling around in my head, & I've had the kits for it for several years, as the "Mancaster", so that's what it is.

I'm changing the designation to B.I/B.III because the B.I will be powered by the Sabre II, while the B.III will be powered by the Sabre V, with B.I's being converted to B.III standard as their engines wore out (if they wore out). Like the RR & Packard Merlins there's no real external difference between the Sabre II & Sabre V, the extra 400hp was achieved by improving the airflow through the engine & tweaking the design of the supercharger.

Like the Lancaster, the B.II is (Greg beat me to the punch on this) a Centaurus radial powered variant.


Again: Thank you for taking the time to look & comment! :icon_alabanza:
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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I/B.III
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2023, 10:09:40 AM »
Appreciate you getting us in at the start with photos.   Great concept.    :smiley:

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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I/B.III
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2023, 08:13:09 PM »
Thanks, Bill! :icon_alabanza:


No worries, mate! :smiley:
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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I/B.III
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2023, 11:04:19 PM »
Ooh! me likey dis . . .   :D   (even though I'm no great fan of the Sabre engine . . .)
If you wanted a 'Real Name', the Avro Ancaster would be valid . . .  ;)
Co-incidentally, I'm been doing something along similar lines, for a GB over on Mainly Military Modelling. I'll make a Post about it on here later.


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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I/B.III
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2023, 08:47:37 AM »
Excellent concept. And, as Greg said, a whif with plenty of RW street-cred  :smiley:

... If you wanted a 'Real Name', the Avro Ancaster would be valid ...

Nice Robin! I like this name  :smiley:
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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I/B.III
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2023, 09:08:28 AM »
Excellent concept. And, as Greg said, a whif with plenty of RW street-cred  :smiley:

... If you wanted a 'Real Name', the Avro Ancaster would be valid ...

Nice Robin! I like this name  :smiley:

Yes  :smiley:

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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I/B.III
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2023, 02:03:48 PM »
Thanks, guys! :icon_alabanza:

If you really want a real name I'd throw Lanchester back into the mix. ;)



PS: Of course, Mancaster is an olde variation on Manchester, anyway. :smiley:
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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I/B.III
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2023, 07:14:05 PM »
Nacelles are beginning to come together, shape-wise:





A couple of placement test photo's:





Still a lot of work to go. I'm going to try to get a few (other) sub-assemblies together, then throw some primer at it to see where I need to do any more PSR.
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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I/B.III
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2023, 07:20:14 PM »
They look nicely done.
At first glance, the look is almost the same as a Merlin.
Four bladed Prop ?
 

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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I/B.III
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2023, 07:40:17 PM »
They look nicely done.
At first glance, the look is almost the same as a Merlin.
Four bladed Prop ?

Thank you! :icon_alabanza:

Yes, that's part of the fun. ;)

Yup, from the Typhoons but with modified Lancaster spinners. :smiley:
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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I/B.III
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2023, 11:27:57 PM »
 Well, I'd stump for the original triple fin configuration, but that's just me.  ;)  As someone who has done a fair amount of epoxy putty fairing, the symmetry of the fillets on the nacelles is really good! This is going to be a great looking bird!

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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I/B.III
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2023, 11:57:42 PM »
Can see it coming that those with mediocre British bomber knowledge take this as the real deal.

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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I/B.III
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2023, 02:05:17 AM »
Off to a good start
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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I/B.III
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2023, 03:05:23 AM »
Thank you, gentlemen! :icon_alabanza:

Well, I'd stump for the original triple fin configuration, but that's just me.  ;) 

Whilst I have never liked that look, so we ain't goin' there. ;) :smiley:
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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I/B.III
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2023, 11:26:40 AM »
Just a quick update to let you know that things are still happening here but rather slowly - just some PSR happening on the nacelles, at the moment (the fuselage was almost perfect).

Once that's finished I'll have to look at restoring some of the detail lost to the "S" in PSR on both the nacelles & the fuselage.

Was looking at installing a full crew* & displaying it in flying mode but the 1/72 figures I have are all so differently scaled as to make the whole thing look ridiculous, so she'll be grounded but with the bomb bay doors inexplicably open.


[*: Full crew will be 6; pilot, navigator/RO, flight engineer, bomb aimer (bombardier), nose gunner & tail gunner.]
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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I/B.III
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2023, 11:34:33 AM »
PSR is fact of life like death & taxes only PSR is way better.

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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I/B.III
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2023, 12:57:33 PM »
Thanks for the reminder, Bill! Ain't it just! ::)

Haven't had much chance to do anything for the last couple of days but, this evening, I'm going to hunker down & get stuck into it! ;)
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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I/B.III
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2023, 11:33:44 PM »
Laid down some colours for the inside of the fuselage this evening.

Custom mix interior green (all Tamiya colours: Deep Green [XF-26], Sky [XF-21] & Sky Grey [XF-19] in a 5:4:4 ratio, which isn't quite as green as the real thing but close enough for me) & NATO Black [XF-69].

Nacelles & wings have had their final PSR session & will get a final primer coat tomorrow, then I'll have to do the re-scribing of the lost panel lines (my least favourite thing), which often ends in remedial PS sessions to fix f___-ups.


Oh, well. Onwards & upwards! :smiley:
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Re: Airvell 1/72 Avro Mancaster B.I/B.III
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2023, 07:12:49 AM »
@Guy - you missed your true calling as a metal banger/body and fender [un-]bender technician.  Great job on the blending of the engine cowlings with the original Lancaster nacelles. 
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